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jagdriver

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:12pm

 kurtster wrote:


There is no such thing as one size fits all with eyeglasses.  You could indeed be causing more harm than good with OTC readers.  They do not take into account the distance between your pupils.  The stronger the lenses, the more critical the measurement.  The lenses will pull your eyes and the muscles in the direction of the optical center.  They can make you cross eyed if too narrow and wall eyed if too wide.  Each eyeball has 6 muscles and you are making them do things that they were not made to do when you wear poorly measured glasses.  Besides all that, rarely does someone have the same vision in both eyes, which these ready readers assume.  So you get what you pay for, and at 5 bucks a pair, you ain't getting much more than a headache.

 
And for me, my eyes focus on two distinctly different planes.

(It must have been all of that LDS back in '60s, and watching the sun comin' up paisley.)

hippiechick

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:10pm

 kurtster wrote:


There is no such thing as one size fits all with eyeglasses.  You could indeed be causing more harm than good with OTC readers.  They do not take into account the distance between your pupils.  The stronger the lenses, the more critical the measurement.  The lenses will pull your eyes and the muscles in the direction of the optical center.  They can make you cross eyed if too narrow and wall eyed if too wide.  Each eyeball has 6 muscles and you are making them do things that they were not made to do when you wear poorly measured glasses.  Besides all that, rarely does someone have the same vision in both eyes, which these ready readers assume.  So you get what you pay for, and at 5 bucks a pair, you ain't getting much more than a headache.

 
If I had health insurance for glasses, I would get Rx lenses.

kurtster

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:09pm

 Manbird wrote:

Me to. I have permanent spasms throughout my neck, shoulders and back from leaning forward to try and see my monitor. Just a few months ago I could see it fine without these cheap OTC glasses but now I can't see anything without them - and Ironically I think it's wearing them that's making me blind. 

 

There is no such thing as one size fits all with eyeglasses.  You could indeed be causing more harm than good with OTC readers.  They do not take into account the distance between your pupils.  The stronger the lenses, the more critical the measurement.  The lenses will pull your eyes and the muscles in the direction of the optical center.  They can make you cross eyed if too narrow and wall eyed if too wide.  Each eyeball has 6 muscles and you are making them do things that they were not made to do when you wear poorly measured glasses.  Besides all that, rarely does someone have the same vision in both eyes, which these ready readers assume.  So you get what you pay for, and at 5 bucks a pair, you ain't getting much more than a headache.


Manbird

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:58pm

 jagdriver wrote:

Ditto. Roger. Ibid. Although in my case I probably look like a turtle with my head tilted up (in order to peer through my progressive lenses). Can't be doing my back any good, either.
 
Me to. I have permanent spasms throughout my neck, shoulders and back from leaning forward to try and see my monitor. Just a few months ago I could see it fine without these cheap OTC glasses but now I can't see anything without them - and Ironically I think it's wearing them that's making me blind. 


jagdriver

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:57pm

 kurtster wrote:

Remember, a mechanic is only as good as his (her) tools.  Most people who end up getting these lenses find them to be liberating and a quality of life improvement.
 
{Insert amusing retort here.}


kurtster

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:54pm

 jagdriver wrote:

Ditto. Roger. Ibid. Although in my case I probably look like a turtle with my head tilted up (in order to peer through my progressive lenses). Can't be doing my back any good, either.

 
No, its killing your neck and your back.  Ergonomically, progressives are designed so that you need to look down at about a 15 degree angle from horizontal for them to work comfortably.  The proper placement for a computer monitor should be with the top of the monitor at eye level so you look down at that angle.  Any time you deal in multi-focal lenses you are compromising.  If you spend more than an hour at the computer, you should have a pair of these office lenses.  They are a bona fide work tool.  Remember, a mechanic is only as good as his (her) tools.  Most people who end up getting these lenses find them to be liberating and a quality of life improvement.

jagdriver

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:37pm

 hippiechick wrote:

I need a pair of those. I have been wearing the cheap reading glasses, which work ok, but not specific enough for my needs.
 
Ditto. Roger. Ibid. Although in my case I probably look like a turtle with my head tilted up (in order to peer through my progressive lenses). Can't be doing my back any good, either.
hippiechick

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:06pm

 romeotuma wrote:

More from Kurtster on this subject...  this is great stuff—

If she has good results, she might want to consider getting computer / office lenses for her new glasses. They provide correction for mid length or arms length distance (2 to 3 feet) on the top and upclose (12 to 18 inches) on the bottom. They are no line progressive style lenses and a modern update for music glasses, which were a lined bifocal with the same properties. The sheet music is where the monitor is and the keyboard is, well, its in the same place. The lenses are much less expensive then standard progressives and she should also get them with anti reflective coating as well. Most importanly, she should purchase a real good pair of polarized sunglasses.

