Crosby, Stills & Nash — Long Time Gone
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It's been a long time coming
It's going to be a long time gone
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
It's a long, long, long, long time
Before the dawn
Turn any corner
Hear what the people say
You know that something is going on around here
It surely, surely, surely won't stand the light of day
And it appears to be a long
Appers to be a long
Appears to be a long
SUch a long, long time
Before the dawn
Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness
You got to speak your mind
If you dare
Don't, no don't try to get yourself elected
If you do you had better cut your hair
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
Such a long, long, long, long time
Before the dawn
It's been a long time coming
It's going to be a long time gone
But you know, the darkest hour
Is always just before the dawn
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
Such a long, long, long, long time
Before the dawn
It's going to be a long time gone
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
It's a long, long, long, long time
Before the dawn
Turn any corner
Hear what the people say
You know that something is going on around here
It surely, surely, surely won't stand the light of day
And it appears to be a long
Appers to be a long
Appears to be a long
SUch a long, long time
Before the dawn
Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness
You got to speak your mind
If you dare
Don't, no don't try to get yourself elected
If you do you had better cut your hair
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
Such a long, long, long, long time
Before the dawn
It's been a long time coming
It's going to be a long time gone
But you know, the darkest hour
Is always just before the dawn
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
Such a long, long, long, long time
Before the dawn
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The excitement and creativity of that time made an impression that still lives. What beauty we saw and experienced. That generation is remembered for Peace and Love. What is your generation remembered for? Not being critical but just saying...
joejennings wrote:
And, you wonder why you are sitting alone in your mommy's basement! ...PS: she wants her laptop back if you don't clean up your mess!
Yes these were times of real people who demonstrated their fears and happiness. Oh and as pointed out you would not have a Laptop at all if there had been no hippies.
And, you wonder why you are sitting alone in your mommy's basement! ...PS: she wants her laptop back if you don't clean up your mess!
Yes these were times of real people who demonstrated their fears and happiness. Oh and as pointed out you would not have a Laptop at all if there had been no hippies.
miahfost wrote:
And, you wonder why you are sitting alone in your mommy's basement! ...PS: she wants her laptop back if you don't clean up your mess!
Sorry, but this song sounds dated. It seems like a paen to the hippies, a sop to those who would grow their hair long. In the sixties, you did not have to do anything to change the world, just put on a record like this, smoke pot and talk about it. Well I for one am sick of that sound track.
And, you wonder why you are sitting alone in your mommy's basement! ...PS: she wants her laptop back if you don't clean up your mess!
CowboyJJ wrote:
to this response and the bitter OG
to this response and the bitter OG miahfost wrote:
Sorry, but this song sounds dated. It seems like a paen to the hippies, a sop to those who would grow their hair long. In the sixties, you did not have to do anything to change the world, just put on a record like this, smoke pot and talk about it. Well I for one am sick of that sound track.
Sad to hear of David's passing.
I watched a pretty good documentary recently (on Netflix I think?) where he said "Time is now the most valuable commodity . . . and I want more of it". Alas.
To be fair, it's nothing short of a miracle that he lived this long. I read his biography ("Long Time Gone", which was excellent) and he flirted with death for a long time with his drug abuse. What eventually saved him was being thrown in a Texas prison where he had zero access to drugs and was forced to get clean, unlike all those rehab stints where he'd leave/escape after the first day or two.
Demons aside, he was one of the greats, in my opinion, and that first CSN album, along with DejaVu, are two of the greatest albums ever, not to mention his iconic work with the Byrds.
RIP David, a massive talent; you will be missed.
I watched a pretty good documentary recently (on Netflix I think?) where he said "Time is now the most valuable commodity . . . and I want more of it". Alas.
To be fair, it's nothing short of a miracle that he lived this long. I read his biography ("Long Time Gone", which was excellent) and he flirted with death for a long time with his drug abuse. What eventually saved him was being thrown in a Texas prison where he had zero access to drugs and was forced to get clean, unlike all those rehab stints where he'd leave/escape after the first day or two.
Demons aside, he was one of the greats, in my opinion, and that first CSN album, along with DejaVu, are two of the greatest albums ever, not to mention his iconic work with the Byrds.
RIP David, a massive talent; you will be missed.
David Crosby - January 19, 2023: Long time gone. RIP.
bialia wrote:
About 4 years ago I saw David Crosby and his voice is still amazing.
This album still sounds so cool and competent. The harmonies are sublime. It's held up as well as anything from the 60s. I frigging love these guys.
About 4 years ago I saw David Crosby and his voice is still amazing.
BlackBetty wrote:
So, not Crosby, Stills or Nash, then? <smile>
Wonderful. Reminds me that i 'was' young once!
So, not Crosby, Stills or Nash, then? <smile>
This album still sounds so cool and competent. The harmonies are sublime. It's held up as well as anything from the 60s. I frigging love these guys.
Wonderful. Reminds me that i 'was' young once!
LizDeines wrote:
Yes indeed. While David Crosby was certainly talented, Stephen Stills was no less talented, nor Graham Nash (check out his work with the Hollies and later solo).
keller1 wrote:
Gotta disagree with you there. They're all great talents.
