kurtster wrote: 
We have enough weaponry and warcraft to blow up the world 1000 times, I don't think we need to talk very loudly.

This is the 21st century, we need to think in the context of peace not war. And who is it that you would like to scare? There is no winning by getting into this mess. 

 kurtster wrote: 
I gotta disagree here, I think everyones fear for us is exactly commensurate with our military strength which is just as capable as it was under Bush.  I have not seen any reason for anyone not to think that Obama will employ force against another country, he seems to relish in it just like the rest in what I have seen so far and there are many mothers around the world who in between their tears would agree with me.

 Isabeau wrote: 

You're entirely missing my point.  I'm talking about feared militarilly. 

I'm thinking Roosevelt.  Soft talk, big stick. 

No one fears our stick anymore.

That is new since Bush.

 Isabeau wrote: 
Yea I gotta agree with you here. Sadly though Obama turned out to be just like Bush.

 kurtster wrote: 
Kurt, this happened before Obama got in office. Iraq, failed Nation Building, Wall Street Crash and the T.A.R.P. Bailout. This attitude toward America didn't just happen with Obama. In fact, remember his Nobel Peace Prize other Countries gave him? (perhaps hoping he wouldn't be a war monger like Cheney and Bush?)

Oh goody. More money for defense contractors.

 kurtster wrote: 

 Isabeau wrote: 

This is what it is all about.  Confidence in the US.  Its never been lower domestically and internationally.

And we keep getting caught by having to call our own bluff.  That's how bad its being managed.

In four short years the US has gone from feared and loathed to loathed and laughed at. 

No one is afraid of us anymore or takes us seriously.  Very dangerous, for us.

Saving face is what got us into Iraq.  Are we gonna lket it happen again ?

And that cyber thing ?  It has to do with confidence in our econmomy.

The Fed is running out of smoke to blow up the world's a$$.

The Fed is in uncharted territory.

No one has succeeded before in creating Trillions of dollars out of thin air and making it work.

At least I am and always have been consistent in my opinion, no on Afghanistan, Hell no on Iraq and double Hell no on Syria.  War is one of the few issues where just say no will always be right.

 DaveInVA wrote: 
On that Dave, I must agree with you. I too believe its about Obama saving face in regards to the chemical weapons use. Everyone kept prodding, pushing and asking "Well... are you going to keep your word?  The world and Assad are watching and they're going to believe we are weak."

Where are all those demands for intervention now? suddenly and suspiciously silent aren't they? 

 DaveInVA wrote: 
+1

I don't know what everyone is worried about? Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
It wont, Obama just wants to save face after his "red line" remarks.

 MrsHobieJoe wrote: 
I'm at a loss to understand how blasting hell out of what's left of the country will somehow make Assad behave himself.

 islander wrote: 
that had also occurred to me (David Cameron is copying Obama).  UN really has to be the first course of action without the announcements of "we're going to go in whatever you say", after that I think a NATO type coalition would be better than any one country calling the shots. Massive tragedy out in Syria at the moment so action needs to be swift but not kneejerk.

 kurtster wrote: 
Except that so far the UN is turning him down also mainly because of Russia. He wants to go after Syria without Congress or the UN support. Its certainly way past time we pull out of the UN completely and kick them out of the US also. All we end up doing through them is funding enemies and getting crapped on in return.

 DaveInVA wrote: 

Yea, he's supposed to but has already laid out his plan to bypass Congress and go to the UN instead.  Panetta told Congress that our military now takes its orders from the UN, not Congress as some might remember.  That was a couple of years ago.

Just have to see how it plays out.  If Panetta was right, it won't be too hard to tell.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
You ain't seen nothing yet.  This is related to the NASDAQ outage. 

Just a not so wild guess. 

Watch Syria and watch the cyber war take off if you're up to some multitasking. 

We have an Internet Kill Switch standing by waiting for a reason to use it.

Stuff is happening.  Stuff outa left field for most.

If Obama plans to strike Syria, he must first ask Congress for the green light

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
with any luck, they'll target Faux News next