miamizsun wrote: 
I imagine you're engaging in hyperbole because that is a thoroughly false dichotomy: there are many more than two explanations or reasons for the numbers of incarcerated persons in the US.

 miamizsun wrote: 
No political leadership? If that would be the case, there would be no need for Government. And that means someone with a bigger gun would rule until someone toppled them and so on. Remove all laws and see what happens. Do we have too many laws? Probably. Do we have too many regulations? Most definitely. As for those incarcerated, think of what they would do unfettered? Laws did not stop them but laws confine them and in doing so protect all others.
The absence of Government is a complete absence of order. No local Government during a crisis, to see that essential services are provided and performed and what would happen? Before long, you would be neck deep in trash, fearing for your very existence, looking for someone to establish order and not through force.

 Beaker wrote: 
that's true. my neighbors and i are armed as well. nothing is completely theft proof. i view it like a website or computer, if a bad guy is going to take the time it needs to justify the risk.

looting someone's home is dangerous business, there are better ways to make a living.

regards

 beamends wrote: 
its still open and enter. just about skills.the final algorithm defeats the purpose.you are just right,I was wandering among codecs ,still am.They really hit the ear like the guy on the marketplace 
saying   WIN HERE.

 Beaker wrote: 
Nope! Though you are right in one detail relating to getting in the office.

 miamizsun wrote: 
As do we, of course. When I say 'defeat' I mean render useless - which can simply mean ignoring them. There is an assumption that crooks are dumb people who are scared of the sight of their own shadow. That may be true of the amateur, or the junkie looking for the funds for a fix, but the career crook is smart, often way smarter than their victim. A security system just offers a challenge, which they relish. If they put as much effort into running a legit business, they'd probably be millionaires. They never burgle without researching their target, they find out what they are up against.

I have a mate who started out as a bad-un but has mended his ways, I'll call him Dan (and he is on his way to that million now). When I first opened my business I had a large, modern (just built) industrial unit. I got him in as a security consultant. The side door was steel. It locked with a good quality padlock behind a steel cover that prevented any access with tools. There was also a 'hidden' (probably more accurate to say non-obvious) bolt. The roller shutter door was always pulled 'closed' as much as possible (to prevent lifting with a bar, a mistake many make) and bolted and padlocked both sides on the inside. The window (there was only one window, in the office) was 10mm laminated glass with bars, the bars being close enough together to prevent access by a child (another thing most overlook - crooks often run a family businesses). The unit was armed with a movement alarm. Inside, my tools (welder, gas axe etc) were in a steel framed mesh cage rag bolted to the floor, obviously locked too. The internal office also had a secure internal window, and a locked door. The office roof was steel sheet. Dan checked all this for me, and we made a few mods (like grinding the tool cage bolts to prevent them being undone). My insurers were more than happy. I got a significant premium reduction.

The day after the insurance inspection I opened up and sat at my desk to find a little note from Dan. "Hi, made a cup of tea. Hope that's ok". There was no damage at all to the unit, and all the security measures were intact.

So todays quiz is - how did he get in? All I'll say now it that it's so bloody obvious no one would think of it.

 HazzeSwede wrote: 
Here , they come damn fast.       I used to hang wall paper and I would  accidentally trip the alarms on occasion.  You better be who you are and doing what you say you're doing.   

and of course in the rural south as elsewhere, it's good to be kin to the right people.

 miamizsun wrote: 
Well..not true..dumb of me to say how..right.

Anyhoo, how long for anyone to respond and be at the location ?  Yeah yeah ..depends on how far etc ! Forgetaboutit !

 beamends wrote: 

this is essentially a non-issue, we have sophisticated inexpensive security systems with wireless battery backups that are all but impossible to defeat.

 musik_knut wrote: 
I respectfully disagree, completely.

To the board....

In America, we're cranking out about 70,000 pages of laws, rules and regs each year. We have about 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's (incarcerated) prison population. So either Americans are really a bunch of domestic criminals like Homeland Security spouts, or our Government "control grid" set up by our political leaders is wildly out of control.

I don't think many read the article I posted. This is evidenced by the "good" Pelosi, Bush, Obama and Boehner have established, and that they must know with much more certainty what is better for you and yours. Let's all admit that we couldn't possibly know what is best for us and our lives, and praise the corrupt politicos for taking the time to lay it all out for us.

Anarchy simply means without political leadership, it doesn't mean complete and total chaos and roaming gangs of well armed motorcyclists running roughshod over little old ladies and children.

The larger more important point, I think, is that people are duped their entire lives to believing that government force, aggression, coercion and murder is absolutely necessary to organize society. Why else would we give a group of people the authority to initiate violence to comply with their corrupt system? Relationships should be voluntary. You would never dream of forcing someone to marry(kidnapping), work(slavery), and/or to hand over justly acquired property at gunpoint(theft & robbery).

If anyone but Government gangs did this, we'd immediately recognize it for the crime that it is. A lifetime of basting in propaganda has convinced the masses war is peace, up is down, black is white, theft and murder are moral if the proper green or blue costume is donned/worn.

If we don't start speaking up (I'm scared I'll end up on a list or the IRS will audit me if I protest, etc.) expect the cancer to spread.

Peace

 HazzeSwede wrote: 
Now, I'm proud.  Thanks!
The  old bottle of spray ammonia has its merits as well.

 HazzeSwede wrote: 
Now that is a deterrent!

 duchamp wrote: 
Carpet-beater was my Grannies' preferred weapon !

 beamends wrote: 
Since I'm ultimately a proponent of the upper-paleolithic hunter-gatherer society, a fixed, unoccupied abode is something that would be rare indeed.

 HazzeSwede wrote: 
Silly, you know Grannies prefer Butcher knives, knitting needles, or their own special mushroom soup over those heavy and smelly Magnums.

 oldslabsides wrote: 
The original point was about unoccupied houses in a anarchic state with no police. I should imagine just about everyone has a prepared defence when in - I have the heavy end of a two-piece pool cue and my electric guitar.

 oldslabsides wrote: 


  I think it has been '' civilized '' too long in some places.  My great-grandfather took a Yankee bullet in the knee and I used to kick up arrow heads walking to school. I grew up where people took care of their own and thankfully I still live in a place with that mindset. 

 

 miamizsun wrote: 
A 'professional' crook would know the likely response time. They might be unlucky, but probably not. They would also know, in the no Police scenario, that when they had done the job they would be away scott-free. Most insurers over here will insist on an alarm being installed (or a huge premium). When they first came out it put the crooks off, for a couple of months, until the internal prison education system spread the word about how to defeat them. The only advantage now of having one now is that the amateur crook will go for a house without an alarm first. The 'professional' won't be much bothered if the pickings are good.

 oldslabsides wrote: 
Yeah,I'v told Granny to stay inside,me and my posse will deliver the food !

 beamends wrote: 
Criminals prefer unoccupied houses and unarmed victims.  In the instance you describe, the prepared defense has a huge advantage.