Yes indeed. While David Crosby was certainly talented, Stephen Stills was no less talented, nor Graham Nash (check out his work with the Hollies and later solo).
Randyl wrote:
Well said.
The Sixties were a cultural mini-renaissance - an awakening cut down before full flowering by the intelligence community and commercialism; and no amount of words will recreate for anyone not there what it was like to be young and in the midst of it during those times, but these guys managed to weave some of the essence into their music.
Well said.
I am C S & N fan of many years. I lived by this music. Keep the faith all of you good people in America.
A Canadian friend.
Regards DR From British Columbia
A Canadian friend.
Regards DR From British Columbia
Young is not on this record
GODLIKE!!! I bought this album a few weeks after it came out. I was 14yrs old & WNEW FM 102.7 NYC was playing it a lot. It is even better now, in FLAC w/ great studio phones, amp & DAC! Thank You RP! 
After reading a few of the comments...I have seen C,S&N a few times and once with Neil. A few friends and I drove 3 hours to a small outdoor venue outside of San Antonio. It was a Monday night show, Sept. 8, 2001... couldn't of asked for more beautiful night. I remember walking up towards the front row, this kind of show one can do that. I have always loved David and Stephen but at the moment I was enamored by Graham Nash. This young girl walked over to me and she pulled out a leftie. We proceeded to smoke and sway to the music. I remember she made my then 40 year old heart feel young again. What a beautiful concert. The next two days my heart felt such joy, elation, so peaceful hard to describe. It was amazing how seeing C,S& N made me feel! On the third morning, 9/11 at work, all that was washed away.
My point is, some of you all don't them it I get that. But name calling of poking at an era, why? I love most kinds of music. I remember seeing Tool in Austin and leaving the show feeling angry. So yes, I prefer to listen to music that makes my heart sing. All this, just over 20 years ago. I remember that concert like it was yesterday. And I made a cool red, white and blue tie-dye to commemorate the 20th anniversary.
My point is, some of you all don't them it I get that. But name calling of poking at an era, why? I love most kinds of music. I remember seeing Tool in Austin and leaving the show feeling angry. So yes, I prefer to listen to music that makes my heart sing. All this, just over 20 years ago. I remember that concert like it was yesterday. And I made a cool red, white and blue tie-dye to commemorate the 20th anniversary.
One of the most biting, relevant, and jamming tunes ever, by rocking folks who celebrated so well and often how to put it all out there...
joelbb wrote:
It might be a Crosby song, but Stills is definitely in there, I think we all recognize his organ.
Yo Dr. Lex! Brilliant!!! I gave this classic Stills cut an 8, but this post is pushing 10!
It might be a Crosby song, but Stills is definitely in there, I think we all recognize his organ.
miahfost wrote:
Please tell us what you have done to "change the world", other than whining about "the hippies".
Sorry, but this song sounds dated. It seems like a paen to the hippies, a sop to those who would grow their hair long. In the sixties, you did not have to do anything to change the world, just put on a record like this, smoke pot and talk about it. Well I for one am sick of that sound track.
Please tell us what you have done to "change the world", other than whining about "the hippies".
freemusic wrote:
SO important - 100% agree.
I dare you speak today and think it will not be very costly. Our bill or rights was celebrated during that era. However, those same rights have also given power to those that wish to destroy that bill of rights.
Gone is the ability to speak anything that does not comply with truth as defined by Facebook, Twitter, Google et al, and Amazon. As your "un-truth" words are erased, you may also lose your income and your career. It is a "long time coming " to speak out and demand support today for our bill of rights as they did then. These are the rights that we fought for, and must fight for once again, against those that wish to destroy them.
From the lyrics:
... DARE to speak the truth. It WILL cost you however. But to do less will lead to the total loss of your right to speak at all.
Support all those that today are being censored, their speech "erased" from social media along with their income, losing their jobs and ostracized for merely speaking publicly. Call what they say "truth or fiction", ANY free speech today will extract a huge costs on the speakers. Support our bill of rights and fight those that wish to destroy it.
Gone is the ability to speak anything that does not comply with truth as defined by Facebook, Twitter, Google et al, and Amazon. As your "un-truth" words are erased, you may also lose your income and your career. It is a "long time coming " to speak out and demand support today for our bill of rights as they did then. These are the rights that we fought for, and must fight for once again, against those that wish to destroy them.
From the lyrics:
... DARE to speak the truth. It WILL cost you however. But to do less will lead to the total loss of your right to speak at all.
Support all those that today are being censored, their speech "erased" from social media along with their income, losing their jobs and ostracized for merely speaking publicly. Call what they say "truth or fiction", ANY free speech today will extract a huge costs on the speakers. Support our bill of rights and fight those that wish to destroy it.
SO important - 100% agree.
DrLex wrote:
Yo Dr. Lex! Brilliant!!! I gave this classic Stills cut an 8, but this post is pushing 10!
But don't try to get yourself elected.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
Yo Dr. Lex! Brilliant!!! I gave this classic Stills cut an 8, but this post is pushing 10!
ThePoose wrote:
Please restrain yourself from showing his image. If I never see his face again, it will be too soon.
