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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 5:51pm

 triskele wrote:

it took me no less than 6 months to get used to mine....
 
I'm used to them. And I still hate them. What's the point of having these big goofy glasses if I can only see out of an hour-glass shaped portion of the freakin' lenses!

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 5:28pm

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

I loathe mine.
 
it took me no less than 6 months to get used to mine....

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 5:15pm

 hippiechick wrote:

I need progressive lenses
 
I loathe mine.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 5:11pm

 hippiechick wrote:

I need progressive lenses
 
why am i not surprised

im guessin thats for your left eye.
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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 5:07pm

 kurtster wrote:
OBTW:  Walmart is back to selling Rx single vision glasses for $38.00, at least here in the Cleveland Metro area.  Can't beat that with a big stick.  Granted the frames are pretty basic, but that is a damn good price.

 
I need progressive lenses

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:56pm

OBTW:  Walmart is back to selling Rx single vision glasses for $38.00, at least here in the Cleveland Metro area.  Can't beat that with a big stick.  Granted the frames are pretty basic, but that is a damn good price.


kurtster

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:19pm

 hippiechick wrote:

If I had health insurance for glasses, I would get Rx lenses.
 
I have found that in most cases, the cost of average eyeglass insurance seems to net out to the same as if you just paid cash for your glasses.  It sure looks pretty on paper, but in reality many people pay more than they get back when they get their glasses.  This is my experience and observations over many years.  I have helped patients do the analysis and many are surprised.  Usually the only ones who benefit with eyeglass insurance are those with several children.

And the other thing is that usually only very basic frames are covered, if you want nicer ones you gotta pay out of pocket for the difference.  I get very anoyed by the people who think that eyeglass insurance equates with fashion insurance.  Eyeglass insurance is largely a joke, unless your employer pays for all of it.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:14pm

 jagdriver wrote:

And for me, my eyes focus on two distinctly different planes.

(It must have been all of that LDS back in '60s, and watching the sun comin' up paisley.)


 
Ahhhh, the good ol days!

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:12pm

 kurtster wrote:


There is no such thing as one size fits all with eyeglasses.  You could indeed be causing more harm than good with OTC readers.  They do not take into account the distance between your pupils.  The stronger the lenses, the more critical the measurement.  The lenses will pull your eyes and the muscles in the direction of the optical center.  They can make you cross eyed if too narrow and wall eyed if too wide.  Each eyeball has 6 muscles and you are making them do things that they were not made to do when you wear poorly measured glasses.  Besides all that, rarely does someone have the same vision in both eyes, which these ready readers assume.  So you get what you pay for, and at 5 bucks a pair, you ain't getting much more than a headache.

 
And for me, my eyes focus on two distinctly different planes.

(It must have been all of that LDS back in '60s, and watching the sun comin' up paisley.)

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:10pm

 kurtster wrote:


There is no such thing as one size fits all with eyeglasses.  You could indeed be causing more harm than good with OTC readers.  They do not take into account the distance between your pupils.  The stronger the lenses, the more critical the measurement.  The lenses will pull your eyes and the muscles in the direction of the optical center.  They can make you cross eyed if too narrow and wall eyed if too wide.  Each eyeball has 6 muscles and you are making them do things that they were not made to do when you wear poorly measured glasses.  Besides all that, rarely does someone have the same vision in both eyes, which these ready readers assume.  So you get what you pay for, and at 5 bucks a pair, you ain't getting much more than a headache.

 
If I had health insurance for glasses, I would get Rx lenses.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 4:09pm

 Manbird wrote:

Me to. I have permanent spasms throughout my neck, shoulders and back from leaning forward to try and see my monitor. Just a few months ago I could see it fine without these cheap OTC glasses but now I can't see anything without them - and Ironically I think it's wearing them that's making me blind. 

