Sinéad O'Connor — Black Boys On Mopeds
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Margaret Thatcher on TV
Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing
It seems strange that she should be offended
The same orders are given by her
I've said this before now
You said I was childish and you'll say it now
"Remember what I told you
If they hated me they will hate you"
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill black boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's any such thing as grieving
Young mother down at Smithfield
5 am, looking for food for her kids
In her arms she holds three cold babies
And the first word that they learned was "please"
These are dangerous days
To say what you feel is to dig your own grave
"Remember what I told you
If you were of the world they would love you"
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill blacks boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's any such thing as grieving
Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing
It seems strange that she should be offended
The same orders are given by her
I've said this before now
You said I was childish and you'll say it now
"Remember what I told you
If they hated me they will hate you"
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill black boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's any such thing as grieving
Young mother down at Smithfield
5 am, looking for food for her kids
In her arms she holds three cold babies
And the first word that they learned was "please"
These are dangerous days
To say what you feel is to dig your own grave
"Remember what I told you
If you were of the world they would love you"
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill blacks boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's any such thing as grieving
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I find her a little depressing some times but she is powerful. And has a great voice. She also has a wonderful reggie album. Can we have some of that.
FABULOUS ARTIST GREAT SONG
fredriley wrote:
My mother shuddered every time anyone mentioned Thatcher.
DriftingDave wrote:
No, she compares the methods of the authoritarian and violent Thatcher regime to that of the Chinese totalitarian State which Thatcher so condemned at the time. The hypocrisy of Thatcher condemning the Tianenmen repression whilst her State killed folk on UK streets was plain then, and is still plain. Similarly her praising of the Polish trade unionists whilst actively carrying out a class war against UK trades unions, a war that still resonates today.
I remember the 80s well, bitterly and angrily. The Thatcher regime was highly destructive and corrupt, and she personally has the blood of over 3000 men on her hands from the Falklands/Malvinas War. Yes, many in the UK, mainly in the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois, supported her as she was a warrior for her class, and a successful one (albeit with very substantial US backing which she couldn't have done without), and they mourn her passing. I for one will be celebrating on the streets when she finally croaks, and major parts of the UK, especially ex-mining areas in Yorkshire, Wales, Northumbria and Scotland will be doing the same.
Hateful? Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word, i was just airing my disgust for the vulgar and ignorant lyrics; not surprisingly your comment is in the same spirit.
Sinead is comparing an accident during a police chase to the massacre on Tiananmen and that the death of the boy was more or less ordered by Thatcher, Even IF this is meant more as a symbolic picture to depict England during that time, she still equals Thatcher to the dictatorship of the communist party in China.
No, she compares the methods of the authoritarian and violent Thatcher regime to that of the Chinese totalitarian State which Thatcher so condemned at the time. The hypocrisy of Thatcher condemning the Tianenmen repression whilst her State killed folk on UK streets was plain then, and is still plain. Similarly her praising of the Polish trade unionists whilst actively carrying out a class war against UK trades unions, a war that still resonates today.
I remember the 80s well, bitterly and angrily. The Thatcher regime was highly destructive and corrupt, and she personally has the blood of over 3000 men on her hands from the Falklands/Malvinas War. Yes, many in the UK, mainly in the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois, supported her as she was a warrior for her class, and a successful one (albeit with very substantial US backing which she couldn't have done without), and they mourn her passing. I for one will be celebrating on the streets when she finally croaks, and major parts of the UK, especially ex-mining areas in Yorkshire, Wales, Northumbria and Scotland will be doing the same.
My mother shuddered every time anyone mentioned Thatcher.
What a depressing song... thank you for having ruined my dinner 
DriftingDave wrote:
No, she compares the methods of the authoritarian and violent Thatcher regime to that of the Chinese totalitarian State which Thatcher so condemned at the time. The hypocrisy of Thatcher condemning the Tianenmen repression whilst her State killed folk on UK streets was plain then, and is still plain. Similarly her praising of the Polish trade unionists whilst actively carrying out a class war against UK trades unions, a war that still resonates today.
I remember the 80s well, bitterly and angrily. The Thatcher regime was highly destructive and corrupt, and she personally has the blood of over 3000 men on her hands from the Falklands/Malvinas War. Yes, many in the UK, mainly in the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois, supported her as she was a warrior for her class, and a successful one (albeit with very substantial US backing which she couldn't have done without), and they mourn her passing. I for one will be celebrating on the streets when she finally croaks, and major parts of the UK, especially ex-mining areas in Yorkshire, Wales, Northumbria and Scotland will be doing the same.
Hateful? Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word, i was just airing my disgust for the vulgar and ignorant lyrics; not surprisingly your comment is in the same spirit.
Sinead is comparing an accident during a police chase to the massacre on Tiananmen and that the death of the boy was more or less ordered by Thatcher, Even IF this is meant more as a symbolic picture to depict England during that time, she still equals Thatcher to the dictatorship of the communist party in China.
No, she compares the methods of the authoritarian and violent Thatcher regime to that of the Chinese totalitarian State which Thatcher so condemned at the time. The hypocrisy of Thatcher condemning the Tianenmen repression whilst her State killed folk on UK streets was plain then, and is still plain. Similarly her praising of the Polish trade unionists whilst actively carrying out a class war against UK trades unions, a war that still resonates today.
I remember the 80s well, bitterly and angrily. The Thatcher regime was highly destructive and corrupt, and she personally has the blood of over 3000 men on her hands from the Falklands/Malvinas War. Yes, many in the UK, mainly in the bourgeois and petit-bourgeois, supported her as she was a warrior for her class, and a successful one (albeit with very substantial US backing which she couldn't have done without), and they mourn her passing. I for one will be celebrating on the streets when she finally croaks, and major parts of the UK, especially ex-mining areas in Yorkshire, Wales, Northumbria and Scotland will be doing the same.