Agreed, fixed it for ya:
...Still some orange, but less scary š
Please restrain yourself from showing his image. If I never see his face again, it will be too soon.
Agreed, fixed it for ya:
...Still some orange, but less scary š
amb599 wrote:
I think unless you were around for the original release, this is kinda painful to listen to.
And I think if you feel this way that you've completely missed the point...
DrLex wrote:
Please restrain yourself from showing his image. If I never see his face again, it will be too soon.
But don't try to get yourself elected.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
Please restrain yourself from showing his image. If I never see his face again, it will be too soon.
still relevant hopefully not so long time as it was
jelgator wrote:
Very well said. Thanks for posting.
Look after the king of R n R please
Very well said. Thanks for posting.
Look after the king of R n R please
freemusic wrote:
Very well said. Thanks for posting.
I dare you speak today and think it will not be very costly. Our bill or rights was celebrated during that era. However, those same rights have also given power to those that wish to destroy that bill of rights.
Gone is the ability to speak anything that does not comply with truth as defined by Facebook, Twitter, Google et al, and Amazon. As your "un-truth" words are erased, you may also lose your income and your career. It is a "long time coming " to speak out and demand support today for our bill of rights as they did then. These are the rights that we fought for, and must fight for once again, against those that wish to destroy them.
From the lyrics:
... DARE to speak the truth. It WILL cost you however. But to do less will lead to the total loss of your right to speak at all.
Support all those that today are being censored, their speech "erased" from social media along with their income, losing their jobs and ostracized for merely speaking publicly. Call what they say "truth or fiction", ANY free speech today will extract a huge costs on the speakers. Support our bill of rights and fight those that wish to destroy it.
Gone is the ability to speak anything that does not comply with truth as defined by Facebook, Twitter, Google et al, and Amazon. As your "un-truth" words are erased, you may also lose your income and your career. It is a "long time coming " to speak out and demand support today for our bill of rights as they did then. These are the rights that we fought for, and must fight for once again, against those that wish to destroy them.
From the lyrics:
"Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness.
... You got to speak your mind
... If you dare"
kingart wrote:
... You got to speak your mind
... If you dare"
kingart wrote:
One would think that if anything it is no less brilliant because it remains as relevant and insightful as ever. Maybe more so, because it proves the acuity of some/much of the seminal music of the '60s and '70s.
... DARE to speak the truth. It WILL cost you however. But to do less will lead to the total loss of your right to speak at all.
Support all those that today are being censored, their speech "erased" from social media along with their income, losing their jobs and ostracized for merely speaking publicly. Call what they say "truth or fiction", ANY free speech today will extract a huge costs on the speakers. Support our bill of rights and fight those that wish to destroy it.
Very well said. Thanks for posting.
I dare you speak today and think it will not be very costly. Our bill or rights was celebrated during that era. However, those same rights have also given power to those that wish to destroy that bill of rights.
Gone is the ability to speak anything that does not comply with truth as defined by Facebook, Twitter, Google et al, and Amazon. As your "un-truth" words are erased, you may also lose your income and your career. It is a "long time coming " to speak out and demand support today for our bill of rights as they did then. These are the rights that we fought for, and must fight for once again, against those that wish to destroy them.
From the lyrics:
... DARE to speak the truth. It WILL cost you however. But to do less will lead to the total loss of your right to speak at all.
Support all those that today are being censored, their speech "erased" from social media along with their income, losing their jobs and ostracized for merely speaking publicly. Call what they say "truth or fiction", ANY free speech today will extract a huge costs on the speakers. Support our bill of rights and fight those that wish to destroy it.
Gone is the ability to speak anything that does not comply with truth as defined by Facebook, Twitter, Google et al, and Amazon. As your "un-truth" words are erased, you may also lose your income and your career. It is a "long time coming " to speak out and demand support today for our bill of rights as they did then. These are the rights that we fought for, and must fight for once again, against those that wish to destroy them.
From the lyrics:
"Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness.
... You got to speak your mind
... If you dare"
kingart wrote:
... You got to speak your mind
... If you dare"
kingart wrote:
One would think that if anything it is no less brilliant because it remains as relevant and insightful as ever. Maybe more so, because it proves the acuity of some/much of the seminal music of the '60s and '70s.
... DARE to speak the truth. It WILL cost you however. But to do less will lead to the total loss of your right to speak at all.
Support all those that today are being censored, their speech "erased" from social media along with their income, losing their jobs and ostracized for merely speaking publicly. Call what they say "truth or fiction", ANY free speech today will extract a huge costs on the speakers. Support our bill of rights and fight those that wish to destroy it.
miahfost wrote:
What earth shattering groups are you listening to?
Sorry, but this song sounds dated. It seems like a paen to the hippies, a sop to those who would grow their hair long. In the sixties, you did not have to do anything to change the world, just put on a record like this, smoke pot and talk about it. Well I for one am sick of that sound track.
What earth shattering groups are you listening to?
DrLex wrote:
33 likes and 1 dislike. I guess it must have been Trump himself. Who else would dislike it?
But don't try to get yourself elected.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
33 likes and 1 dislike. I guess it must have been Trump himself. Who else would dislike it?
