Atman wrote: 
Byrd is a sitting Senator and a KKK Grand Wizard, nothing ancient about that.  And yes you are right about LBJ's remark, the racists voted Democrat because the Democrats supported their position.  The racists were Democrats, what is so hard to understand about that.  Wasn't Wallace a Democrat ?  Your perception of the passing of time is faulty.  As I said, I can no longer take you or anyone who agrees with Carter's remark that all the opposition to Obama is purely racist.

Actually, by my education the parties have reversed positions 3 times since the Civil War and I said awhile ago, I think its happening again.  Bush stole the traditional Democrat fear factor of messing with Medicare and turned it around to get the senior vote.  For decades the Dems campaigned on beware the Repubs will gut your Medicare, vote Democrat, now the reverse is happening.  Bush was an Ivy League Socialist masquerading as a Republican(there I said socialist).  If you think he was a real Repub, then I have a bridge for sale.  He instituted more socialist corporate programs than even FDR.  Obama is just carrying on Bush's agenda.  Obama is Bush on steroids.  And you all thought McCain would be Bush 3.

I'm done for now, this racist is tired and going to bed.

We all see what we want to see.

 kurtster wrote: 
kurtster, you are a brave and persistent man.

dems call reps racists because it is an argument killer. nonsense of course but puts you on the back foot because you have to defend a ridiculous allegation.
oh, if you don't like obama, well you are a racist. if you want to defend the borders, well of course, you must be racist. it means you don't have to put forward a cogent argument just blurt out the
allegation..

if you don't agree 100% with obama, well come on you are a white hood wearing cross burning racist...prove you are not!

all those people with the hand made signs peacefully assembling last weekend... you guessed it; racists.

 kurtster wrote: 
So, good, we agree on the principle. Maybe this is a position that could cross belief lines. BTW, in the past it was the Republicans who vastly outspent Dems.

It seems like an intractable problem in the present set of political and corporate conditions, though.

I've thought we should have a cable station just for politics. Get the campaign ads off the regular airwaves. Media companies would never go for it, they are at a huge trough. Hell, ban all political advertising. Probably would require an amendment, given the corporate packing on the supreme court.

 kurtster wrote: 
Why are you so vehemently arguing this? Why are you so tied to this emotionally? Why does it offend you to call these people racists? Are you concerned that the Right are using a clenched fist to represent their beliefs? Kurt, I thought you were a Dem. What is up with you here?

 kurtster wrote: 
Not me! Where do you get this shit anyway?

 Atman wrote: 
Its been awhile since I have used the term socialism, refresh my memory.  I am not denying it, but have not used it for a while.  It hasn't been necessary.

Campaign finance reform ?  Yeah, several years ago, I proposed 100% public funding and X amount of free airtime for campaign adds for federal office.  Everyone gets the same amount, use it wisely.  That's an over simplification, but I want to take all private money out of federal campaigns.  Free airtime lowers the cost of campaigning significantly.  Obama, a freakin billion dollars, that's how he won.  McCain was a poor candidate, but a freakin billion dollars ?  This has gotten way out of hand.

 kurtster wrote: 
You really don't understand his remark. He said it because he knew that the racists in the south would no longer vote Democratic. And he was right. There's no racist statement there.

And your so passionate about your mistaken belief. Curious.

 kurtster wrote: 
To compare 19th century Dems and Repubs to today is to continue to perpetrate confusion. There is no relationship from then to now. I know the history. The parties have reversed their orientation since then. Do you not know that, or are you confusing things on purpose to try to be right or something? I don't understand why you would bring up something so...stupid.

 kurtster wrote: 
You are correct, I think that your misuse of the word socialism, belies racism, because you have been targeted and manipulated by the Health Care Profiteers, who know they can count on feeding you misinformation to purvey their lies, so they can keep doing what they are doing. Why else would you believe in and sell positions that are for corporate interests against your personal interest, or the interest of people like you, if not for discriminatory motivations?

Maybe you are the one exception, but a HUGE percentage of these rabid folks spouting words injected into their demented heads by the rabble rousers ARE racist.

I also think your stand against open borders and illegal immigration is xenophobic. Illegal immigration exists again because of the corporate interests that are served by a cheap labor force that has no rights.

You are for the rule of law? What about social justice. When tyrants make laws that enforce harm, the laws aren't necessarily good, and they need to be changed. Now, we can have a discussion about that, but I'm guessing we might disagree about what social justice is. For a long time. So, the rule of law? Sigh....

I agree with you that both sides of the aisle are guilty of being corporate whores. And whatever else you want to call them, I'll go along with. Why else would we be having any problem whatsoever getting bills passed where we have a 60 vote majority in the Senate and a 67% approval nationwide for the public option?

BTW, are you for campaign finance reform. Not that that will ever get voted on. Still.

You portray Carter as a coward? Gandhi and MLK were cowards too, I bet. These are all men who have a deep and profound interest in social justice to all peoples. Republicans, .

Beck himself quoted ABC as the source for his '2 million.' They say 70,000.

Not too many people of color, either.

And wasn't it LBJ who said,"We lost the south for a generation" when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Pretty M'fin racist remark, eh?

Proud heritage isn't it ?