So good, at the time I thought Sinead would be easily, as big as say, Madonna. She may not be as rich be is equally as talented.
bluedot wrote:
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
Hateful? Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word, i was just airing my disgust for the vulgar and ignorant lyrics; not surprisingly your comment is in the same spirit.
Sinead is comparing an accident during a police chase to the massacre on Tiananmen and that the death of the boy was more or less ordered by Thatcher, Even IF this is meant more as a symbolic picture to depict England during that time, she still equals Thatcher to the dictatorship of the communist party in China. It seems to me that your understanding of democracy isn't that solid. Furthermore; many people see Thatcher as the person who saved England in a time of economic downspiral and globally as the person who stood up for market economy and liberal democracy in a time when the so called second and third world was plagued by marxist-leninism, happily cheered on by (pseudo-)intellectuals in the west. One may have a different view than e.g. Thatcher on how a society should be organized but comparing an at the time democratic right-wing / conservative England to the world's biggest dictatorship, historically among the best in class on genocide, shows that, without a doubt, you are the ignorant here.
Stand up strong. And that is exactly what she does. Women are being arrested in Saudi Arabia for driving cars for goodness sake. The world can be a fucked up place. Her voice and songs are powerful reminders of that.
Sinead O'Connor, in this RP listener's opinion, has one of the best chick voices ever to be heard! Rock on Mandinka!
bobringer wrote:
Ah the tolerant left...
Seems the left in America is about as tolerant as well you'll be happy to hear.
You plainly don't understand UK recent history at all. The Thatcher regime carried out an active class war (sorry, "took on union might") and an active shooting war (Falklands/Malvinas). The former destroyed hundreds of working-class communities and caused immense social dislocation and poverty, the effects of which are still very evident in UK society and economy today; the latter cost the lives of over 2000 men and one woman. I know something about post-war US history so perhaps an equivalent hate figure from your past might be Nixon (with the blood of Cambodians and Vietnamese on his and Kissinger's hands), or maybe Herbert Hoover, your very own Lavrentii Beria. Or, as you're a rightist, perhaps the first Kennedy or even Slick Willy Clinton.
Tolerance does not apply to those with blood and social destruction on their hands. Hence yesterday's justified celebration in your parts over Bin Laden's killing. Thatcher was an avowed enemy of the UK working class, and there will be dancing on the streets when she eventually kicks the bucket.
Ah the tolerant left...
Seems the left in America is about as tolerant as well you'll be happy to hear.
You plainly don't understand UK recent history at all. The Thatcher regime carried out an active class war (sorry, "took on union might") and an active shooting war (Falklands/Malvinas). The former destroyed hundreds of working-class communities and caused immense social dislocation and poverty, the effects of which are still very evident in UK society and economy today; the latter cost the lives of over 2000 men and one woman. I know something about post-war US history so perhaps an equivalent hate figure from your past might be Nixon (with the blood of Cambodians and Vietnamese on his and Kissinger's hands), or maybe Herbert Hoover, your very own Lavrentii Beria. Or, as you're a rightist, perhaps the first Kennedy or even Slick Willy Clinton.
Tolerance does not apply to those with blood and social destruction on their hands. Hence yesterday's justified celebration in your parts over Bin Laden's killing. Thatcher was an avowed enemy of the UK working class, and there will be dancing on the streets when she eventually kicks the bucket.
MannAudioltd wrote:
Pretty harsh, but I'm a dork and don't really understand the whole world-politics concept. Here are some lyrics:
Margaret Thatcher on TV
Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing
It seems strange that she should be offended
The same orders are given by her
I have to say that I admire Ms. O'Connor for her candor, perception, and bravery in speaking out against injustice. I wish we had more people like her here in the U.S. Perhaps then this once-great country wouldn't be in the apathetic, complacent, uncaring state in which it currently wallows. I'm looking into moving to Denmark.
Stunning!
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
Pretty harsh, but I'm a dork and don't really understand the whole world-politics concept. Here are some lyrics:
Margaret Thatcher on TV
Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing
It seems strange that she should be offended
The same orders are given by her
I've said this before now
You said I was childish and you'll say it now
"Remember what I told you
If they hated me they will hate you"
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill black boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
Any such thing as grieving
Young mother down at Smithfield
5 am, looking for food for her kids
In her arms she holds three cold babies
And the first word that they learned was "please"
These are dangerous days
To say what you feel is to dig your own grave
"Remember what I told you
If you were of the world they would love you"
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill blacks boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
Any such thing as grieving.
I have to say that I admire Ms. O'Connor for her candor, perception, and bravery in speaking out against injustice. I wish we had more people like her here in the U.S. Perhaps then this once-great country wouldn't be in the apathetic, complacent, uncaring state in which it currently wallows. I'm looking into moving to Denmark.
bluedot wrote:
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant than calling leftist lyrics disgusting?
See the post two above yours for an example.
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant than calling leftist lyrics disgusting?
See the post two above yours for an example.
MannAudioltd wrote:
Ah the tolerant left...
Seems the left in America is about as tolerant as well you'll be happy to hear.
Stunning!
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
Ah the tolerant left...
Seems the left in America is about as tolerant as well you'll be happy to hear.
Stunning!
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
Love the hate for Thatcher - she should be dead now Thatcher not Sinead
I wish I could give this song a 12.
DriftingDave wrote:
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
A beautiful song but the vulgar leftist lyrics are just disgusting.
How much more wrong, hateful and ignorant could your statement be? OUCH!
A beautiful song but the vulgar leftist lyrics are just disgusting.