Great album, especially Wooden Ships. Still sounds new and relevant
ppopp wrote:
Your time would be better spent working on producing something better.
These guys somewhat over-estimated their harmonies. They really over-do it.
Your time would be better spent working on producing something better.
These guys somewhat over-estimated their harmonies. They really over-do it.
amb599 wrote:
One would think that if anything it is no less brilliant because it remains as relevant and insightful as ever. Maybe more so, because it proves the acuity of some/much of the seminal music of the '60s and '70s. Our so-called leaders were wearing their asses for hats then -- and what has changed? Except for being bigger asses and having smaller hats.
I think unless you were around for the original release, this is kinda painful to listen to.
One would think that if anything it is no less brilliant because it remains as relevant and insightful as ever. Maybe more so, because it proves the acuity of some/much of the seminal music of the '60s and '70s. Our so-called leaders were wearing their asses for hats then -- and what has changed? Except for being bigger asses and having smaller hats.
amb599 wrote:
Couldn't wholeheartedly disagree more.
I think unless you were around for the original release, this is kinda painful to listen to.
Couldn't wholeheartedly disagree more.
.. seems to be a long time before the dawn..
49 years..?
Incredibly insightful lyrics
DrLex wrote:
Good find!
But don't try to get yourself elected.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
Good find!
annersjen wrote:
Just quibbling here, but I believe it is actually the darkest
Hmm, it depends on the phase of the moon:
"...During the two weeks following a new moon, it can be seen after sunset ā but not before sunrise. At such time, it is darker before dawn simply because the moon cannot be seen. After the middle of the lunar month, the moon will also be seen in the sky before sunrise, so that the hours just after sunset will be the darkest."
Just quibbling here, but I believe it is actually the darkest
Hmm, it depends on the phase of the moon:
"...During the two weeks following a new moon, it can be seen after sunset ā but not before sunrise. At such time, it is darker before dawn simply because the moon cannot be seen. After the middle of the lunar month, the moon will also be seen in the sky before sunrise, so that the hours just after sunset will be the darkest."
I think unless you were around for the original release, this is kinda painful to listen to.
Just once....I wish I could sing like this.
jsd52756 wrote:
Crosby's first solo album "If Only I Could Remember My Name" is not only a fantastic album but is also a sonic marvel.
Great song from a cool era. Phenomenal fidelity & sound stage as well. The recording engineer gets a 10 for sure.
Crosby's first solo album "If Only I Could Remember My Name" is not only a fantastic album but is also a sonic marvel.
GEM!
One of the albums that epitomised1960s music creativity. I know there were mny, but this one I can listen to all the time.
kingart wrote:
I highly recommend his autobiography, also called Long Time Gone.
I saw a David Crosby and Wynton Marsalis discussion the other night on PBS. Before an audience. I couldn't quite tell where it was, but I'd guess it was the Rose Theater in the Time Warner Center in NYC. Interesting to see Crosby mull and reminisce and confess to his self-imposed dope and ego difficulties. No matter what, he is rock and roll royalty and will be until his last day. Only a handful can trace their roots back as far as him, but at times he sounded the like old fart he used to decry. Happens to us all.
He still plays a sweet guitar.
He still plays a sweet guitar.
I highly recommend his autobiography, also called Long Time Gone.
I saw a David Crosby and Wynton Marsalis discussion the other night on PBS. Before an audience. I couldn't quite tell where it was, but I'd guess it was the Rose Theater in the Time Warner Center in NYC. Interesting to see Crosby mull and reminisce and confess to his self-imposed dope and ego difficulties. No matter what, he is rock and roll royalty and will be until his last day. Only a handful can trace their roots back as far as him, but at times he sounded the like old fart he used to decry. Happens to us all.
He still plays a sweet guitar.
He still plays a sweet guitar.
But don't try to get yourself elected.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
If you do you had better cut your hair.
rommesw wrote:
Usually one would say I am a little bit too young for this kind of music, not too much though, but its sooo great, it creates all these feelings music should create in my opinion (at least for me). So, I completely agree, it has passed the test of time ....
Not at all, I think you'd be the perfect opinion on that. Someone who may not have 'been there' at the time. If it still sounds good to new ears, well, that says it all :)
Usually one would say I am a little bit too young for this kind of music, not too much though, but its sooo great, it creates all these feelings music should create in my opinion (at least for me). So, I completely agree, it has passed the test of time ....
Not at all, I think you'd be the perfect opinion on that. Someone who may not have 'been there' at the time. If it still sounds good to new ears, well, that says it all :)
Only the chorus prevents this song from being magnificent. Repetitive stress.
mdfergy wrote:
Usually one would say I am a little bit too young for this kind of music, not too much though, but its sooo great, it creates all these feelings music should create in my opinion (at least for me). So, I completely agree, it has passed the test of time ....
This song and album have passed the test of time... both are still great 45 years later...
Usually one would say I am a little bit too young for this kind of music, not too much though, but its sooo great, it creates all these feelings music should create in my opinion (at least for me). So, I completely agree, it has passed the test of time ....