 

There is no such thing as one size fits all with eyeglasses.  You could indeed be causing more harm than good with OTC readers.  They do not take into account the distance between your pupils.  The stronger the lenses, the more critical the measurement.  The lenses will pull your eyes and the muscles in the direction of the optical center.  They can make you cross eyed if too narrow and wall eyed if too wide.  Each eyeball has 6 muscles and you are making them do things that they were not made to do when you wear poorly measured glasses.  Besides all that, rarely does someone have the same vision in both eyes, which these ready readers assume.  So you get what you pay for, and at 5 bucks a pair, you ain't getting much more than a headache.


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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:58pm

 jagdriver wrote:

Ditto. Roger. Ibid. Although in my case I probably look like a turtle with my head tilted up (in order to peer through my progressive lenses). Can't be doing my back any good, either.
 
Me to. I have permanent spasms throughout my neck, shoulders and back from leaning forward to try and see my monitor. Just a few months ago I could see it fine without these cheap OTC glasses but now I can't see anything without them - and Ironically I think it's wearing them that's making me blind. 


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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:57pm

 kurtster wrote:

Remember, a mechanic is only as good as his (her) tools.  Most people who end up getting these lenses find them to be liberating and a quality of life improvement.
 
{Insert amusing retort here.}


kurtster

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:54pm

 jagdriver wrote:

Ditto. Roger. Ibid. Although in my case I probably look like a turtle with my head tilted up (in order to peer through my progressive lenses). Can't be doing my back any good, either.

 
No, its killing your neck and your back.  Ergonomically, progressives are designed so that you need to look down at about a 15 degree angle from horizontal for them to work comfortably.  The proper placement for a computer monitor should be with the top of the monitor at eye level so you look down at that angle.  Any time you deal in multi-focal lenses you are compromising.  If you spend more than an hour at the computer, you should have a pair of these office lenses.  They are a bona fide work tool.  Remember, a mechanic is only as good as his (her) tools.  Most people who end up getting these lenses find them to be liberating and a quality of life improvement.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:37pm

 hippiechick wrote:

I need a pair of those. I have been wearing the cheap reading glasses, which work ok, but not specific enough for my needs.
 
Ditto. Roger. Ibid. Although in my case I probably look like a turtle with my head tilted up (in order to peer through my progressive lenses). Can't be doing my back any good, either.
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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 3:06pm

 romeotuma wrote:

More from Kurtster on this subject...  this is great stuff—

If she has good results, she might want to consider getting computer / office lenses for her new glasses. They provide correction for mid length or arms length distance (2 to 3 feet) on the top and upclose (12 to 18 inches) on the bottom. They are no line progressive style lenses and a modern update for music glasses, which were a lined bifocal with the same properties. The sheet music is where the monitor is and the keyboard is, well, its in the same place. The lenses are much less expensive then standard progressives and she should also get them with anti reflective coating as well. Most importanly, she should purchase a real good pair of polarized sunglasses.

What is really cool about these office lenses is that they require very little posture adjustments to use. Look straight out to see the computer and look down to see the keyboard. They are also great for reading, crafts, sewing and even when going out to a restaurant. You can see people across the table clearly and read the menu and see your food. Also excellent for playing cards for the same reasons. They are not a one trick pony.

 

 

 



 
I need a pair of those. I have been wearing the cheap reading glasses, which work ok, but not specific enough for my needs.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 11:31am

 romeotuma wrote:


Kurtster just PMed me this as advice for my mother, and I asked him if I could post it here in my favorite forum...  he said I could, which is good, because this data he offers is fantastic—

Cataract surgery is pretty much routine and very safe provided there are no retinal or pathological issues such as diabetes.  Assuming the eye is healthy other than cataracts, the primary issue is finding a qualified doctor to perform the surgery.  Do the necessary homework, as the surgeon is the single most important part of the process.  The implants and tools are pretty much standard.