From a distance, but I can easily recall my feelings at the time as I read the news, I am with jools and fredriley on this one, and with Mr. MacManus who wrote:
campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously
in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
coming down on that child's lips
Tramp The Dirt Down
I saw a newspaper picture from the politicalcampaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously
in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
coming down on that child's lips
Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the Lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down
When England was the whore of the world
Margeret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
all she thought of was betrayal
And now the cynical ones say that it all ends
the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just
squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and
dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between
justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful
discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up
for punishment
And then expect you to say "Thank you"
straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you
haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
filled up with dreams then poured down
the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being
blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame
Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down
I hate to be a copycat but 
This is a superb album.
This is a superb album.
lysisphere wrote:
"Bonehead"? We use that on this side of the pond but it's meaning is not very heavy. Its like saying "blockhead" or "stupid," or if I may try one of yours, "daft." A kid could say it and wouldn't get slapped. I'll bear in mind if I find myself in England or Canada to watch my mouth with that one.
Umm, I don't think "bonehead" was the very naughty word. Read Fred's most recent post.
"Bonehead"? We use that on this side of the pond but it's meaning is not very heavy. Its like saying "blockhead" or "stupid," or if I may try one of yours, "daft." A kid could say it and wouldn't get slapped. I'll bear in mind if I find myself in England or Canada to watch my mouth with that one.
Umm, I don't think "bonehead" was the very naughty word. Read Fred's most recent post.
right after "Falling"?
hehe I see what you did there.
hehe I see what you did there.
jools wrote:
... your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
"Bonehead"? We use that on this side of the pond but it's meaning is not very heavy. Its like saying "blockhead" or "stupid," or if I may try one of yours, "daft." A kid could say it and wouldn't get slapped. I'll bear in mind if I find myself in England or Canada to watch my mouth with that one.
... your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
"Bonehead"? We use that on this side of the pond but it's meaning is not very heavy. Its like saying "blockhead" or "stupid," or if I may try one of yours, "daft." A kid could say it and wouldn't get slapped. I'll bear in mind if I find myself in England or Canada to watch my mouth with that one.
jools wrote:
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Certainly we use it. In my book, it is the lowest word one can use to describe a woman - or a man, I suppose. I reserve such a phrase for those most dispicable. Interestingly, Thatcher's name kind of evokes an image relative to that naughty word so it's no stretch to apply it to her under any circumstances, provocative or not.
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Certainly we use it. In my book, it is the lowest word one can use to describe a woman - or a man, I suppose. I reserve such a phrase for those most dispicable. Interestingly, Thatcher's name kind of evokes an image relative to that naughty word so it's no stretch to apply it to her under any circumstances, provocative or not.
Until reading the multiple posts on RP from Brits, I did not know that the 1980s were such a ragged time in England.
I sang this song at a recital when I was a kid. I was a weird kid. c_c
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jools wrote:
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Oh it's a Very Naughty Word here too, one of the naughtiest in fact. Appropriate though, in this case.
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Oh it's a Very Naughty Word here too, one of the naughtiest in fact. Appropriate though, in this case.
fredriley wrote:
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
It is so sad that Michael Foot - a true statesman with more compassion and intellect in his little toe than Thatcher has in her entire body - died and she still remains alive. And she will get a state funeral I bet. With you 100% Fred - even your use of the Very Naughty Word to describer her! Do our cousins across the water use it at all? Never sure which cusses they understand...
Good St Paddy's Day choice
great string of 80s memories.
Gatlinburger wrote:
Indeed.
Haunting & universal, hopefully not prophetic...
A beautiful song.
A beautiful song.
Indeed.
dboseman wrote:
Yeah. But on the other hand, wenn Pinochet finally got pinned down in London by request of Spanish judges, she had nothing better to do than closing ranks with the fucking prick.
Talk about feeling ambivalent. I love this song but am appalled that she equates Margarette Thatcher with the Chinese who gunned downed demonstrators. What a bonehead.
Yeah. But on the other hand, wenn Pinochet finally got pinned down in London by request of Spanish judges, she had nothing better to do than closing ranks with the fucking prick.
fredriley wrote:
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
I don't always see eye to eye with you fred, but the idea of a street party sounds a great idea. Here's what I will look like ( if I was 40 years younger)
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
I don't always see eye to eye with you fred, but the idea of a street party sounds a great idea. Here's what I will look like ( if I was 40 years younger)
There's actually a bloke hereabouts who thinks that what he calls "the Iron Lady" was just the greatest thing to the UK. I suggested to this fellow he might go to Bristol, Manchester, Merseyside, Republic of Ireland or the Northern Counties and make good and sure the people there know this 'undisputable fact.'
Yes, this song inspires much political debate, as we see below.
Me, I just like the music.
Me, I just like the music.
DavidS_UK wrote:
'Questionable' actions in the Falklands... ahhh you mean as a European democracy we should just roll over and let other nations decide to f**k over our Sovereignity, in case it offends your sensilbilities: Perhaps if we had asked the Argentinian junta nicely they would have realised the error of their ways and left the Falkland Islands and the people on them. No, on reflection, I really think that the Junta Government, proven to have cold bloodedly murdered thousands of their own citizens would have paid much attention to a nice request.
Look at the map, dumbo, then tell us who the islands should belong to. A tiny revanchist settler population installed by a nation 3000 miles away, or a Latin American country just 200 miles away. The Falkland islanders had even had their rights to settle in the UK withdrawn just before the war by the very same government that deemed their wishes to remain British "paramount" and killed 2000 men for that 'principle' - their "wish to remain British" was worth killing for, but not worth giving them passports to come to the 'mother country. Yeah, right, and I've got a bridge in Brooklyn going cheap. The islanders were a handy pretext for the UK maintaining a last colonial presence in the Southern hemisphere close to the miineral riches of the Antarctic, and handily placed to claim territoriality over undersea oil reserves. A nice militarily strategic position too.