I saw Crosby and Nash in 1986 at Harrah's Resort in South Lake Tahoe, a pretty small, intimate venue.... just a few months after his release from prison . Crosby still had his prison haircut and spoke of his time locked up. Nice memory. (the show) His book "Long Time Gone" is an entertaining read if you are a fan. He has lived a nice life
This song appears to be a long time success, before and after the dawn. This has power in the lyrics. Still vibrant after all these years.....
This song and album have passed the test of time... both are still great 45 years later...
I used to steal this album from my brother's stash and listen to it while he was at hockey or football practice. Over and over and over again, lying on the floor with the speakers on either side of my head..... Good times!
Wow,
Who ever did what ever to the sound - thanks!
In the middle the song sound clicked and became much clearer, crisper.
Somewhere a switched was, well, switched.
Nice.
Who ever did what ever to the sound - thanks!
In the middle the song sound clicked and became much clearer, crisper.
Somewhere a switched was, well, switched.
Nice.
ountryrds wrote:
We cut our hair a long time ago and the dawn seems farther away now than ever.
Well, see, you didn't listen to the song, dude. You were supposed to, like, NOT cut your hair, man.
We cut our hair a long time ago and the dawn seems farther away now than ever.
Love David's voice on this song.
mrtuba9 wrote:
Well, here's one that'll make you say "WTF?":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PamO6obWcQk
Did they record another version of this?
Well, here's one that'll make you say "WTF?":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PamO6obWcQk
Great song from a cool era. Phenomenal fidelity & sound stage as well. The recording engineer gets a 10 for sure.
Did they record another version of this?
Stingray wrote:
10-plus
Johnny_Wave wrote:
Too young and too dumb (to know)!
Too long and too old.
Too young and too dumb (to know)!
10-plus
allmodcons wrote:
I just youtubed this song... I politely disagree.
There's a pretty good cover version of this one by Galliano. Maybe even better than the original...
I just youtubed this song... I politely disagree.
Johnny_Wave wrote:
Surely better than too short and too young
Too long and too old.
Surely better than too short and too young
.
There are other CSN songs I like better, but there is no denying that this is one of those songs that define an era.
There are other CSN songs I like better, but there is no denying that this is one of those songs that define an era.
Johnny_Wave wrote:
Too long and too old.
Too long and too old.
There's a pretty good cover version of this one by Galliano. Maybe even better than the original...
CSN; no Y. Few songs give me goosebumps. Oh, those days.
Second song today from this LP!
On_The_Beach wrote:
Correct. Should be:
Just to repeat, y'all, while you argue about this song, the 60s and the difficulties of social change from below: this song is NOT on "Deja Vu", it's on "Crosby, Stills, & Nash."
Mr. Bill Goldsmith, could you correct the error on this RP page?
I've forgotten which RPer commented that many CSN songs haven't dated well without Neil Young. I gotta agree. CSN had great harmonies but many of their songs seem unstructured and too unfocused. I remember trying hard to like "CSN" as a teen in the late 70s and getting impatient with this song and "Pre-Road Downs" and...
Obviously there are huge exceptions: "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" is still and always will be incredible. Just my two-penny take. When CSN get it right, with or without Y, they hit it out of the park. I always felt that CSNY was more driving and memorable. Loved "Deja Vu."
1/30/14 edit:
That_SOB wrote:
"Regardless of how all this came out , it was the energy and the dream that may never be reproduced again anywhere. If you haven't just said NO to your draft board your unlikley to understand."
My friends and I--again, teens in the 70s--burned with envy at the people who'd experienced the 60s full-bore. There was this hope that the 80s would bring back the grassroots liberal politics of the 60s (bitter, wild laughter in my head while recalling this naïveté, our American version of a Prague Spring). That got squelched pretty quickly when we realized that Ron Reagan was going to be elected and that he and his handlers like Mike Deaver were the MASTERS of TV spin.
I still believe in this country and Bill Clinton's campaign slogan that "there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America." But I believe popular protest and even reasonable civil disobedience are necessary and welcome means of bringing about change. As imperfect as CSN's music could be, it inspired people to stand up and become involved in America's politics despite an often unresponsive and occasionally hostile federal government.
Correct. Should be:
Just to repeat, y'all, while you argue about this song, the 60s and the difficulties of social change from below: this song is NOT on "Deja Vu", it's on "Crosby, Stills, & Nash."
Mr. Bill Goldsmith, could you correct the error on this RP page?
I've forgotten which RPer commented that many CSN songs haven't dated well without Neil Young. I gotta agree. CSN had great harmonies but many of their songs seem unstructured and too unfocused. I remember trying hard to like "CSN" as a teen in the late 70s and getting impatient with this song and "Pre-Road Downs" and...
Obviously there are huge exceptions: "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" is still and always will be incredible. Just my two-penny take. When CSN get it right, with or without Y, they hit it out of the park. I always felt that CSNY was more driving and memorable. Loved "Deja Vu."
1/30/14 edit:
That_SOB wrote:
"Regardless of how all this came out , it was the energy and the dream that may never be reproduced again anywhere. If you haven't just said NO to your draft board your unlikley to understand."
