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aflanigan

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Posted: Aug 5, 2011 - 12:41pm

 Beaker wrote:
 aflanigan wrote:

All you trekheads out there (including the original) will of course remember the episode that broached the subject of whether humans were essential to space exploration, THE ULTIMATE COMPUTER.  Predictably, the plot involves demonstrating that computers are not fit to pilot star ships without humans.

My opinion is that, given the basic assumptions of the star trek series (a universe populated by numerous sentient life forms strewn about the galaxies), it probably would be impossible to avoid sending humans into space.  We've been sending diplomats across borders for millenia; it's hard to imagine that an advanced robotic computer might be developed that could replace humans in tact and judgement any time soon (maybe something like the replicants from Blade Runner?).  In terms of the need for humans to pilot exploration ships in the real universe, where for all intents and purposes we're the only sentient life around, Captain Kirk (or "Captain Dunsail", as Commodore Wesley calls Kirk) has, I believe, already been made obsolete.

fyt

Captain Dunsel


 

Not a typo.  Dunsel is how transcript writers heard it, but I believe dunsail is the correct spelling (cf stunsail, pronounced "stuns'l")


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Posted: Jul 25, 2011 - 8:26am

 hobiejoe wrote:

Crikey, that is an extraordinary trajectory. I'd always imagined a somewhat more glider-like gentle descent.
 
And as for the "airglow", well... it's well known that in favourable conditions on an open sea a lucky sailor will see the "green flash" across the western horizon moments after the sun has set. Not seen one yet {#Grumpy}
 
You can actually see them over land as well. We occasionally get them from the deck here with the sun setting over the peninsula. It has to be VERY dry though, and almost no surrounding clouds.


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Posted: Jul 24, 2011 - 3:36pm

This is a cool picture too.

 

Anyone wanna take a swim in the Bahamas? We'll need a diving board.


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Posted: Jul 24, 2011 - 3:28pm

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Atlantis returns to Earth, as seen from the International Space Station.  Details here

"The green band of light in the background is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven mainly by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind."
 

 
Crikey, that is an extraordinary trajectory. I'd always imagined a somewhat more glider-like gentle descent.
 
And as for the "airglow", well... it's well known that in favourable conditions on an open sea a lucky sailor will see the "green flash" across the western horizon moments after the sun has set. Not seen one yet {#Grumpy}
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Posted: Jul 24, 2011 - 3:12pm

 Zep wrote:


Atlantis returns to Earth, as seen from the International Space Station.  Details here

"The green band of light in the background is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven mainly by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind."
 

I could write a sci-fi novel about that evil dark cloud in the upper right corner.

Very interesting picture.


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Posted: Jul 24, 2011 - 3:10pm

 Zep wrote:

Atlantis returns to Earth, as seen from the International Space Station.  Details here

"The green band of light in the background is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven mainly by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind."
 

 
very cool pic.
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Posted: Jul 24, 2011 - 3:06pm



Atlantis returns to Earth, as seen from the International Space Station.  Details here

"The green band of light in the background is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven mainly by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind."
 


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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 2:22pm

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I shared Coaxial's link with a few people here at work and one of them sent me this photo.  Thought I'd share. Gene Roddenbery came to our highschool in 1976 when I was a freshman.  He screened a blooper reel from Star Trek and fielded questions about the upcoming (rumored) Star Trek movie (it was still three years away).

Still haven't figured out how they arranged for him to visit our dinky school.  My graduating class only had 120 kids in it - I don't think we had more than about 500 total.

It was a highlight though and he was a nice guy.  He stuck around and spoke to people in the hallway after the presentation.

 
All you trekheads out there (including the original) will of course remember the episode that broached the subject of whether humans were essential to space exploration, THE ULTIMATE COMPUTER.  Predictably, the plot involves demonstrating that computers are not fit to pilot star ships without humans.

My opinion is that, given the basic assumptions of the star trek series (a universe populated by numerous sentient life forms strewn about the galaxies), it probably would be impossible to avoid sending humans into space.  We've been sending diplomats across borders for millenia; it's hard to imagine that an advanced robotic computer might be developed that could replace humans in tact and judgement any time soon (maybe something like the replicants from Blade Runner?).  In terms of the need for humans to pilot exploration ships in the real universe, where for all intents and purposes we're the only sentient life around, Captain Kirk (or "Captain Dunsail", as Commodore Wesley calls Kirk) has, I believe, already been made obsolete.

aflanigan

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 1:51pm

 Xeric wrote:

Yeah. But. No kid was ever inspired to become an astronaut (or an aerospace engineer or a poet) by a datastream from a robot. The reasons to do personed flight may indeed be more emotional than rational: that fact does not necessarily tender those reasons invalid.

 
OK, but that's why we have guys like Richard Branson.  He can afford to spend extravagantly on manned spaceflight projects for romantic reasons!  We really can't.

