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onlylynne

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:49am

lily34 wrote:

i just heard about MRSA for the first time a couple months ago. never knew of it. amazing.

so is it true - we should stay away from antibacterial soaps, too??

We don't want to kill all the bacteria around us. Few few types make you sick. Many bacteria are a beneficial part of our normal flora and our environment.
So if you kill all the good bugs, seems to me that you make it easier for the harmful bacteria to take over.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:48am
onlylynne wrote: You so bad! It's hard to find any liquid soap that's not antibacterial. I have to be persistent. lynne, can you weigh in on why i should avoid antibacterial soap?

phineas

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:47am
romeotuma wrote: I eat animal flesh myself... just be careful of your meat consumption... and watch out for red meat... here is one report on a new study that has just come out— Study Links Red Meat To Cancer, Heart Disease And of course:

onlylynne

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:45am
phineas wrote: Will they still accept something that is so long overdue? We've tried to stay away from the antibacterial soaps. Seems, sometimes, that most of them on the store shelves are AB... You so bad! It's hard to find any liquid soap that's not antibacterial. I have to be persistent.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:42am

lily34 wrote:

i just heard about MRSA for the first time a couple months ago. never knew of it. amazing.

so is it true - we should stay away from antibacterial soaps, too??

I'm not sure. It really depends on the mechanisms of anti-bac soaps and how likely it is that bacteria (and others) will evolve past them. For instance, its pretty hard for anything to survive in concetrated bleach, but there are things that do. However these aren't really the sorts of things that are likely to do you much harm, so it doesn't matter. So if the things that have a reasonable hope of getting through anti-bac and building a resistance are pathogens (ie will make you ill) then we should be aiming to go easy. At the same time we really don't want to try and kill them once they have infected you, because thats even harder!

hippiechick

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:39am

romeotuma wrote:

The use of antibiotics in food animal production has been associated with the emergence of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria— including Salmonella... another example of marketing run amuk...

I have been trying (not hard enough) to move away from those kinds of foods, but Whole Foods meats are very expensive. I haven't yet been able to convince myself to become a vegetarian.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:38am

onlylynne wrote:

How awful.
This is only going to get worse. We are seeing many different resistant bugs these days.
MRSA is not the only thing to worry about. It's just gotten the most press so far.

Its very true. And once they evolve past standard anti-biotics we have very little that will do the trick. Anti-biotic soap is less likely to be out-evolved so quickly, but its pretty hard to use against salmonella (I once saw a letter in a paper asking why it was so hard to kill MRSA if you could use soap to get it off your hands...). But most of our anti-biotics are just souped up penicilling (or so I understand) so theres not much more that we can do until we invent a new anti-biotic, or start developing 'active' drugs that are essentially white blood cells or an equivallent...

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:36am
onlylynne wrote: How awful. This is only going to get worse. We are seeing many different resistant bugs these days. MRSA is not the only thing to worry about. It's just gotten the most press so far. i just heard about MRSA for the first time a couple months ago. never knew of it. amazing. so is it true - we should stay away from antibacterial soaps, too??

hippiechick

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:35am

onlylynne wrote:

How awful.
This is only going to get worse. We are seeing many different resistant bugs these days.
MRSA is not the only thing to worry about. It's just gotten the most press so far.

The reason I said she was young was because 1) you would think that your body could fight off this kind of thing when you are in your 20s and 2) maybe because of her young age, (and her father being a dentist), maybe she got a lot of antibiotics over her lifetime and is already unable to fight off this kind of bacteria.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:34am
onlylynne wrote: Over twenty-six years ago, I wrote my microbiology term paper on the dangers of overusing antibiotics. They should have listened! Will they still accept something that is so long overdue? We've tried to stay away from the antibacterial soaps. Seems, sometimes, that most of them on the store shelves are AB...

onlylynne

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:31am

hippiechick wrote:

My brother's young girlfriend got a case of salmonella that was so resistant to treatment that it took 4 months and that the drs. had to use an experimental drug thatcost $14,000 per dose to knock it out. And she seems to still have a very low resistance.

How awful.
This is only going to get worse. We are seeing many different resistant bugs these days.
MRSA is not the only thing to worry about. It's just gotten the most press so far.

hippiechick

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:28am

onlylynne wrote:

Over twenty-six years ago, I wrote my microbiology term paper on the dangers of overusing antibiotics.
They should have listened!

onlylynne

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:25am

romeotuma wrote:

That is so cool you wrote that paper... I am also worried about the casual marketing and use of antibacterial soap these days... it could lead to the development of resistant strains... seems to be another example of greed overriding what should be common sense...