What is really cool about these office lenses is that they require very little posture adjustments to use. Look straight out to see the computer and look down to see the keyboard. They are also great for reading, crafts, sewing and even when going out to a restaurant. You can see people across the table clearly and read the menu and see your food. Also excellent for playing cards for the same reasons. They are not a one trick pony.

 

 

 



 
I need a pair of those. I have been wearing the cheap reading glasses, which work ok, but not specific enough for my needs.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 11:31am

 romeotuma wrote:


Kurtster just PMed me this as advice for my mother, and I asked him if I could post it here in my favorite forum...  he said I could, which is good, because this data he offers is fantastic—

Cataract surgery is pretty much routine and very safe provided there are no retinal or pathological issues such as diabetes.  Assuming the eye is healthy other than cataracts, the primary issue is finding a qualified doctor to perform the surgery.  Do the necessary homework, as the surgeon is the single most important part of the process.  The implants and tools are pretty much standard.

Here are the things to avoid.  Do not get the implants that claim to offer variable focus.  The present one available here in the US is disappointing at best and many have been removed.  I have talked to several ophthalmologists about this as I have a cataract in progress from either my cancer or chemo.  Our place is where the doc's in town get their glasses so I get to pick the minds of the cream of the crop.

The goal of cataract surgery should be to replace the crystalline lens with an implant and restore the patient's distance vision to plano or no correction.  There are some doc's who want to offer mono vision in the process.  This is the condition where one eye sees far and the other near.  They promise no glasses in the outcome.  The drawback is that the patient loses depth perception.  This is a real problem for navigating elders in the case of driving, walking and negotiating stairs.  I feel very strongly opposed to this.  It can be overcome with distance only glasses to neutralize the effect, but I would rather have perfect distance at all times and use glasses for reading.  The patient is going to need glasses for something so it might as well be reading, rather than successfully getting around without crashing, tripping and stumbling.

Medicare pays for most all of the surgery, it is a universal medical condition and pretty much a standard procedure which Medicare is geared to facilitate.  Medicare also has a once in a life time benefit where the post op patient is entitled to get coverage for a complete pair of new glasses after surgery.  That is a new frame and a lens for each eye.  Surgery done on one eye, get a new frame and one of the two lenses is covered.  Second eye done and the new lens for that eye is covered.  The difficulty is during the time in between having the other eye operated on.  Old lenses will no longer be appropriate or useful. 

Most optical dispensaries will accept Medicare payments for the new glasses, but the benefit will pay most but not all the cost, unless you get the most primitive glasses.  Get what is needed, comfortable and make the patient happy and pay the difference.  More than likely these frames will be around for a long time.  You can change lenses in the existing frame as time goes on.  So choose the frame wisely. 

After the surgery, the eye's vision is unsettled for some six months and the new Rx given in the first few days is going to be pretty different from the one six months later when the patient usually goes in for follow up care.  So when buying glasses, find out what the store's policy is regarding Rx changes.  Stay away from the chains.  Most offices offer a 2 to 6 month window for a one time no charge replacement due to an Rx change or error.  You can find out by calling and make sure you get some written assurance.  This is also challenging for the patient as it does require a lot of running around and time to get things done.  But that's the way it is.  Also find out if the store can replace the lenses without your mom having to leave them behind during the wait while they grind the new lens..  Most should be able to order the lens and then she can go in and have it cut to fit while she waits in about a half an hour.  Stay away from places that do not have that capability.

So fear not about the surgery and don't allow it to be put off.  When it's done properly, it is an immediate quality of life improvement, in spite of all the running around required.  One of the first comments post op patients have is I can see the true colors again.  They are no longer looking through a cloudy yellow tinged lens.  So get your mom thinking about doing it and not putting it off.  When picking the ophthalmologist, the more experience the better.  Have your mom find out whose surgeries went well and whose went south.  I'm sure she has had some of those conversations already and that could be a factor in her hesitance to get it done.  But it must be done.  The alternative is a dog and a cane.

Hope this gives you enough to get the ball rolling.  Please ask me any questions that you may have as they come up.  No question is stupid or silly as you know. 