You want to celebrate that murderous c*nt Thatcher, that's your business and your conscience, but you'll be feeling cold and lonely when she finally croaks and the rest of us party on the streets.
'Questionable' actions in the Falklands... ahhh you mean as a European democracy we should just roll over and let other nations decide to f**k over our Sovereignity, in case it offends your sensilbilities: Perhaps if we had asked the Argentinian junta nicely they would have realised the error of their ways and left the Falkland Islands and the people on them. No, on reflection, I really think that the Junta Government, proven to have cold bloodedly murdered thousands of their own citizens would have paid much attention to a nice request.
Look at the map, dumbo, then tell us who the islands should belong to. A tiny revanchist settler population installed by a nation 3000 miles away, or a Latin American country just 200 miles away. The Falkland islanders had even had their rights to settle in the UK withdrawn just before the war by the very same government that deemed their wishes to remain British "paramount" and killed 2000 men for that 'principle' - their "wish to remain British" was worth killing for, but not worth giving them passports to come to the 'mother country. Yeah, right, and I've got a bridge in Brooklyn going cheap. The islanders were a handy pretext for the UK maintaining a last colonial presence in the Southern hemisphere close to the miineral riches of the Antarctic, and handily placed to claim territoriality over undersea oil reserves. A nice militarily strategic position too.
You want to celebrate that murderous c*nt Thatcher, that's your business and your conscience, but you'll be feeling cold and lonely when she finally croaks and the rest of us party on the streets.
dboseman wrote:
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
Talk about feeling ambivalent. I love this song but am appalled that she equates Margarette Thatcher with the Chinese who gunned downed demonstrators. What a bonehead.
If you'd lived through the 84-85 Miner's Strike you might think differently. The UK State didn't kill en masse as the Chinese State did, but it did kill and maim, particularly during the strike when the whole might of the State was unleashed against the miners in what was literally a class war. The cops regularly killed civilians and weren't held to account (and indeed still do). And don't forget the Falklands/Malvinas war, which although started by the Argentinian military junta was enthusiastically prosecuted by the Thatcher regime, spurning and sabotaging all attempts to reach a diplomatic solution. 2000 men died in that war, blood that's on the hands of Thatcher and her cronies. The Thatcherite regime was violent and murderous, and if anything the "bonehead" is being restrained. Those of us who lived through that class war remember Thatcher well, and will be holding street parties when she eventually dies a (hopefully prolonged and painful) death.
DavidS_UK wrote:
'Questionable' actions in the Falklands... ahhh you mean as a European democracy we should just roll over and let other nations decide to f**k over our Sovereignity, in case it offends your sensilbilities: Perhaps if we had asked the Argentinian junta nicely they would have realised the error of their ways and left the Falkland Islands and the people on them. No, on reflection, I really think that the Junta Government, proven to have cold bloodedly murdered thousands of their own citizens would have paid much attention to a nice request.
But for you it's so much easier to follow the herd, blame Thatcher for anything that happened between about 1905 and 2008! After all, I see the Labour Party still blame her for everything they do wrong although they have been in corrupt and brainless Government since 1997, and in that time have committed us to more wars than the previous 25 years! I presume you would have also preferred the old Soviet Union to still be in existence as well....?
Rant over. Nice song. Very poignant. And yes, it is good and very necessary that artists challenge the political order. After all, that is what freedom and democracy mean - free speech for all within the bounds of avoiding the obvious "..isms".
Hear Hear
'Questionable' actions in the Falklands... ahhh you mean as a European democracy we should just roll over and let other nations decide to f**k over our Sovereignity, in case it offends your sensilbilities: Perhaps if we had asked the Argentinian junta nicely they would have realised the error of their ways and left the Falkland Islands and the people on them. No, on reflection, I really think that the Junta Government, proven to have cold bloodedly murdered thousands of their own citizens would have paid much attention to a nice request.
But for you it's so much easier to follow the herd, blame Thatcher for anything that happened between about 1905 and 2008! After all, I see the Labour Party still blame her for everything they do wrong although they have been in corrupt and brainless Government since 1997, and in that time have committed us to more wars than the previous 25 years! I presume you would have also preferred the old Soviet Union to still be in existence as well....?
Rant over. Nice song. Very poignant. And yes, it is good and very necessary that artists challenge the political order. After all, that is what freedom and democracy mean - free speech for all within the bounds of avoiding the obvious "..isms".
Hear Hear
Talk about feeling ambivalent. I love this song but am appalled that she equates Margarette Thatcher with the Chinese who gunned downed demonstrators. What a bonehead.
stkman wrote:
Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic ....
And the more things change, the more they stay the same, eh?
Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic ....
And the more things change, the more they stay the same, eh?
algrif wrote:
Various. N.I. as already mentioned is probably uppermost in her mind, but we can also add the very questionable actions in the Faulkland islands; the gunning down of IRA suspects in Gibraltar; and all the generally supportive actions in favour of the bellicose USA administrations. (Just to mention the tip of the iceburg)
'Questionable' actions in the Falklands... ahhh you mean as a European democracy we should just roll over and let other nations decide to f**k over our Sovereignity, in case it offends your sensilbilities: Perhaps if we had asked the Argentinian junta nicely they would have realised the error of their ways and left the Falkland Islands and the people on them. No, on reflection, I really think that the Junta Government, proven to have cold bloodedly murdered thousands of their own citizens would have paid much attention to a nice request.
But for you it's so much easier to follow the herd, blame Thatcher for anything that happened between about 1905 and 2008! After all, I see the Labour Party still blame her for everything they do wrong although they have been in corrupt and brainless Government since 1997, and in that time have committed us to more wars than the previous 25 years! I presume you would have also preferred the old Soviet Union to still be in existence as well....?