Absolutely. All that is just going to make the problem worse.
And so many other products that are antibacterial. They prey on people's fears.

onlylynne

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 11:07am

musik_knut wrote:

lynne,
Greetings...

Oh, but doctors are and have been for sometime, handing out antibiotics as if they are candies. The emerging health crisis due to a swarm of superbugs is almost upon us. It takes years to create a new family of antibiotics.
mk

Over twenty-six years ago, I wrote my microbiology term paper on the dangers of overusing antibiotics.
They should have listened!

hippiechick

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Posted: Mar 27, 2009 - 9:44am

romeotuma wrote:

I have been hearing incredibly lazy excuses from people for why they do not take vitamins... I am gonna say this as gently as I can— if you do not take vitamins, then you are dumb...

the sad Existential reality is that as we get older, our bodies absorb vitamins less efficiently... taking vitamins is a very special sort of insurance policy... I take one Centrum Silver (Specially Formulated For Adults 50+) even though I am not fifty yet... I take it after breakfast every morning... if you take it after your meal, then it is less likely to bother your stomach, and you will absorb more, because if you take it on an empty stomach, you will just pee it out...

I am about as likely to forget to take a vitamin as I am to forget to drink a cup of coffee— i.e., just get in the habit... you will actually feel better in a couple months... I say that from experience... of course, I ain't no doctor...

shop around and find vitamins that are best for you... it is good to find something with a calcium supplement in it, because we often overlook calcium, and it is essential for us to keep our bones strong, among other things...

we are all in this together...

Thank you for reminding me

musik_knut

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Posted: Mar 20, 2009 - 3:53pm

onlylynne wrote:

I am glad that doctors aren't just handing out antibiotics for everything.
However, I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling bad. Load up on vitamin C and zinc and gargle with hot salt water frequently.

onlylynne

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Posted: Mar 20, 2009 - 9:43am

MrsHobieJoe wrote:

Evil British doctors say no antibiotics for tonsillitis. PLEASE, please give me some drugs. Doesn't he realise that you improve about 30% just by walking in the door of the surgery and another 30% by walking out with a prescription.

cough cough cough.

I am glad that doctors aren't just handing out antibiotics for everything.
However, I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling bad. Load up on vitamin C and zinc and gargle with hot salt water frequently.

musik_knut

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Posted: Mar 9, 2009 - 9:22am

Obama calls cloning 'dangerous, profoundly wrong'

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says human cloning is "dangerous, profoundly wrong" and has no place in society.
Obama made the comments as he was signing an executive order that will allow federal spending on embryonic stem cell research.

Some critics say the research can lead to human cloning. Obama said the government will develop strict guidelines for the research because misuse or abuse is unacceptable.

He said he would ensure that the government never opens the door to the use of cloning for human reproduction

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Finally, some sense in the use of embryonic stem cells. I thought Team Bush was too rigid in this area. I could not agree more with President Obama on NO HUMAN CLONING.

musik_knut

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Posted: Mar 6, 2009 - 7:27pm
romeotuma wrote: Yeah, reefer is actually in the same class as coffee... it does not compare to booze... a pot head never pukes and passes out... more folks die from alcohol than from pot...one is legal, one is not...

musik_knut

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Posted: Mar 6, 2009 - 6:47pm

romeotuma wrote:

I like it, Dr. Knut! Just think of the taxes that could generate— talk about a stimulus package!

BTW, I am gonna visit Brad and his wife Tina next Thursday... Brad is the friend with ALS... think of a good message I can pass to him from you... he was actually touched that someone so far away had a nice message for him when I gave him your message last time...

and also to mention in passing, my best friend is dead... he died in 2002 from his diabetes type 1, which appeared in his early 20's... his younger brother sent me that article below from the BBC about a possible cause of diabetes...

romeo,
I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your best friend...stay steadfast with good memories.

Greetings again to Brad and Tina...

Marijuana has so many uses...now if I could recall them? {#Cool}

Legalized mariujuana would eliminate one drug in the bag of drug dealers and it would generate revenue. If legalized, I would immediately buy stock in companies that make snack foods... {#Wink}

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