 


More from Kurtster on this subject...  this is great stuff—

If she has good results, she might want to consider getting computer / office lenses for her new glasses. They provide correction for mid length or arms length distance (2 to 3 feet) on the top and upclose (12 to 18 inches) on the bottom. They are no line progressive style lenses and a modern update for music glasses, which were a lined bifocal with the same properties. The sheet music is where the monitor is and the keyboard is, well, its in the same place. The lenses are much less expensive then standard progressives and she should also get them with anti reflective coating as well. Most importanly, she should purchase a real good pair of polarized sunglasses.

What is really cool about these office lenses is that they require very little posture adjustments to use. Look straight out to see the computer and look down to see the keyboard. They are also great for reading, crafts, sewing and even when going out to a restaurant. You can see people across the table clearly and read the menu and see your food. Also excellent for playing cards for the same reasons. They are not a one trick pony.

 

 

 


(former member)

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Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 17, 2010 - 10:22am



Kurtster just PMed me this as advice for my mother, and I asked him if I could post it here in my favorite forum...  he said I could, which is good, because this data he offers is fantastic—

Cataract surgery is pretty much routine and very safe provided there are no retinal or pathological issues such as diabetes.  Assuming the eye is healthy other than cataracts, the primary issue is finding a qualified doctor to perform the surgery.  Do the necessary homework, as the surgeon is the single most important part of the process.  The implants and tools are pretty much standard.

Here are the things to avoid.  Do not get the implants that claim to offer variable focus.  The present one available here in the US is disappointing at best and many have been removed.  I have talked to several ophthalmologists about this as I have a cataract in progress from either my cancer or chemo.  Our place is where the doc's in town get their glasses so I get to pick the minds of the cream of the crop.

The goal of cataract surgery should be to replace the crystalline lens with an implant and restore the patient's distance vision to plano or no correction.  There are some doc's who want to offer mono vision in the process.  This is the condition where one eye sees far and the other near.  They promise no glasses in the outcome.  The drawback is that the patient loses depth perception.  This is a real problem for navigating elders in the case of driving, walking and negotiating stairs.  I feel very strongly opposed to this.  It can be overcome with distance only glasses to neutralize the effect, but I would rather have perfect distance at all times and use glasses for reading.  The patient is going to need glasses for something so it might as well be reading, rather than successfully getting around without crashing, tripping and stumbling.

Medicare pays for most all of the surgery, it is a universal medical condition and pretty much a standard procedure which Medicare is geared to facilitate.  Medicare also has a once in a life time benefit where the post op patient is entitled to get coverage for a complete pair of new glasses after surgery.  That is a new frame and a lens for each eye.  Surgery done on one eye, get a new frame and one of the two lenses is covered.  Second eye done and the new lens for that eye is covered.  The difficulty is during the time in between having the other eye operated on.  Old lenses will no longer be appropriate or useful. 

Most optical dispensaries will accept Medicare payments for the new glasses, but the benefit will pay most but not all the cost, unless you get the most primitive glasses.  Get what is needed, comfortable and make the patient happy and pay the difference.  More than likely these frames will be around for a long time.  You can change lenses in the existing frame as time goes on.  So choose the frame wisely. 

After the surgery, the eye's vision is unsettled for some six months and the new Rx given in the first few days is going to be pretty different from the one six months later when the patient usually goes in for follow up care.  So when buying glasses, find out what the store's policy is regarding Rx changes.  Stay away from the chains.  Most offices offer a 2 to 6 month window for a one time no charge replacement due to an Rx change or error.  You can find out by calling and make sure you get some written assurance.  This is also challenging for the patient as it does require a lot of running around and time to get things done.  But that's the way it is.  Also find out if the store can replace the lenses without your mom having to leave them behind during the wait while they grind the new lens..  Most should be able to order the lens and then she can go in and have it cut to fit while she waits in about a half an hour.  Stay away from places that do not have that capability.

So fear not about the surgery and don't allow it to be put off.  When it's done properly, it is an immediate quality of life improvement, in spite of all the running around required.  One of the first comments post op patients have is I can see the true colors again.  They are no longer looking through a cloudy yellow tinged lens.  So get your mom thinking about doing it and not putting it off.  When picking the ophthalmologist, the more experience the better.  Have your mom find out whose surgeries went well and whose went south.  I'm sure she has had some of those conversations already and that could be a factor in her hesitance to get it done.  But it must be done.  The alternative is a dog and a cane.