My friends and I--again, teens in the 70s--burned with envy at the people who'd experienced the 60s full-bore. There was this hope that the 80s would bring back the grassroots liberal politics of the 60s (bitter, wild laughter in my head while recalling this naïveté, our American version of a Prague Spring). That got squelched pretty quickly when we realized that Ron Reagan was going to be elected and that he and his handlers like Mike Deaver were the MASTERS of TV spin.
I still believe in this country and Bill Clinton's campaign slogan that "there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America." But I believe popular protest and even reasonable civil disobedience are necessary and welcome means of bringing about change. As imperfect as CSN's music could be, it inspired people to stand up and become involved in America's politics despite an often unresponsive and occasionally hostile federal government.
This appears to be a long song. Bit too long.
It has been a long time coming, indeed ... and the dawn still isn't here.
I told my draft board I was a conscientious objector...they gave me a 1A instead. Thank god for college deferments... and this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg0v0Er8Ak
Live with Tom Jones.
Live with Tom Jones.
drcrnp wrote:
Amen my brother
That_SOB wrote:
Exactly. Well put.
That_SOB wrote:
johnjconn wrote:
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
I believe your mind needs corrective lenses. CS&N with Y on occasion, were the foundation of a generation.
Dylan and the Stones were there, as were Hendrix and the Beatles. There is nothing on this earth that can bring
back the beliefs, experiments, confrontations, the challenge to change. Regardless of how all this came out , it
was the energy and the dream that may never be reproduced again anywhere. If you haven't just said NO to your
draft board your unlikley to understand.
Exactly. Well put.
sharkartist wrote:
Yes, I think that, too.
I'll never forget the haunting feeling that came over me and sent chills up my spine the first time I heard this song when it came out. Still evokes that distant emotional sensation to this day.
Yes, I think that, too.
Not entirely into CS&N...but I do like this tune. Would love to jam with these guys and stay up late drinking and laughing. Sound fun? Anyone want to join me?
Shut your eyes and you are back 1969 Woodstock
Oh that's good!
For some reason for a short moment I thought about Cathedral, but this is Crosby, Still, Nash and Young, isn't it?
For some reason for a short moment I thought about Cathedral, but this is Crosby, Still, Nash and Young, isn't it?
Amen my brother
That_SOB wrote:
That_SOB wrote:
johnjconn wrote:
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
I believe your mind needs corrective lenses. CS&N with Y on occasion, were the foundation of a generation.
Dylan and the Stones were there, as were Hendrix and the Beatles. There is nothing on this earth that can bring
back the beliefs, experiments, confrontations, the challenge to change. Regardless of how all this came out , it
was the energy and the dream that may never be reproduced again anywhere. If you haven't just said NO to your
draft board your unlikley to understand.
johnjconn wrote:
Myopic at best; tragically passive saturation from life in sound bytes at worst.
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
Myopic at best; tragically passive saturation from life in sound bytes at worst.
That_SOB wrote:
So, from your words which have been emboldened: this is dated, and/or could be said to have not "aged well". To me, that doesn't mean it should be "retired", however.
johnjconn wrote:
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
I believe your mind needs corrective lenses. CS&N with Y on occasion, were the foundation of a generation. Dylan and the Stones were there, as were Hendrix and the Beatles. There is nothing on this earth that can bring back the beliefs, experiments, confrontations, the challenge to change. Regardless of how all this came out , it was the energy and the dream that may never be reproduced again anywhere. If you haven't just said NO to your draft board your unlikley to understand.
So, from your words which have been emboldened: this is dated, and/or could be said to have not "aged well". To me, that doesn't mean it should be "retired", however.
johnjconn wrote:
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
I believe your mind needs corrective lenses. CS&N with Y on occasion, were the foundation of a generation.
Dylan and the Stones were there, as were Hendrix and the Beatles. There is nothing on this earth that can bring
back the beliefs, experiments, confrontations, the challenge to change. Regardless of how all this came out , it
was the energy and the dream that may never be reproduced again anywhere. If you haven't just said NO to your
draft board your unlikley to understand.
My son's name is Graham David: you know how important these gentlemen are to me and my wife (he's now 28) : saw them or some combination of them 9 times: every time an experience. by the way, Bill, wrong album cover: you need the first album BLADERUNNER wrote:
Misterfixit.......as a member of the in-between generation of the 60's (i was 16 when Nixon was elected), i have to agree with you whole-heartedly!!!
simply put, you had to be there to appreciate the kind of folk music that CS&N (and later Y) and others were producing. Woodstock defined my adolescence and my generation. it's like us saying the Great Depression was no big deal, but to our parents and grandparents it defined them. 'nuff said
Misterfixit.......as a member of the in-between generation of the 60's (i was 16 when Nixon was elected), i have to agree with you whole-heartedly!!!
simply put, you had to be there to appreciate the kind of folk music that CS&N (and later Y) and others were producing. Woodstock defined my adolescence and my generation. it's like us saying the Great Depression was no big deal, but to our parents and grandparents it defined them. 'nuff said
johnjconn wrote:
d-don wrote:
Couldn't disagree with this more.
Nicely coated with patina. Now how about that?
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
d-don wrote:
Couldn't disagree with this more.
Nicely coated with patina. Now how about that?
johnjconn wrote:
Couldn't disagree with this more.
