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sirdroseph

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Posted: Sep 11, 2013 - 4:13am
HazzeSwede wrote: I guess a bigger part of the population are using just that,a larger scale.. So I take it that you mean you are pleased with US foreign policy over the last 25 years? I reckon you have a much more tolerant nature than I do.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2013 - 2:50am
kurtster wrote: On a larger scale, how is the world doing as a whole in these past 25 years, with the US leading the way ? I guess a bigger part of the population are using just that,a larger scale..

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 5:00pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

my best mate from university recently did a post-grad course at Princeton and got a pretty good glimpse at Ivy League political thought structures. His conclusion was kind of sobering:
The reality is none of us really get a good footing on what is going on in the minds of the ruling elite in the USA.
They are not stupid but can be myopic (not necessarily mutually exclusive) and seem to have their own slant on things in an almost ivory-tower kind of way. Their view of the world economy is astonishingly free of the kind of parochial favoring of the USA that most of us acuse them of. Yet at the same time, they favor a kind of economics that is a very US-type of laissez-faire keep the corporations happy kind of thing. Maybe they know more than we do, but as a result, the US domestic economy is well, not exactly glistening, yet the global economy is ticking along nicely, very much to the benefit of the Chinese.

How that is meant to work in the US national interest I don't know, but then again, maybe they know more than me. Quite likely, in fact. Maybe somebody somewhere is making hork loads of money. I dunno.

I will not parse your grammar. I appreciate your observations.

The Ivy League took over our government in 1988 with the election of Bush 41 and has run it ever since. Here we are 25 years later. The US has gone from a decent and secure place to live to a bloody shambles in this time.

In these 25 years, we have heard over and over again the excuse of unintended consequences. Are they unintended because of the observed myopia or deliberate ? Either way, the Ivy League has been in charge.

On a larger scale, how is the world doing as a whole in these past 25 years, with the US leading the way ?

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 4:22pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

my best mate from university recently did a post-grad course at Princeton and got a pretty good glimpse at Ivy League political thought structures. His conclusion was kind of sobering:
The reality is none of us really get a good footing on what is going on in the minds of the ruling elite in the USA.
They are not stupid but can be myopic (not necessarily mutually exclusive) and seem to have their own slant on things in an almost ivory-tower kind of way. Their view of the world economy is astonishingly free of the kind of parochial favoring of the USA that most of us acuse them of. Yet at the same time, they favor a kind of economics that is a very US-type of laissez-faire keep the corporations happy kind of thing. Maybe they know more than we do, but as a result, the US domestic economy is well, not exactly glistening, yet the global economy is ticking along nicely, very much to the benefit of the Chinese.

How that is meant to work in the US national interest I don't know, but then again, maybe they know more than me. Quite likely, in fact. Maybe somebody somewhere is making hork loads of money. I dunno.

Band name: horkload.

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 4:08pm

hobiejoe wrote:

And the 40th anniversary of the outsourcing of US foreign (and indeed domestic) policy to the Chicago school of economics.

Gosh. That's worked well.

my best mate from university recently did a post-grad course at Princeton and got a pretty good glimpse at Ivy League political thought structures. His conclusion was kind of sobering:
The reality is none of us really get a good footing on what is going on in the minds of the ruling elite in the USA.
They are not stupid but can be myopic (not necessarily mutually exclusive) and seem to have their own slant on things in an almost ivory-tower kind of way. Their view of the world economy is astonishingly free of the kind of parochial favoring of the USA that most of us acuse them of. Yet at the same time, they favor a kind of economics that is a very US-type of laissez-faire keep the corporations happy kind of thing. Maybe they know more than we do, but as a result, the US domestic economy is well, not exactly glistening, yet the global economy is ticking along nicely, very much to the benefit of the Chinese.

How that is meant to work in the US national interest I don't know, but then again, maybe they know more than me. Quite likely, in fact. Maybe somebody somewhere is making hork loads of money. I dunno.

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 2:59pm

RichardPrins wrote:

"Make the Economy Scream": Secret Documents Show Nixon, Kissinger Role Backing 1973 Chile Coup | Democracy Now!