Hope this gives you enough to get the ball rolling.  Please ask me any questions that you may have as they come up.  No question is stupid or silly as you know. 


hippiechick

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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 - 7:36am

 The_End wrote: 
My POSSLQ and I were just discussing this yesterday. Good site!

rosedraws

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 9:57pm

 jadewahoo wrote:

Wow! I have several friends with MS. I am always on the lookout for the latest information in understanding and treatment of this debilitating disease. This investigation and treatment is thrilling! I have sent them each a link. Thanks phineas!
 
I sent the link to my friend and his wife.  He's not interested in looking into treatments.  And his wife is loonie.  {#Frustrated}
jadewahoo

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 7:30pm

 phineas wrote:

Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough


New way of thinking about debilitating disease has yielded stunning new treatments – but MS societies urge sufferers to be cautious before experimenting.

 

Link to article on the Globe & Mail web site.

 

 

Got me thinking of RedBill...

 
Wow! I have several friends with MS. I am always on the lookout for the latest information in understanding and treatment of this debilitating disease. This investigation and treatment is thrilling! I have sent them each a link. Thanks phineas!

NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 7:08pm

 rosedraws wrote:



The initial studies done in Italy were small but the outcomes were dramatic. In a group of 65 patients with relapsing-remitting MS (the most common form) who underwent surgery, the number of active lesions in the brain fell sharply, to 12 per cent from 50 per cent; in the two years after surgery, 73 per cent of patients had no symptoms.

This is incredible.  One of my dear friends has terrible MS.  The results seem to be overwhelmingly positive.  It's such a horrible horrible disease.  Wow, I hope this turns out to be true.
 
I also suspect that poor vasculization has a role to play in a host of other ailments as well.

rosedraws

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 7:07pm

 phineas wrote:

Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough

New way of thinking about debilitating disease has yielded stunning new treatments – but MS societies urge sufferers to be cautious before experimenting.

Link to article on the Globe & Mail web site.

 


The initial studies done in Italy were small but the outcomes were dramatic. In a group of 65 patients with relapsing-remitting MS (the most common form) who underwent surgery, the number of active lesions in the brain fell sharply, to 12 per cent from 50 per cent; in the two years after surgery, 73 per cent of patients had no symptoms.

This is incredible.  One of my dear friends has terrible MS.  The results seem to be overwhelmingly positive.  It's such a horrible horrible disease.  Wow, I hope this turns out to be true.

DownHomeGirl

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 7:00pm

 phineas wrote:

Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough


New way of thinking about debilitating disease has yielded stunning new treatments – but MS societies urge sufferers to be cautious before experimenting.

 

Link to article on the Globe & Mail web site.

 

 

Got me thinking of RedBill...


 
That's really interesting, thanks

NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 6:49pm

 phineas wrote:

Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough


New way of thinking about debilitating disease has yielded stunning new treatments – but MS societies urge sufferers to be cautious before experimenting.

 

Link to article on the Globe & Mail web site.

 

 

Got me thinking of RedBill...


 
thanks for this Glerg! really encouraging news!!

Now, where are the bio-chemists and neurologists here, for I have a question:
The article states:

It is well-established that the symptoms of MS are caused by a breakdown of myelin, a fatty substance that coats nerve cells and plays a crucial role in transmitting messages to the central nervous system. When those messages are blurred, nerves malfunction, causing all manner of woes, including blurred eyesight, loss of sensation in the limbs and even paralysis.

I thought I had read about myelin in my reading on Alzheimers and I just went hunting for it but couldn't find anything. Is there any connection between Alzheimers and the breakdown of myelin? ...or is my memory impaired?
phineas

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Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 10:26am

Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough


New way of thinking about debilitating disease has yielded stunning new treatments – but MS societies urge sufferers to be cautious before experimenting.

 

Link to article on the Globe & Mail web site.

 

 

Got me thinking of RedBill...



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Posted: Nov 2, 2009 - 5:53pm

 romeotuma wrote:


I have not used this site myself yet, but somebody close to me says this site is excellent, and she highly recommends it for everybody...  it supposedly has great prices, plus the huge bonus that you don't have to pay taxes on the products, because this store does not have a physical location...  and looking at the site right now, it says if you get over $25 worth of stuff, the shipping is free...  (I think with prescription stuff, shipping is free for over $50...)  it has everything here, from toothpaste onward etc. etc...

if anyone tries this site, let me know what it was like...

drugstore

 
We always use drugstore.com to check the "best going rate" on meds. 

I'd recommend it if you don't mind mail order, but knowing your local pharmacist is always better


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