Here are the things to avoid.  Do not get the implants that claim to offer variable focus.  The present one available here in the US is disappointing at best and many have been removed.  I have talked to several ophthalmologists about this as I have a cataract in progress from either my cancer or chemo.  Our place is where the doc's in town get their glasses so I get to pick the minds of the cream of the crop.

The goal of cataract surgery should be to replace the crystalline lens with an implant and restore the patient's distance vision to plano or no correction.  There are some doc's who want to offer mono vision in the process.  This is the condition where one eye sees far and the other near.  They promise no glasses in the outcome.  The drawback is that the patient loses depth perception.  This is a real problem for navigating elders in the case of driving, walking and negotiating stairs.  I feel very strongly opposed to this.  It can be overcome with distance only glasses to neutralize the effect, but I would rather have perfect distance at all times and use glasses for reading.  The patient is going to need glasses for something so it might as well be reading, rather than successfully getting around without crashing, tripping and stumbling.

Medicare pays for most all of the surgery, it is a universal medical condition and pretty much a standard procedure which Medicare is geared to facilitate.  Medicare also has a once in a life time benefit where the post op patient is entitled to get coverage for a complete pair of new glasses after surgery.  That is a new frame and a lens for each eye.  Surgery done on one eye, get a new frame and one of the two lenses is covered.  Second eye done and the new lens for that eye is covered.  The difficulty is during the time in between having the other eye operated on.  Old lenses will no longer be appropriate or useful. 

Most optical dispensaries will accept Medicare payments for the new glasses, but the benefit will pay most but not all the cost, unless you get the most primitive glasses.  Get what is needed, comfortable and make the patient happy and pay the difference.  More than likely these frames will be around for a long time.  You can change lenses in the existing frame as time goes on.  So choose the frame wisely. 

After the surgery, the eye's vision is unsettled for some six months and the new Rx given in the first few days is going to be pretty different from the one six months later when the patient usually goes in for follow up care.  So when buying glasses, find out what the store's policy is regarding Rx changes.  Stay away from the chains.  Most offices offer a 2 to 6 month window for a one time no charge replacement due to an Rx change or error.  You can find out by calling and make sure you get some written assurance.  This is also challenging for the patient as it does require a lot of running around and time to get things done.  But that's the way it is.  Also find out if the store can replace the lenses without your mom having to leave them behind during the wait while they grind the new lens..  Most should be able to order the lens and then she can go in and have it cut to fit while she waits in about a half an hour.  Stay away from places that do not have that capability.

So fear not about the surgery and don't allow it to be put off.  When it's done properly, it is an immediate quality of life improvement, in spite of all the running around required.  One of the first comments post op patients have is I can see the true colors again.  They are no longer looking through a cloudy yellow tinged lens.  So get your mom thinking about doing it and not putting it off.  When picking the ophthalmologist, the more experience the better.  Have your mom find out whose surgeries went well and whose went south.  I'm sure she has had some of those conversations already and that could be a factor in her hesitance to get it done.  But it must be done.  The alternative is a dog and a cane.

Hope this gives you enough to get the ball rolling.  Please ask me any questions that you may have as they come up.  No question is stupid or silly as you know. 



 


More from Kurtster on this subject...  this is great stuff—

If she has good results, she might want to consider getting computer / office lenses for her new glasses. They provide correction for mid length or arms length distance (2 to 3 feet) on the top and upclose (12 to 18 inches) on the bottom. They are no line progressive style lenses and a modern update for music glasses, which were a lined bifocal with the same properties. The sheet music is where the monitor is and the keyboard is, well, its in the same place. The lenses are much less expensive then standard progressives and she should also get them with anti reflective coating as well. Most importanly, she should purchase a real good pair of polarized sunglasses.

What is really cool about these office lenses is that they require very little posture adjustments to use. Look straight out to see the computer and look down to see the keyboard. They are also great for reading, crafts, sewing and even when going out to a restaurant. You can see people across the table clearly and read the menu and see your food. Also excellent for playing cards for the same reasons. They are not a one trick pony.