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
Couldn't disagree with this more.
Golden song !
agkagk wrote:
I disagree. This music is timeless, and this album is one of the greatest albums of all time.
And that's why we listen to RP. LOVE this song—it takes me back to a time that was so much less complicated (for me, anyway)! And right, it's not from the album shown, as I remember (I have it in the basement, but too tired to go dig it out).
I disagree. This music is timeless, and this album is one of the greatest albums of all time.
And that's why we listen to RP. LOVE this song—it takes me back to a time that was so much less complicated (for me, anyway)! And right, it's not from the album shown, as I remember (I have it in the basement, but too tired to go dig it out).
kaybee wrote:
I am already 60 and if I looked anything like David's picture below, I think I would euthanize myself!
Ah but I don't your ride has matched his pace! We all age and some slower than others but really euthanize yourself because of your looks. Are you serious, eh?
I am already 60 and if I looked anything like David's picture below, I think I would euthanize myself!
Ah but I don't your ride has matched his pace! We all age and some slower than others but really euthanize yourself because of your looks. Are you serious, eh?
LowPhreak wrote:
David Crosby is going to be 68 this month (Aug. 14). Let's see what you look like when you're in your 60's-70's.
I am already 60 and if I looked anything like David's picture below, I think I would euthanize myself!
David Crosby is going to be 68 this month (Aug. 14). Let's see what you look like when you're in your 60's-70's.
I am already 60 and if I looked anything like David's picture below, I think I would euthanize myself!
QuestionMark wrote:
Correct. Should be:
I do belive this was before Mr. Young was part of this group...
Correct. Should be:
I do belive this was before Mr. Young was part of this group...
johnjconn wrote:
I disagree. This music is timeless, and this album is one of the greatest albums of all time.
Like most CSN songs, this hasn't aged well.
Time to retire this one Bill
Time to retire this one Bill
I disagree. This music is timeless, and this album is one of the greatest albums of all time.
johnjconn wrote:
I have to say I agree here. Though I do like most CSN tunes...this one hasn't aged too well.
This song was groovie in the 60's
It was "keen" in the 70's
By the time the 80's came around, it start getting lame, fur sur
In the 90's only a remake by a grunge band would work
During the 00's it was like , so yesterday
Today, it's kind of boring
It was "keen" in the 70's
By the time the 80's came around, it start getting lame, fur sur
In the 90's only a remake by a grunge band would work
During the 00's it was like , so yesterday
Today, it's kind of boring
I have to say I agree here. Though I do like most CSN tunes...this one hasn't aged too well.
I found the version of this with Tom Jones and CSN &Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg0v0Er8Ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg0v0Er8Ak
Great song; wrong album cover on the page, I think.
long long time nice time
Still a great tune.
Misterfixit wrote:
I disagree. First, you had to have lived in those troubled times; second, you must listen to the words and understand that they are NOT about what may be obvious; to be trite, there is a deeper meaning to this song than can be fathomed on the first or even the tenth listening. This song and the singing poetry goes deep into the collective consciences of the America people of that time. The late 1960's were a terrible time and a wonderful time at the same time.The insane war in Vietnam and the breath-taking open-mindedness and hope of most of the youth of that day. Well, I guess you just had to be there. I know, I sure was.
Misterfixit.......as a member of the in-between generation of the 60's (i was 16 when Nixon was elected), i have to agree with you whole-heartedly!!!
simply put, you had to be there to appreciate the kind of folk music that CS&N (and later Y) and others were producing. Woodstock defined my adolescence and my generation. it's like us saying the Great Depression was no big deal, but to our parents and grandparents it defined them. 'nuff said
I disagree. First, you had to have lived in those troubled times; second, you must listen to the words and understand that they are NOT about what may be obvious; to be trite, there is a deeper meaning to this song than can be fathomed on the first or even the tenth listening. This song and the singing poetry goes deep into the collective consciences of the America people of that time. The late 1960's were a terrible time and a wonderful time at the same time.The insane war in Vietnam and the breath-taking open-mindedness and hope of most of the youth of that day. Well, I guess you just had to be there. I know, I sure was.
Misterfixit.......as a member of the in-between generation of the 60's (i was 16 when Nixon was elected), i have to agree with you whole-heartedly!!!
simply put, you had to be there to appreciate the kind of folk music that CS&N (and later Y) and others were producing. Woodstock defined my adolescence and my generation. it's like us saying the Great Depression was no big deal, but to our parents and grandparents it defined them. 'nuff said
miahfost wrote:
Don't look now, but the hippies are back. This time round we know how the movie ends, at least.
Sorry, but this song sounds dated. It seems like a paen to the hippies, a sop to those who would grow their hair long. In the sixties, you did not have to do anything to change the world, just put on a record like this, smoke pot and talk about it. Well I for one am sick of that sound track.
Don't look now, but the hippies are back. This time round we know how the movie ends, at least.
annersjen wrote:
Just quibbling here, but I believe it is actually the darkest
Continuing the quibble, the darkest hour is going to be when where you are on earth is facing directly away from the sun. That occurs from around 11 pm to 1 or 2 am, depending on daylight savings time and where you are in your time zone. From that point on, there will be increasing light in the east as the earth rotates. This is assuming that by "dawn", you mean sunrise.
