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black321

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 8:14pm

 oldviolin wrote:

The thing is, that a lie can use truth in any number of ways to perpetuate a malevolently ultimate goal. The psychological manipulation is productive in any number of ways.
The truth itself can contain no lies. The "truth" itself isn't even the opposite of a lie, that being a self serving falsehood. The truth is, in part as related to our very existence, a principle that ultimately states- if I, we, he she it, they, them, etc
can't find a way to live together in peace then for the most part, when confronted with true evil, we won't be able to discern anything about what is real or actual with regards to being manipulated. 

The Bible says beginning in John 8:42-47 that Jesus, as he is blasting the Jews in the temple for their hypocrisy and religious backward justification of truth in their own eyes how they line their mouths with lies. 
There seems to be a lot of justification going on these days.





Do people want the truth, or a story?
 something within their narrative to give them the delusion of some meaning… which by the way they could get with h the truth… just maybe not the one they were expecting. 

buddy

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 7:18pm

 oldviolin wrote:

The thing is, that a lie can use truth in any number of ways to perpetuate a malevolently ultimate goal. The psychological manipulation is productive in any number of ways.
The truth itself can contain no lies. The "truth" itself isn't even the opposite of a lie, that being a self serving falsehood. The truth is, in part as related to our very existence, a principle that ultimately states- if I, we, he she it, they, them, etc
can't find a way to live together in peace then for the most part, when confronted with true evil, we won't be able to discern anything about what is real or actual with regards to being manipulated. 

The Bible says beginning in John 8:42-47 that Jesus, as he is blasting the Jews in the temple for their hypocrisy and religious backward justification of truth in their own eyes how they line their mouths with lies. 
There seems to be a lot of justification going on these days.








oldviolin

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 3:37pm

 haresfur wrote:


I think the point is that there is a difference between promoting a lie and the psychological manipulation. This produces bothsidesism (see above) and promotes an overall state of excusing anything the leader says or does.

Old news? Yeah, that view is so 1984.

The thing is, that a lie can use truth in any number of ways to perpetuate a malevolently ultimate goal. The psychological manipulation is productive in any number of ways.
The truth itself can contain no lies. The "truth" itself isn't even the opposite of a lie, that being a self serving falsehood. The truth is, in part as related to our very existence, a principle that ultimately states- if I, we, he she it, they, them, etc
can't find a way to live together in peace then for the most part, when confronted with true evil, we won't be able to discern anything about what is real or actual with regards to being manipulated. 

The Bible says beginning in John 8:42-47 that Jesus, as he is blasting the Jews in the temple for their hypocrisy and religious backward justification of truth in their own eyes how they line their mouths with lies. 
There seems to be a lot of justification going on these days.




haresfur

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 2:59pm

 oldviolin wrote:





do you accept that both sides of this political nonsense use lies and manipulations?




I think the point is that there is a difference between promoting a lie and the psychological manipulation. This produces bothsidesism (see above) and promotes an overall state of excusing anything the leader says or does.

Old news? Yeah, that view is so 1984.
haresfur

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 2:59pm

 oldviolin wrote:





do you accept that both sides of this political nonsense use lies and manipulations?




I think the point is that there is a difference between promoting a lie and the psychological manipulation. This produces bothsidesism (see above) and promotes an overall state of excusing anything the leader says or does.

Old news? Yeah, that view is so 1984.
oldviolin

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 2:54pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Ever has it been so.


ok. Just a pulse check.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 2:50pm

 oldviolin wrote:





do you accept that both sides of this political nonsense use lies and manipulations?




Ever has it been so.
oldviolin

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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 2:21pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:





do you accept that both sides of this political nonsense use lies and manipulations?


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Posted: Jul 18, 2024 - 12:29pm

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Posted: Jul 3, 2024 - 10:51am


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Posted: Jul 2, 2024 - 2:14pm

The Republic Is Dead, Long Live The Republic
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Posted: May 10, 2024 - 6:45am

Michigan woman found living inside rooftop store sign with desk and coffee maker
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Posted: Dec 11, 2023 - 5:59am

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Posted: Sep 1, 2023 - 6:36pm

This is America. This is obscene.
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Posted: Jul 12, 2023 - 7:50pm

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Posted: May 21, 2023 - 7:44pm

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Posted: May 15, 2023 - 7:14am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


i'm trying to figure out the benefit/wisdom of personal irresponsibility 


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Posted: May 14, 2023 - 7:19pm

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Posted: May 12, 2023 - 5:33am

 Coaxial wrote:

These people all deserve a chance to be vetted and welcomed if they qualify for asylum. This I've got mine, fuck you, stuff is for the birds.

political conceit buffoonery has overcomplicated what should be a simple straightforward process
immigration or migration shouldn't be much more complicated than moving (screen for disease and criminal background should be easy enough)
and when someone gets aggressive against peaceful peeps, they aren't serious about a legitimate solution


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Posted: May 12, 2023 - 5:24am

 steeler wrote:
 Coaxial wrote:

These people all deserve a chance to be vetted and welcomed if they qualify for asylum. This I've got mine, fuck you, stuff is for the birds.

 Unfortunately, very few will qualify for asylum. Citing a better life and work opportunities is a guaranteed no. The need for wholesale immigration reform cries out to us.
 
Sad we are no longer give us your huddled masses...While these bastids fund wars, spending millions daily, instead of giving poor people a chance to better themselves and most times better America as well.{#War}I know I'm preaching to the choir but it does piss me off..
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