We continue our coverage of the 40th anniversary of the overthrow of Chilean President Salvador Allende with a look at the critical U.S. role under President Richard Nixon and his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger. Peter Kornbluh, who spearheaded the effort to declassify more than 20,000 secret documents that revealed the role of the CIA and the White House in the Chilean coup, discusses how Nixon and Kissinger backed the Chilean military’s ouster of Allende and then offered critical support as it committed atrocities to cement its newfound rule.

And the 40th anniversary of the outsourcing of US foreign (and indeed domestic) policy to the Chicago school of economics.

Gosh. That's worked well.

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 2:38pm
Red_Dragon wrote: i know right

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 2:18pm
miamizsun wrote: arguably the most powerful man on earth at the time (really any US President and we can't forget the CIA involvement) sponsoring coercion, corporatism and murder (atrocities) rotten to the core someone, anyone please tell us again why we should think that our leaders are legit or why anyone in their right mind would trust these jack weasels

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 2:13pm

RichardPrins wrote:

"Make the Economy Scream": Secret Documents Show Nixon, Kissinger Role Backing 1973 Chile Coup | Democracy Now!

arguably the most powerful man on earth at the time (really any US President and we can't forget the CIA involvement)

sponsoring coercion, corporatism and murder (atrocities)

rotten to the core

someone, anyone please tell us again why we should think that our leaders are legit

or why anyone in their right mind would trust these jack weasels

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Posted: Sep 10, 2013 - 12:46pm

"Make the Economy Scream": Secret Documents Show Nixon, Kissinger Role Backing 1973 Chile Coup | Democracy Now!

Proclivities

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 6:31pm
RichardPrins wrote: I can ignore the second part of the slogan, because my overlap with them is mostly with the free minds bit (though not always). I know what you mean. See my earlier response to Lazy8.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 6:22pm

Proclivities wrote:

It's an interesting article, though little that most of us were not long aware of, if one were to think about it. Personally, though, I'm generally a little suspicious of any organization which uses the phrase "free markets" in its logo/slogan: to me, it pretends that the playing fields are "free" and level.

I can ignore the second part of the slogan, because my overlap with them is mostly with the free minds bit (though not always).

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 6:14pm

Lazy8 wrote:

Proclivities wrote:

It's an interesting article, though little that most of us were not long aware of. Personally, though, I'm generally a little suspicious of any organization which uses the phrase "free markets" in its logo/slogan: it pretends that the playing fields are "free" and level.

Reason is the oldest and most popular libertarian magazine in the US. It advocates for free markets, but I have never seen it claim we have one.

Thanks for that - good point, and I wasn't saying it to dismiss the article or the publication. It's just one of those phrases; you know what I mean?

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 6:07pm

Proclivities wrote:

Reason is the oldest and most popular libertarian magazine in the US. It advocates for free markets, but I have never seen it claim we have one.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 6:02pm

RichardPrins wrote:

9/11 and Its Legacy of Fear
Sept. 11th has changed America radically—and not for the better.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 5:21pm
9/11 and Its Legacy of Fear Sept. 11th has changed America radically—and not for the better.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 12:10pm
. buzz wrote: NYT should be ashamed. They have 364 days a year to print this. Today should be about the victims. You're right. Probably why they published it yesterday.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 12:07pm
buzz wrote: NYT should be ashamed. They have 364 days a year to print this. Today should be about the victims. This is the perfect day to print this, while people are paying attention. It is timely and relevant. Wonder if W and Co will ever face criminal charges?

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 11:46am

aflanigan wrote:

The Deafness Before The Storm
On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal . . .

Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it . . .

Hardly news. Partisan counter attack.

Chile: the other 9/11 anniversary
The devastating legacy of Pinochet's coup of 11 September 1973 goes far beyond the economy and the armed forces

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Posted: Sep 11, 2012 - 11:45am
Antigone wrote: I still think this cover was the perfect evocation of the time. Stunned me then, stuns me now.

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