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red5_bc
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:59am |
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Palin said: Oh, yeah, it's so obvious I'm a Washington outsider. And someone just not used to the way you guys operate. Because here you voted for the war and now you oppose the war. You're one who says, as so many politicians do, I was for it before I was against it or vice- versa. Americans are craving that straight talk and just want to know, hey, if you voted for it, tell us why you voted for it and it was a war resolution.
I thought this little part was annoying, the way she said it.
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red5_bc
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:56am |
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JrzyTmata wrote: I think she said maverick twice. Joe said it about a brazillion times in a mini rant. the word Bosniacs made me laugh and say wtf? is Spielberg writing his material? Seriously, we should fear the Bosniacs. I hear they carry Laser Cats and are not afraid to use them. Ah, crap Bosniaks is real
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:55am |
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rosedraws wrote:Oh, the winks! I'd like to see that added to the transcript, it was so effin freaky. My friend started shouting out, "don't you wink at me." " don't wink at me I said!" Gestures like that, whether voulntary or involuntary (I'm sure her winks are strategic), are curious, and can cut either way. Gore lost a lot of points in his debate for those audible, heavy sighs. I suspect,. for many people, Palin gains points for being folksy or cute with her winks. Bush's smirks fell somewhere inbetween.
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rosedraws
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:52am |
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JrzyTmata wrote: I think she said maverick twice. Joe said it about a brazillion times in a mini rant. the word Bosniacs made me laugh and say wtf? My count: Palin said Maverick 6 times. Biden said it 9 times in that mini rant. It looks like Palin said reform 13 times. She only said Alaska 7 times? It seemed like 70.
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red5_bc
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:52am |
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rosedraws wrote: Biden said "I don't question their motivation, I question their judgment". So, it's not like the good motivation lets everyone off the hook. I wish he had said he questions their tactics...
Yeah, it wasn't a great anecdote. I liked what he was trying to say, once I figured it out.
Me too, once I figured he was talking about leg braces (I hope) and not orthodontia...
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red5_bc
Location: I use my lasers only for evil. Gender:
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:50am |
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JrzyTmata wrote: I think she said maverick twice. Joe said it about a brazillion times in a mini rant. the word Bosniacs made me laugh and say wtf? Maverick: Palin - 6 Biden - 9 Reform:
Palin - 12 Biden - 0 Change:
Palin - 9 Bident - 17
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rosedraws
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:45am |
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red5_bc wrote: Because Jesse Helms adopted a kid with braces and he felt like a jerk for saying something bad about Jesse? I understand the sentiment but was that really an effective anecdote?
If they all have meaningful motivation, doesn't that excuse all of them for making bad decisions?
Biden said "I don't question their motivation, I question their judgment". So, it's not like the good motivation lets everyone off the hook. I wish he had said he questions their tactics... Yeah, it wasn't a great anecdote. I liked what he was trying to say, once I figured it out.
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JrzyTmata
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:44am |
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rosedraws wrote:I'm looking foward to the word count. How many times did she repeat words like, reform, maverick, and perhaps more than anything, ALASKA.
What things did Biden repeat that bugged the Repub side?
I think she said maverick twice. Joe said it about a brazillion times in a mini rant. the word Bosniacs made me laugh and say wtf? is Spielberg writing his material?
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red5_bc
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:42am |
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rosedraws wrote: He was talking about how he learned to respect his colleagues because they all do what they do with a meaningful motivation.
Wait, maybe you weren't asking a question...
Because Jesse Helms adopted a kid with braces and he felt like a jerk for saying something bad about Jesse? I understand the sentiment but was that really an effective anecdote? If they all have meaningful motivation, doesn't that excuse all of them for making bad decisions?
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rosedraws
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:39am |
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red5_bc wrote:Joe Biden said:I have been able to work across the aisle on some of the most controversial issues and change my party's mind, as well as Republicans', because I learned a lesson from Mike Mansfield. Mike Mansfield, a former leader of the Senate, said to me one day — he — I made a criticism of Jesse Helms. He said, "What would you do if I told you Jesse Helms and Dot Helms had adopted a child who had braces and was in real need?" I said, "I'd feel like a jerk." He said, "Joe, understand one thing. Everyone's sent here for a reason, because there's something in them that their folks like. Don't question their motive." Huh? He was talking about how he learned to respect his colleagues because they all do what they do with a meaningful motivation. Wait, maybe you weren't asking a question...