Rant over. Nice song. Very poignant. And yes, it is good and very necessary that artists challenge the political order. After all, that is what freedom and democracy mean - free speech for all within the bounds of avoiding the obvious "..isms".
Various. N.I. as already mentioned is probably uppermost in her mind, but we can also add the very questionable actions in the Faulkland islands; the gunning down of IRA suspects in Gibraltar; and all the generally supportive actions in favour of the bellicose USA administrations. (Just to mention the tip of the iceburg)
'Questionable' actions in the Falklands... ahhh you mean as a European democracy we should just roll over and let other nations decide to f**k over our Sovereignity, in case it offends your sensilbilities: Perhaps if we had asked the Argentinian junta nicely they would have realised the error of their ways and left the Falkland Islands and the people on them. No, on reflection, I really think that the Junta Government, proven to have cold bloodedly murdered thousands of their own citizens would have paid much attention to a nice request.
But for you it's so much easier to follow the herd, blame Thatcher for anything that happened between about 1905 and 2008! After all, I see the Labour Party still blame her for everything they do wrong although they have been in corrupt and brainless Government since 1997, and in that time have committed us to more wars than the previous 25 years! I presume you would have also preferred the old Soviet Union to still be in existence as well....?
Rant over. Nice song. Very poignant. And yes, it is good and very necessary that artists challenge the political order. After all, that is what freedom and democracy mean - free speech for all within the bounds of avoiding the obvious "..isms".
Stefen wrote:
Is this really her? Golly gee!
Yes, she now looks like some bloke in dress. Just an observation.
Is this really her? Golly gee!
Yes, she now looks like some bloke in dress. Just an observation.
Mandible wrote:
is it just a fact of life that we all bloat with age?
Is this really her? Golly gee!
is it just a fact of life that we all bloat with age?Is this really her? Golly gee!
I coulda sworn this was Bjork! Wow! How the mighty have fallen!
annie_fannie wrote:
OMG shoot me in the head
duuude..sinead, you're bringin' me down.
OMG shoot me in the head
is it just a fact of life that we all bloat with age? romeotuma wrote:
This song is profound... and soooo good for the ears...
is there anything not good for the ears romeo?
This song is profound... and soooo good for the ears...
is there anything not good for the ears romeo?
The lyrics made me think of the movie "Blood Diamond" — there are scenes in that movie no mother could bear to see, knowing it's reality in some parts of the world. That said, this is a beautiful, moving song ...
GODLIKE.
Haunting & universal, hopefully not prophetic...
A beautiful song.
A beautiful song.
Great follow up to Julee Cruise
Just the perfect tune for me tonight, thanks Bill.
Excellent tune - nailing it tonight - Julee Cruise, Sinead, Coldplay - cool cool cool!!!
chathambing wrote:
Pinko has an angry, almost genetic loathing for privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular. Pinko openly admires ****** Stone, Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore and anyone else who is critical of the US government and bourgeois culture. She ardently believes there is no enormity of which the United States is incapable and regards its entire history as an unbroken legacy of avarice, deceit and injustice. Her extremely predictable and tedious attacks eventually exhaust even those inclined to support her. Joan of Arc.... pffft. Give us a break. So as not to get too far off topic- the song is just OK, the singer drags it down.
stkman wrote:
OK so privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular are all acceptable? Are you Rush Limbaugh? So anyone critical of the US gov is bad? I was born and raised here and know what we are capable of and what dictators or puppet governments we have installed and supported including Saddam. I don't even follow her views, don't have any of her records, do think she has a great voice but read you comment and you seem to represent everything wrong with this country which is alot. Greed, US imperialism, Corporate irresponsibility, Bush, government(both republican and democrat) all have helped get us into this mess. Quite frankly sir there has not been enough protesting and peacefull demonstrations in the past forty years. We have become a apathetic crowd that has allowed this to happen. Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic which couldn't be further from the truth. There is allways room for constructive critisism, pointing out any imperfections is a way to grow into a better nation. You know its funny that I'm a "proud" Texan but I didn't have a choice in where I was born or what color or sex I would be but these are things nobody has a choice in but once we are here we not only have the choice but the obligation to try and make this place a better place to live no matter what state or country we are in. Unfortunately we seem to be failing right now.
Cool it down!!!
For Christ's sake, both of you!
Pinko has an angry, almost genetic loathing for privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular. Pinko openly admires ****** Stone, Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore and anyone else who is critical of the US government and bourgeois culture. She ardently believes there is no enormity of which the United States is incapable and regards its entire history as an unbroken legacy of avarice, deceit and injustice. Her extremely predictable and tedious attacks eventually exhaust even those inclined to support her. Joan of Arc.... pffft. Give us a break. So as not to get too far off topic- the song is just OK, the singer drags it down.
stkman wrote:
OK so privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular are all acceptable? Are you Rush Limbaugh? So anyone critical of the US gov is bad? I was born and raised here and know what we are capable of and what dictators or puppet governments we have installed and supported including Saddam. I don't even follow her views, don't have any of her records, do think she has a great voice but read you comment and you seem to represent everything wrong with this country which is alot. Greed, US imperialism, Corporate irresponsibility, Bush, government(both republican and democrat) all have helped get us into this mess. Quite frankly sir there has not been enough protesting and peacefull demonstrations in the past forty years. We have become a apathetic crowd that has allowed this to happen. Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic which couldn't be further from the truth. There is allways room for constructive critisism, pointing out any imperfections is a way to grow into a better nation. You know its funny that I'm a "proud" Texan but I didn't have a choice in where I was born or what color or sex I would be but these are things nobody has a choice in but once we are here we not only have the choice but the obligation to try and make this place a better place to live no matter what state or country we are in. Unfortunately we seem to be failing right now.