Just quibbling here, but I believe it is actually the darkest
Continuing the quibble, the darkest hour is going to be when where you are on earth is facing directly away from the sun. That occurs from around 11 pm to 1 or 2 am, depending on daylight savings time and where you are in your time zone. From that point on, there will be increasing light in the east as the earth rotates. This is assuming that by "dawn", you mean sunrise.
miahfost wrote:
I disagree. First, you had to have lived in those troubled times; second, you must listen to the words and understand that they are NOT about what may be obvious; to be trite, there is a deeper meaning to this song than can be fathomed on the first or even the tenth listening. This song and the singing poetry goes deep into the collective consciences of the America people of that time. The late 1960's were a terrible time and a wonderful time at the same time.The insane war in Vietnam and the breath-taking open-mindedness and hope of most of the youth of that day. Well, I guess you just had to be there. I know, I sure was.
Sorry, but this song sounds dated. It seems like a paen to the hippies, a sop to those who would grow their hair long. In the sixties, you did not have to do anything to change the world, just put on a record like this, smoke pot and talk about it. Well I for one am sick of that sound track.
I disagree. First, you had to have lived in those troubled times; second, you must listen to the words and understand that they are NOT about what may be obvious; to be trite, there is a deeper meaning to this song than can be fathomed on the first or even the tenth listening. This song and the singing poetry goes deep into the collective consciences of the America people of that time. The late 1960's were a terrible time and a wonderful time at the same time.The insane war in Vietnam and the breath-taking open-mindedness and hope of most of the youth of that day. Well, I guess you just had to be there. I know, I sure was.
I believe that this album is their best. But with CSN&Y it's hard to decide. Anyway, the phrase "Speak out against the madness" echos the tragedy of the anti-Vietnam War times.
soundlife wrote:
Someone Has Blundered: "Long Time Gone" was on the album "Crosby, Stills and Nash", not "Deja Vu". I really prefer the latter.
"CSN" was a great album, but I never liked this song: it's very loosely structured and the lyrics don't seem to be about much of anything. Neil Young made CSN a better group with more focused lyrics when he joined in.
Yes ... Long time is gone but I still love this album!!!!
Someone Has Blundered: "Long Time Gone" was on the album "Crosby, Stills and Nash", not "Deja Vu". I really prefer the latter.
"CSN" was a great album, but I never liked this song: it's very loosely structured and the lyrics don't seem to be about much of anything. Neil Young made CSN a better group with more focused lyrics when he joined in.
Snore, this is suicidal music . . repetitive with no harmony at all. Awful
It's been a long time playing. Too long.
Long time gone, but this song remains lovely...
Rooney wrote:
Hey, not sayin' I disagreed with your statement; just that I didn't say it.
Okay, perhaps I was a little harsh....A little hostile, even. Stephen Stills really did look like a
Zobie poster boy. David looked a little healthier. That being said, I still love their music.
I'll always be a fan of the 60's-70's CSNY.
Zobie poster boy. David looked a little healthier. That being said, I still love their music.
I'll always be a fan of the 60's-70's CSNY.
Hey, not sayin' I disagreed with your statement; just that I didn't say it.
Okay, perhaps I was a little harsh....A little hostile, even. Stephen Stills really did look like a
Zobie poster boy. David looked a little healthier. That being said, I still love their music.
I'll always be a fan of the 60's-70's CSNY.
Zobie poster boy. David looked a little healthier. That being said, I still love their music.
I'll always be a fan of the 60's-70's CSNY.
Rooney wrote:
Don't be afraid of the dark...
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Not sure how these replies to replies to replies get mixed up, but for the record I posted the photos but didn't make any subsequent comments, particularly the one in bold green type, above (from Rooney). Cheers.
- OTB
On_The_Beach didn't write:
Even I, on my worst days possible don't look that bad. Gazooks and crimeney!!!!!!!! And holy sh*t bricks, Batman.
Don't be afraid of the dark...
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Not sure how these replies to replies to replies get mixed up, but for the record I posted the photos but didn't make any subsequent comments, particularly the one in bold green type, above (from Rooney). Cheers.
- OTB
Rooney wrote:
On_The_Beach wrote:
Even I, on my worst days possible don't look that bad. Gazooks and crimeney!!!!!!!! And holy sh*t bricks, Batman.
Don't be afraid of the dark...
On_The_Beach wrote:
Even I, on my worst days possible don't look that bad. Gazooks and crimeney!!!!!!!! And holy sh*t bricks, Batman.
Don't be afraid of the dark...
On_The_Beach wrote:
WayUpNorth wrote:
Now and then.
Luckily for us "non-celebrities", we get to age in private.
To look at them now, they're like the poster children for the ravages of drugs + booze + time.
Now and then.
Luckily for us "non-celebrities", we get to age in private.
Even I, on my worst days possible don't look that bad. Gazooks and crimeney!!!!!!!! And holy sh*t bricks, Batman.
Yes ... Long time is gone but I still love this album!!!!
Superb!
If you will say the same thing about the music you listen to today in 40/50 years as well, great, I will be happy for you!