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cc_rider

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 9:22am
RASPUTIN wrote: You're working under the assumption that words work on everybody. Perzactly. Sometimes 'sticks and stones' are the only things that get a person's attention.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 9:18am
miamizsun wrote: 15 times? Wow. Realistically at two or three his insurance company or DRO, would have negated his coverage invalidating his license to drive and initiating some couseling/therapy. You're working under the assumption that words work on everybody.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 9:18am

Here's how I picture anarchy happening:

• Natural or man made event occurs - disables communications and almost all electricity

• Food, water, medical, fuel and basic resources are exhausted

• Government and military begins to dissolve

• The elderly and sick are the first to begin dying - numbers in the millions.

• Hundreds of thousands die in civil unrest

• Gangs battle over resources and territory

• Military still controls some population centers but splinters into factions

• Disease and starvation begin to further reduce populations by the millions

• Armies of gangs and military factions consolidate and fight for regional control

• Population of US down to several million based around resource centers and survivable climates

• War dies down as last survivors struggle to locate food and medicine

• Small tribes form and become semi-organized

• Social, civil and political structures begin to appear and anarchy gradually ends

• Various governments begin to reform, mostly military dictatorships with some quasi-democracies

miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 9:15am

Beaker wrote:

Case One: Serial drunk driver.

Caught and convicted 15 times of drunk driving. Hasn't killed anyone yet. Might have banged up their own car, but has done no damage to anyone else's property.

Your verdict is which: jail 'em or let 'em go?

15 times? Wow.

Realistically at two or three his insurance company or DRO, would have negated his coverage invalidating his license to drive and initiating some couseling/therapy.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 8:34am
This is why not....

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 8:06am

Beaker wrote:

At 15 convictions, it's obvious that he has little respect for the law, or the potential consequences of his actions. Prison is not going to work. 6 months working in A&E cleaning up the mess that results from drunk drivers might.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 7:59am
Beaker wrote: Case One: Serial drunk driver. Caught and convicted 15 times of drunk driving. Hasn't killed anyone yet. Might have banged up their own car, but has done no damage to anyone else's property. Your verdict is which: jail 'em or let 'em go? Has he cause injury or damage to someone's property? If so, look up "indentured servitude." I'm fer it.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2011 - 5:27am

Beaker wrote:

Which laws result in the most offenders behind bars? Which laws do you think should be struck/voided and the associated incarcerated folks set free?

I could remove a tumor 1/3 the size of the patient here.

First, all non-violent criminals should be released. How can an offender make restitution if they're behind bars? They can't, and they become a financial liability actually burdening the victims/society even more.

Victimless crimes are a no-brainer, let them go.

Drug offenders, outta there.

Legalization of all drugs.

Be a good start, no?

Regards

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 9:47am
Anarchy will fail for the same reason every kind of government fails. Government, or no, locks are for honest people.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:47am

Proclivities wrote:

I agree that the war on drugs and things like mandatory minimum sentencing (brought about partly by polticos' desire to appear to be 'tough on crime') have greatly increased felony convictions - I think they've almost quadrupled since 1980 - though I cannot find the sources of that. About 25% of those detained or on probation or parole are in those states due to drug-related crimes so I understand the desire to legalize certain controlled substances, but there are other countries with much stricter drug laws which do not have anywhere near the per capita amounts of drug-related convicts that the US has. I believe I know what you're getting at in some ways though. The amount of "non-violent" convictions is increasing while violent crime and/or property crime is actually decreasing somewhat since the 1990's - that could partially be due to "new laws", etc. To surmise that "the cause of convictions and incarcerations is the passing of laws" is putting the cart before the horse in some ways. According to most figures I could find, about half of those incarcerated are there because of committing violent crimes - I suppose if manslaughter, assault, murder, and rape were legalized, then the people committing those acts would not be incarcerated.

-Regards, Happy Monday {#Good-vibes}

Because, like I said, incarceration is big business in the US. Run by private industries like KBR, many people are employed, especially in small towns, where the local prison may be the only source of jobs.

If drug laws are removed, and the jails aren't filled, where will the people work? Same with the military.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:46am
oldslabsides wrote: here's a chart for ya... Thanks, those are the figures I was thinking of.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:44am

Proclivities wrote:

here's a chart for ya...

HazzeSwede

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:43am
beamends wrote: Is that "Three strikes and you're out" thing still going? You askin bout YouTube ? Three Strikes and YouTube out

Proclivities

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:42am

miamizsun wrote:

I'm open, let's hear it.

Have you looked at your state budget lately?

There is a direct correlation/causation between laws, rules and regs passed and those who are punished for violation.

Regards

I agree that the war on drugs and things like mandatory minimum sentencing (brought about partly by polticos' desire to appear to be 'tough on crime') have greatly increased felony convictions - I think they've almost quadrupled since 1980 - though I cannot find the sources of that. About 25% of those detained or on probation or parole are in those states due to drug charges, so I understand the desire to legalize certain controlled substances, but there are other countries with much stricter drug laws which do not have anywhere near the per capita amounts of drug-related convicts that the US has. I believe I know what you're getting at in some ways though. The amount of "non-violent" convictions is increasing while violent crime and/or property crime is actually decreasing somewhat since the 1990's - that could partially be due to "new laws", etc. To surmise that "the cause of convictions and incarcerations is the passing of laws" is putting the cart before the horse in some ways. According to most figures I could find, about half of those incarcerated are there because of committing violent crimes - I suppose if manslaughter, assault, murder, and rape were legalized, then the people committing those acts would not be incarcerated.

-Regards, Happy Monday {#Good-vibes}

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:40am
beamends wrote: Is that "Three strikes and you're out" thing still going? ayup. and locking people up for smoking a weed. it's beyond idiotic.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:37am
HazzeSwede wrote: True ??? Incarceration rate: Isn't it amazing that the USA is No. 1? Is that "Three strikes and you're out" thing still going?

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:32am
Beaker wrote: Which laws result in the most offenders behind bars? Which laws do you think should be struck/voided and the associated incarcerated folks set free? first on my list would be laws prohibiting what a person can ingest into their own body.

hippiechick

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:28am
Incarceration is an industry in the US, employing a lot of people. Major crimes are related to drug offenses. That is why we still have drug laws on the books.

HazzeSwede

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 8:19am
True ??? Incarceration rate: Isn't it amazing that the USA is No. 1?

miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 3, 2011 - 7:45am
Proclivities wrote: That is a thoroughly false dichotomy: there are infinitely more than two explanations for the amount of incarcerated persons in the US. I'm open, let's hear it. Have you looked at your state budget lately? There is a direct correlation/causation between laws, rules and regs passed and those who are punished for violation. Regards

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Three Strikes and YouTube out

Incarceration rate: Isn't it amazing that the USA is No. 1?

Incarceration rate: Isn't it amazing that the USA is No. 1?