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 1:42pm

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Wow.Just wow.We should stagnate as a nation and a race in order to squander our resources on being world cops and bombing other countries that haven't done a frigging thing to us,rather than try to advance ourselves?
 
Where do you see me advocating the above?  Wasting money comes in many forms, including fighting pointless wars.

The point is, sending human flesh into space is inefficient; we can employ contractors and generate economic growth by being smart about utilizing our space flight capability and produce much more meaningful "science" along the lines of projects like Pioneer, Voyager, Mariner, etc.  You get much more bang for your buck regarding advancing the frontiers of science and knowledge when you stop insisting on sending humans into space to evacuate their bowels and vomit in zero gravity.  Stagnating is what we basically have been doing with our inefficient approach to space exploration.


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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 1:32pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Cool.
 
It says 2014 "or later" now...
 
I never looked up who Ad Astra was. I've seen the name and just skimmed over it. Things are still awesome up there. 

 
The guy who's the head of the company is a former astronaut for NASA with a PHD in Science. Hope his technology works.

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 1:23pm

 GeneP59 wrote:
There was supposed to be a test fire of a new plasma engine on the Space Station next year and I never heard anything more about it. This new engine is suppose to knock 6 months off the trip to Mars down to  a 39-day mission to Mars. If this is feasible, the new technology will make going to Mars and further a return trip not a one way ride.
 
Cool.
 
It says 2014 "or later" now...
 
I never looked up who Ad Astra was. I've seen the name and just skimmed over it. Things are still awesome up there. 
GeneP59

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 1:00pm

There was supposed to be a test fire of a new plasma engine on the Space Station next year and I never heard anything more about it. This new engine is suppose to knock 6 months off the trip to Mars down to  a 39-day mission to Mars. If this is feasible, the new technology will make going to Mars and further a return trip not a one way ride.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:42pm

 Proclivities wrote:

"...besides, it's cold as hell"  (That simile always bothered me - hell is supposed to be hot.) 
I see your point about setting up an outpost or settlement; that'll probably happen someday.  I just figure picking the first guy could be a little troublesome.  You're probably right about a lot of the westward expansion people not expecting to come back - the same is probably true for many of the early trans-Atlantic sailors.
  Not to mention dust storms that blanket the planet and radiation due to lack of atmosphere. (got your continued reference though)


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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:36pm

 Zep wrote:

The mission would not be to strand the astronauts, but to give them enough resources to start a new outpost.  Humans have done this on faith for generations.  It's likely many who went west during the U.S. expansion thought very little about returning. 

Think too of the opportunity to start all over again, another common theme in history. 

Still, I get your point. 200 million miles is a lot of road.   And Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid. 
 
{#Lol} "...in fact, it's cold as hell"  (That simile always bothered me - I thought hell is supposed to be hot.) 
I see your point about setting up an outpost or settlement; that'll probably happen someday.  I just figure picking the first guy could be a little troublesome.  You're probably right about a lot of the westward expansion people not expecting to come back - the same is probably true for many of the early trans-Atlantic sailors.

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:36pm

 Zep wrote:

The mission would not be to strand the astronauts, but to give them enough resources to start a new outpost.  Humans have done this on faith for generations.  It's likely many who went west during the U.S. expansion thought very little about returning. 
 
*pictures Kevin Costner making coffee for a little green man*
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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:24pm

 Zep wrote:

The mission would not be to strand the astronauts, but to give them enough resources to start a new outpost.  Humans have done this on faith for generations.  It's likely many who went west during the U.S. expansion thought very little about returning. 

Think too of the opportunity to start all over again, another common theme in history. 

Still, I get your point. 200 million miles is a lot of road.   And Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid. 

 
It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it. (Got your Rocket Man ref)

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:22pm

 Proclivities wrote:
Well, one might wonder as to the mental health of someone who is willing to travel 200 million miles to be stranded on some cold, little planet.  It's a little beyond what test pilots do.
 
The mission would not be to strand the astronauts, but to give them enough resources to start a new outpost.  Humans have done this on faith for generations.  It's likely many who went west during the U.S. expansion thought very little about returning. 

Think too of the opportunity to start all over again, another common theme in history. 

Still, I get your point. 200 million miles is a lot of road.   And Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid. 


Zep

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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:18pm

 GeneP59 wrote:
Hell you'd never go. No baseball. {#Lol}
 
Good point. Beer, Babes, Baseball ... no easy balancing act, that one. 
 
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Posted: Jul 22, 2011 - 12:17pm

 justlistening wrote:
I was listening the other night and there was someone talking about a one-way flight to Mars.  This is not the same segment I heard, but echoes the ideas.  The speakers argument was that there have already been people who were willing to risk to fly on a shuttle known to be highly dangerous so there will be people willing to go on a one way mission to Mars.
 
Unfortunately Nasa and the government look at it as a suicide mission rather than scientific exploration and would probably never do it.

 
Well, one might wonder as to the mental health of someone who is willing to travel 200 million miles to be stranded on some cold, little planet.  It's a little beyond what test pilots do.

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