Cool it down!!!
For Christ's sake, both of you!
stkman wrote:
OK so privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular are all acceptable? Are you Rush Limbaugh? So anyone critical of the US gov is bad? I was born and raised here and know what we are capable of and what dictators or puppet governments we have installed and supported including Saddam. I don't even follow her views, don't have any of her records, do think she has a great voice but read you comment and you seem to represent everything wrong with this country which is alot. Greed, US imperialism, Corporate irresponsibility, Bush, government(both republican and democrat) all have helped get us into this mess. Quite frankly sir there has not been enough protesting and peacefull demonstrations in the past forty years. We have become a apathetic crowd that has allowed this to happen. Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic which couldn't be further from the truth. There is allways room for constructive critisism, pointing out any imperfections is a way to grow into a better nation. You know its funny that I'm a "proud" Texan but I didn't have a choice in where I was born or what color or sex I would be but these are things nobody has a choice in but once we are here we not only have the choice but the obligation to try and make this place a better place to live no matter what state or country we are in. Unfortunately we seem to be failing right now.
Glad that the "free voice" can also be heard in the USA.... Good on ya...
OK so privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular are all acceptable? Are you Rush Limbaugh? So anyone critical of the US gov is bad? I was born and raised here and know what we are capable of and what dictators or puppet governments we have installed and supported including Saddam. I don't even follow her views, don't have any of her records, do think she has a great voice but read you comment and you seem to represent everything wrong with this country which is alot. Greed, US imperialism, Corporate irresponsibility, Bush, government(both republican and democrat) all have helped get us into this mess. Quite frankly sir there has not been enough protesting and peacefull demonstrations in the past forty years. We have become a apathetic crowd that has allowed this to happen. Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic which couldn't be further from the truth. There is allways room for constructive critisism, pointing out any imperfections is a way to grow into a better nation. You know its funny that I'm a "proud" Texan but I didn't have a choice in where I was born or what color or sex I would be but these are things nobody has a choice in but once we are here we not only have the choice but the obligation to try and make this place a better place to live no matter what state or country we are in. Unfortunately we seem to be failing right now.
Glad that the "free voice" can also be heard in the USA.... Good on ya...
madaxeman wrote:
I don't know what came first, but it sounds so much like The Decembrists' Crane Wife 3. Not as good though.
chathambing wrote:
OK so privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular are all acceptable? Are you Rush Limbaugh? So anyone critical of the US gov is bad? I was born and raised here and know what we are capable of and what dictators or puppet governments we have installed and supported including Saddam. I don't even follow her views, don't have any of her records, do think she has a great voice but read you comment and you seem to represent everything wrong with this country which is alot. Greed, US imperialism, Corporate irresponsibility, Bush, government(both republican and democrat) all have helped get us into this mess. Quite frankly sir there has not been enough protesting and peacefull demonstrations in the past forty years. We have become a apathetic crowd that has allowed this to happen. Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic which couldn't be further from the truth. There is allways room for constructive critisism, pointing out any imperfections is a way to grow into a better nation. You know its funny that I'm a "proud" Texan but I didn't have a choice in where I was born or what color or sex I would be but these are things nobody has a choice in but once we are here we not only have the choice but the obligation to try and make this place a better place to live no matter what state or country we are in. Unfortunately we seem to be failing right now.
Pinko has an angry, almost genetic loathing for privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular. Pinko openly admires ****** Stone, Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore and anyone else who is critical of the US government and bourgeois culture. She ardently believes there is no enormity of which the United States is incapable and regards its entire history as an unbroken legacy of avarice, deceit and injustice. Her extremely predictable and tedious attacks eventually exhaust even those inclined to support her. Joan of Arc.... pffft. Give us a break. So as not to get too far off topic- the song is just OK, the singer drags it down.
OK so privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular are all acceptable? Are you Rush Limbaugh? So anyone critical of the US gov is bad? I was born and raised here and know what we are capable of and what dictators or puppet governments we have installed and supported including Saddam. I don't even follow her views, don't have any of her records, do think she has a great voice but read you comment and you seem to represent everything wrong with this country which is alot. Greed, US imperialism, Corporate irresponsibility, Bush, government(both republican and democrat) all have helped get us into this mess. Quite frankly sir there has not been enough protesting and peacefull demonstrations in the past forty years. We have become a apathetic crowd that has allowed this to happen. Mr Bush gave the opinion that if ya didn't agree with him you were unpatriotic which couldn't be further from the truth. There is allways room for constructive critisism, pointing out any imperfections is a way to grow into a better nation. You know its funny that I'm a "proud" Texan but I didn't have a choice in where I was born or what color or sex I would be but these are things nobody has a choice in but once we are here we not only have the choice but the obligation to try and make this place a better place to live no matter what state or country we are in. Unfortunately we seem to be failing right now.
chathambing wrote:
Pinko has an angry, almost genetic loathing for privilege, greed, social exploitation, racism, sexism, homophobia, pro-lifers, the religious right, environmental degradation, the NRA, US imperialism, multinational corporations, big business, Republicans in general and George Bush in particular. Pinko openly admires ****** Stone, Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore and anyone else who is critical of the US government and bourgeois culture. She ardently believes there is no enormity of which the United States is incapable and regards its entire history as an unbroken legacy of avarice, deceit and injustice. Her extremely predictable and tedious attacks eventually exhaust even those inclined to support her. Joan of Arc.... pffft. Give us a break. So as not to get too far off topic- the song is just OK, the singer drags it down.
Wow. Haven't heard this one in ages. Most excellent. Thanks Bill!
Great to hear this. I played the whole album over and over when it came out. I think it still holds up really well, without sounding dated. This song has very powerful imagery.
Sinead has the amazing ability to be harsh and tender at the same time. Great track!