And you Dems call everyone else racist ?

 hippiechick wrote: 
You Dems are obsessed with racism.  Its part of your history.  You can't deny it.  When Bush installed Rice and promoted Powell you called them token and unacceptable.  Bush had the most diverse cabinet ever at the time and he was derided for it again dismissed as tokinism.

Lincoln freed the slaves, and y'all shot him, get over it.

 kurtster wrote: 
It's absolutely true, and obvious to many of us since the election began.

Of course, anyone who lived through the Clinton presidency knows that the Right does not need a reason to lie, deny and cry as loud as anyone can about anyone who is not on their side. The Right is pissed because they are not in charge, and they are giving their anger and frustration content through Obama. Have you watched the demonstrations? They never talk about their legitimate concerns. Instead they talk about Obama taking their stuff away, being a Commie, being like Hitler...crazy stuff.

Joe Wilson was a protege of Strom Thurmond. He was one of the few who held out on not flying the rebel flag. He didn't have a hard time shouting out to the President, because he is a black man. It's a lot easier to call him a Communist than a nigger. These people are 21st century racists.

 Atman wrote: 
Ask Senator Byrd (D) of WVa, the only KKK Grand Wizard currently serving in Congress.  You want to talk about racism, the Democrats own racism, not the repubs.  The KKK was the Dems secret army founded during reconstruction to keep the blacks from voting Repub.  All the voter registration laws in the south were Democratic, again to keep the blacks from voting Repub.  Racism is real big business and the Dems own it.  It was the Dems who wondered out loud during the primaries if Obama was Black enough ?  If that isn't racist what is ? 

 Atman wrote: 
Lot of that happening lately.  Lot of dark side. 

I wish we were arguing over what's the best way to care for this or that underserved population... or arguing over creativity and beauty and generosity. 

Gotta keep putting our energy into the good things too.

 rosedraws wrote: 
The highlighted words are legendary code words for black people. Don't you know that? And you're right, classism conflates racism. O.J. is the best example I know of that. But racism is flaring anew, because so many culturally unsophisticated white folks cannot accept his presidency.

Drill a little deeper, ask some folks of color what's going on here. Do you have folks of color nearby you? They are very familiar with the history of this kind of thing, and Carter is an expert on it. He busted Georgia's refusal all the way back to reconstruction to value black votes the same as white votes, with lawsuits that went all the way to the Supreme Court. It changed Georgia permanently. These racists hate him for that as much as anything.

The article goes into depth not just of the American brand of racism, still as virulent as it ever was. It talks about the forces even in 'socialist' Europe that support social programs in ethnically homogenous populations, and the stresses on those as more ethnically diverse folks move into Europe.

It seems to be a human thing.

 Atman wrote: 
You called me a racist, plain and simple. You called me a racist by association, by agreeing with Carter's statement.  Carter, yeah runaway inflation 20% mortages, a coward in international affairs.  That's my belief and take on his presidency.

And if you are against open borders and illegal immigration, your a racist.  You infer that as well.  You infer an awful lot.  I am for the rule of law.  You want to talk about assholes ?  Well they graduated from Harvard and Yale, on both sides of the aisle.  We have had Ivy League Presidents and agendas since 1992 1988 and what has it gotten us ?  Take a look around.  R's and D's all assholes, only Democrat assholes are OK in your book.  We have been screwed by the Ivy League.  Both paties have been hijacked only you don't see it.  You only see people who disagree with you and Democrats as racist assholes.

And there were over a million there. Contact the National Park Service.

 kurtster wrote: 
Your statements are illogical. I am saying that racism underlies the activities of the far right wing. Especially the ill-informed irrational hatefulness, of which there is an overwhelming amount of evidence. And much evidence in many of the statements you have made. Particularly your use of the word socialism. None of the statements you have made follow logically from what I said. They are all of a kind. That is exactly the kind of social and political illiteracy that is discussed in the second post I just made.

It proves my point.

And your personal attacks?

That slam dunks my point.

Attacking Jimmy Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize Winner, shows an unwillingness to understand the historical context in which his presidency failed. Mainly that the hostage crisis was orchestrated by the same people that were outraged from the Nixon Watergate era and took over the Bush presidencies. 1970s oil economics=same people.

He's a great man. A great great man.

Compared to Bush, Cheney, Sarah Palin, Joe Wilson.

Oh, BTW, see any black or brown people at the Beck inspired 9-12er gathering? Out of 70,000, how many?

 Atman wrote: 
This article seems so off base to me.  While I believe racism still exists and needs to continue to be brought into the light, I think the people who call the opposing team "racists" are stirring up as much off-base trouble as those rude tea party folks.

Joe Wilson did not yell out because he is racist.  He yelled out because he mistrusts Obama because he is DEMOCRAT,  NOT because he's black.

I also don't think that people who are against social entitlement programs are racist.  Most of them think social program recipients are lazy and should work hard like they do to earn good things, not have them handed to them.  It's more ignorance than racism.  And more exactly, it's often classism and not racism.  ie,  the lower class does not deserve a good life  like the upper class does.

It just makes people upset to inaccurately throw accusations of racism.  Very unproductive to the very important issue at hand.

 dionysius wrote: 
OK. How about since 1952?