 

 

 


(former member)

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Posted: Jan 17, 2010 - 10:22am



Kurtster just PMed me this as advice for my mother, and I asked him if I could post it here in my favorite forum...  he said I could, which is good, because this data he offers is fantastic—

Cataract surgery is pretty much routine and very safe provided there are no retinal or pathological issues such as diabetes.  Assuming the eye is healthy other than cataracts, the primary issue is finding a qualified doctor to perform the surgery.  Do the necessary homework, as the surgeon is the single most important part of the process.  The implants and tools are pretty much standard.

Here are the things to avoid.  Do not get the implants that claim to offer variable focus.  The present one available here in the US is disappointing at best and many have been removed.  I have talked to several ophthalmologists about this as I have a cataract in progress from either my cancer or chemo.  Our place is where the doc's in town get their glasses so I get to pick the minds of the cream of the crop.

The goal of cataract surgery should be to replace the crystalline lens with an implant and restore the patient's distance vision to plano or no correction.  There are some doc's who want to offer mono vision in the process.  This is the condition where one eye sees far and the other near.  They promise no glasses in the outcome.  The drawback is that the patient loses depth perception.  This is a real problem for navigating elders in the case of driving, walking and negotiating stairs.  I feel very strongly opposed to this.  It can be overcome with distance only glasses to neutralize the effect, but I would rather have perfect distance at all times and use glasses for reading.  The patient is going to need glasses for something so it might as well be reading, rather than successfully getting around without crashing, tripping and stumbling.

Medicare pays for most all of the surgery, it is a universal medical condition and pretty much a standard procedure which Medicare is geared to facilitate.  Medicare also has a once in a life time benefit where the post op patient is entitled to get coverage for a complete pair of new glasses after surgery.  That is a new frame and a lens for each eye.  Surgery done on one eye, get a new frame and one of the two lenses is covered.  Second eye done and the new lens for that eye is covered.  The difficulty is during the time in between having the other eye operated on.  Old lenses will no longer be appropriate or useful. 

Most optical dispensaries will accept Medicare payments for the new glasses, but the benefit will pay most but not all the cost, unless you get the most primitive glasses.  Get what is needed, comfortable and make the patient happy and pay the difference.  More than likely these frames will be around for a long time.  You can change lenses in the existing frame as time goes on.  So choose the frame wisely. 

After the surgery, the eye's vision is unsettled for some six months and the new Rx given in the first few days is going to be pretty different from the one six months later when the patient usually goes in for follow up care.  So when buying glasses, find out what the store's policy is regarding Rx changes.  Stay away from the chains.  Most offices offer a 2 to 6 month window for a one time no charge replacement due to an Rx change or error.  You can find out by calling and make sure you get some written assurance.  This is also challenging for the patient as it does require a lot of running around and time to get things done.  But that's the way it is.  Also find out if the store can replace the lenses without your mom having to leave them behind during the wait while they grind the new lens..  Most should be able to order the lens and then she can go in and have it cut to fit while she waits in about a half an hour.  Stay away from places that do not have that capability.

So fear not about the surgery and don't allow it to be put off.  When it's done properly, it is an immediate quality of life improvement, in spite of all the running around required.  One of the first comments post op patients have is I can see the true colors again.  They are no longer looking through a cloudy yellow tinged lens.  So get your mom thinking about doing it and not putting it off.  When picking the ophthalmologist, the more experience the better.  Have your mom find out whose surgeries went well and whose went south.  I'm sure she has had some of those conversations already and that could be a factor in her hesitance to get it done.  But it must be done.  The alternative is a dog and a cane.

Hope this gives you enough to get the ball rolling.  Please ask me any questions that you may have as they come up.  No question is stupid or silly as you know. 


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Posted: Nov 23, 2009 - 7:36am

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My POSSLQ and I were just discussing this yesterday. Good site!

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