This a great song.haven't heard it in ages
eight ball in the corner pocket..suckin
It's rare that I take an album so seriously, but this may be the most honest emotionally charged album I have ever heard. (Maybe the Clash might match the sincerity, but with a much different emotional feel.)
The Neilds cover this and it's also fantastic.
Beautiful. And so sad.
Atlantis wrote:
I agree. My mother is from Britain and I'm always shocked and appalled when I go there. Such a shame.
Great tune from Sinead, it's great to see someone speak what they believe.
I just love this song. Beautiful tune and fantastic lyrics. Always reminds me of the appalling state Britain is in and why I left that country of my birth forever.
I agree. My mother is from Britain and I'm always shocked and appalled when I go there. Such a shame.
Great tune from Sinead, it's great to see someone speak what they believe.
Given the history of what the British did to the Irish for several hundred years, the lyrics in this song are not so shocking. Great tune, great lyrics, great vocals. 10.
Wow! 
duuude..sinead, you're bringin' me down.
This Lady-Singer congregates all the predicates and parchments that a singer can have, including your strong personality. For everything and because i like of hearing and appreciate your work, Tankyou Ms. Sinéad Marie Bernadette O' Connor. God Bless You! -
** 9 **
I just love this song. Beautiful tune and fantastic lyrics. Always reminds me of the appalling state Britain is in and why I left that country of my birth forever.
Excellent song and a musical act of bravery on the part of Sinead O'Connor. ^..^~
A great song. Perfect for the mission of RP. Thank you. I agree with all the comments that this is on the cusp of madness but sublime just the same...
Has she checked out the government in Zimbabwe recently? - one of the most corrupt in earth. A morose ditty from a reactionary musician lacking critical thinking skills.
Have to strongly disagree with you on that one - she may be a bit reactionary but I certainly wouldn't characterize all of her music in that way, especially not this song. So many of us often find it much easier to criticize a foreign government's policies than our own governments'; how many of us actually ever write a song about it?
Moreover, I don't see how this song demonstrates any lack of "critical thinking skills": critical thought and emotion are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I think that the emotion conveyed through her lyrics is as much a part of what makes this song so beautifully powerful as the lyrics themselves - whether you believe in them or not. I rate this a 10 (!!)
Have to strongly disagree with you on that one - she may be a bit reactionary but I certainly wouldn't characterize all of her music in that way, especially not this song. So many of us often find it much easier to criticize a foreign government's policies than our own governments'; how many of us actually ever write a song about it?
Moreover, I don't see how this song demonstrates any lack of "critical thinking skills": critical thought and emotion are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I think that the emotion conveyed through her lyrics is as much a part of what makes this song so beautifully powerful as the lyrics themselves - whether you believe in them or not. I rate this a 10 (!!)
timely and beautiful.
Skinh'ead O'Connor.
Wow! Two songs in a row that I have rated a "one". Well it's Friday night and I'm home sippin beer instead of banging the drums with the neighbors. My own damn fault again.
vaiodon wrote:
Her home is Ireland, birthplace anyway.
So is that Eire, or Northern Ireland? It makes a difference, as I'm sure you well know.
Edit: Because I was curious, and not just being a smartass, I looked it up. Dublin.
Hannio wrote:
Doesn't sound like it will, if her brilliance truly was based on her mood disorder.
such a fine line between genius and madness
The fact we're all still up in arms over this song verifies its brilliance. Sinead has been up and down (for good reason it seems, see below) but she nailed this one.
I don't know what came first, but it sounds so much like The Decembrists' Crane Wife 3.
Not as good though.
Ag3nt0rang3 wrote:
... Despite the fact that Britain was her home (I'm assuming it was)?
Her home is Ireland, birthplace anyway. The Irish tend to get a little sensitive about such mixups given the angst endured to create Ireland as a separate state to the United Kingdom with whom they share one of the British Isles. Maybe the lack of a location posting for Age3ntOrang3 might suggest a deficiency in geography knowledge ;-)
Regardless; her music is among the peerless, it takes emotion to beget emotion. I just took a look her contributons on RP's playlist and there's a lot of great tracks there.
conocardium wrote:
... Has she checked out the government in Zimbabwe recently? - one of the most corrupt in earth.
So you're saying that because there were worse governments in the world than Thatcher's Britain, she shouldn't have criticized it? Despite the fact that Britain was her home (I'm assuming it was)? Don't you think one should clean up the mess in their own back yard before taking shots at the neighbour's trash heap?
Rafter101 wrote:
Sinead has recently come out that she is bi-polar, and much of the challenges in her musical career (and her brilliance) was based on her intense mood disorder. She's getting treatment now, and hopefully the brilliance will continue.
Doesn't sound like it will, if her brilliance truly was based on her mood disorder.
To me this is like "Madman Across the Water" from Elton John. A masterwork. 
Falling (Twin Peaks) --> to Sinead segue....indescribably brilliant. Thanks RP!
hahahaha, good one Firey!
Sinead has recently come out that she is bi-polar, and much of the challenges in her musical career (and her brilliance) was based on her intense mood disorder. She's getting treatment now, and hopefully the brilliance will continue.
What a waste of a pretty voice and a pretty face.
pweverka wrote:
Uh . . . what's sinead's position on Gordon Brown? 
I seriously hope, for her sake, that it's on top.
SpamNRice wrote:
Thatcher's Britain and Reagan's America -- what a pair they made -- their legacies (poor ones at that) live on in so many disfunctional modes... 
Yes I'm sure that all the people who bought their council houses for next to nothing, thus allowing them to have a home of their own for the first time, not only in their lives, but in the history of their entire family, would agree with you......not!
Unless you are talking about the most dysfunctional (notice the spelling there) of Thatchers legacies .............. New Labour!
A powerful message. Good on Sinead O'Connor for using her talent in this way.
Bobasaurus wrote:
I strongly dislike the message and the song.
Yeah, but your name is Bobasaurus.
Thatcher's Britain and Reagan's America -- what a pair they made -- their legacies (poor ones at that) live on in so many disfunctional modes...
lawman wrote:
lawman wrote:
(Oh, you do, do you?)
Any song which comments adversely on MT gets my vote. I used to wonder, when a kid, what "choosing between God and Mammon" meant. Thatcher showed us; and we're still living there, in Thatcher's Britain. 
conocardium wrote:
Deng Xiaoping=Margaret Thatcher. Oh, now I get it....
(Oh, you do, do you?)
Any song which comments adversely on MT gets my vote. I used to wonder, when a kid, what "choosing between God and Mammon" meant. Thatcher showed us; and we're still living there, in Thatcher's Britain.
Really one of my alltime favourites! 10 10 10 10 10!!
Deng Xiaoping=Margaret Thatcher. Oh, now I get it. Has she checked out the government in Zimbabwe recently? - one of the most corrupt in earth. A morose ditty from a reactionary musician lacking critical thinking skills.
Great song, great album.
Too bad she kinda faded away (musically) after this.
As far as her anger and Pope-photo-ripping, what the hell, somebody's gotta rage against the machine or nothing ever changes, right? I'm not saying she's Martin Luther King, but at least she's speaking out, which is more than most of us do.
Uh . . . what's sinead's position on Gordon Brown?
Bobasaurus wrote:
I strongly dislike the message and the song.
Cautiously, I ask you to elaborate.
I strongly dislike the message and the song.
Shesdifferent wrote:
These are dangerous days...
To say what you feel
is to make your own grave.
Words true especially today in America
Brilliant, Love Sinead....I don't know why people don't understand her.
Sinead always came across to me as kind of an a**hole... completely unlikeable. Someone incapable of playing nice. People like that put themselves through hell more than anyone else. It's only waaaayyy down the road that we grow to admire their impulsive courage, their expression of moral conscience in the face of a stiff wind of opposition.
Time and age have mellowed her some. Contentment doesn't make for great music, so I don't expect her to ever make anything as great as this. But I'd sure like to buy her a beer.
physicsgenius wrote:
Why does scale make a difference? To the victim, every death is the same size.
Whether someone blows a hole through you with a .22 or a shotgun, it's just a hole isn't it?
Post VT disclaimer: not advocating for firearms, just trying to make a point about scale.
Rap IS played on RP. Check the playlist. And my, don't you get a gold star for tolerance today.
Glockman45 wrote:
Even mentionong RAP on RP is grounds for termination.......please leave since you don't appreciate real music, RAP is not.
I love how this always says "Black Boys on Mope" in the Now Playing list.
I like to pretend it's a Sinead O'Connor parody of the old Tubes classic.
I'm easily amused sometimes.
biologenius wrote:
Disagree. The person who threatens the lives of my family is worse than one who just threatens my own life, and a person who threatens the annihilation of e.g. a city is much worse than both of the former.
biologenius vs. physicsgenius - rumble in the jungle. My money is on the incumbent.
Glockman45 wrote:
Even mentionong RAP on RP is grounds for termination.......please leave since you don't appreciate real music, RAP is not.
BAH. If there are grounds for termination from RP (and thankfully, there aren't), it would be categorically excluding any genre of music. If Bill picks a rap tune, or a country-and-western tune, or Tuvan throat singing, or whatever, you can usually count on it to fit in with the playlist.
After seeing her in "the Butcherboy", I strongly believe Sinead is the mother of God.
SINEAD Just climb in one of the graves.celadonstone wrote:
Police chasing Blck boys on mopeds, eh? Maybe just once this song should be followed by Ridin Dirty by Chamillionaire. But its probably NOT on the playlist, and for all those in shared office spaces--with all the N bombs, maybe its for the best. But a few lines:
So they get behind me,
Tryin' to check my tags.
Look at my rearview and they smilin',
Thinkin' they'll catch me on the wrong; keep tryin'
steady denyin' it's racial profilin'.
Even mentionong RAP on RP is grounds for termination.......please leave since you don't appreciate real music, RAP is not.
Fantastic transition, from Julee Cruise's Falling to this. I was listening to a stupid radio network only half an hour ago - but nothing, nothing compares to RP.
Police chasing Blck boys on mopeds, eh? Maybe just once this song should be followed by Ridin Dirty by Chamillionaire. But its probably NOT on the playlist, and for all those in shared office spaces--with all the N bombs, maybe its for the best. But a few lines:
So they get behind me,
Tryin' to check my tags.
Look at my rearview and they smilin',
Thinkin' they'll catch me on the wrong; keep tryin'
steady denyin' it's racial profilin'.
physicsgenius wrote:
Why does scale make a difference? To the victim, every death is the same size.
Disagree. The person who threatens the lives of my family is worse than one who just threatens my own life, and a person who threatens the annihilation of e.g. a city is much worse than both of the former. The relation may not be linear, but it still holds. Unless you are an egoist, of course.
In spite of my true blue politics, to me this song still kinda bites. I just really don't like Sinead as an artist, and no amount of leftie lyrics are gonna make that go away no matter how much I agree with them.
Yeah, Sinéad ... I *will* say it again: as a political rant, this is "childish." The UK has not been anything like a repressive dictatorship within the lifetime of anyone now breathing, and an isolated incident doesn't negate that.
But, dear God, what an amazing song. It slips right past my defenses. 9.7. If I rounded up, I'd give it the ten, but you'll have to settle for the 9.
physicsgenius wrote:
Why does scale make a difference? To the victim, every death is the same size.
Agree!
Her cover of "Downpressor Man" gets some airplay on here.