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red5_bc
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:34am |
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Joe Biden said:I have been able to work across the aisle on some of the most controversial issues and change my party's mind, as well as Republicans', because I learned a lesson from Mike Mansfield. Mike Mansfield, a former leader of the Senate, said to me one day — he — I made a criticism of Jesse Helms. He said, "What would you do if I told you Jesse Helms and Dot Helms had adopted a child who had braces and was in real need?" I said, "I'd feel like a jerk." He said, "Joe, understand one thing. Everyone's sent here for a reason, because there's something in them that their folks like. Don't question their motive." Huh?
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rosedraws
Location: close to the edge Gender:
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:18am |
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I'm looking foward to the word count. How many times did she repeat words like, reform, maverick, and perhaps more than anything, ALASKA.
What things did Biden repeat that bugged the Repub side?
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rosedraws
Location: close to the edge Gender:
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:16am |
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steeler wrote:I'm sure some of it plays with vast segments of the general pubolic, but I tend to agree with your assessment. But you forgot to mention the winks. What's up with that? I found that more inexplicable — and seriously out of place and inappropriate for a VP debate. Again, however, I bet there are those who love that stuff. Maybe even some here. I don't get it — the winks to the audience (and camera). Is it a game?
Oh, the winks! I'd like to see that added to the transcript, it was so effin freaky. My friend started shouting out, "don't you wink at me." " don't wink at me I said!"
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:11am |
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black321 wrote:Saw this in a WSJ comments: Palin definitely won the imaginary debate in her head. She answered all her own questions perfectly. Comment by HedgeFundAnalyst - October 2, 2008 at 10:58 pm What would be great entertainement would be for her to be on SNL and have a mock debate with Tina Fey portraying her. They did something (not a debate) like that with Hillary Clinton. I wonder if —at some point in the future, after the election — they could get her to do that. Palin, I mean.
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black321
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:08am |
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Saw this in a WSJ comments: Palin definitely won the imaginary debate in her head. She answered all her own questions perfectly. Comment by HedgeFundAnalyst - October 2, 2008 at 10:58 pm
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maryte
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:05am |
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stewliscious wrote: Again, I am just curious: won what? They are 2 versions of the same thing packaged in different plastic. They both want your money to give it to someone else, they both want more control over your life. If either of them "win" does that mean that any of us win or lose with them? Why is no one pushing a 3rd (or 4th or 5th ) party? especially here on RP?
Um, the debate - check the thread title. And you must not read the threads much - there's quite a strong (and vocal, eh L8?) contingency for additional parties.
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:05am |
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p4jkafla wrote: Really. Is it too much to ask the participants to stay on topic? Is it too much to expect from a moderator that they keep the participants on topic?
I think Gwen let them roam too much. She even answered yes each time one of them (mostly her) asked if he or she could say something on a topic unrelated to the question. She easily could have politely said no to those requests. But, that said, it is a losing battle to keep pointing out that the candidate is not answering the question. That is why reporters covering the President do not do that except in the most extreme situations. You can ask follow-up questions, but to point out the obvious really won't accomplish anything. It's just sort of nature of the beast. No moderator is going to continually point it out because that is all they would be doing (On the very first question, she did state that neither had answered her question, and they both laughed). The candidates in a poltiical debate will stray. The key is to ask follow-up questions, and I don't think she was very effective on that; could have been stronger. She tended to just stick to her script of questions.
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stewliscious
Location: northGA Gender:
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:01am |
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maryte wrote:Instant Polls Find Biden WinsA CNN poll of Americans who watched the vice presidential debate shows that most felt Sen. Joe Biden beat Gov. Sarah Palin, 51% to 36%. A CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll of uncommitted voters show Biden winning 46% to 21% with 33% calling it a draw. Again, I am just curious: won what? They are 2 versions of the same thing packaged in different plastic. They both want your money to give it to someone else, they both want more control over your life. If either of them "win" does that mean that any of us win or lose with them? Why is no one pushing a 3rd (or 4th or 5th ) party? especially here on RP?
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p4jkafla
Location: New England, USA Gender:
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Oct 3, 2008 - 6:00am |
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Alafia wrote:This has ALWAYS been a pet peeve of mine, the way politicians ignore the question that has just been asked, and go off on some platform pontification, and reporters let them GET AWAY WITH IT. ANSWER THE QUESTION. Really. Is it too much to ask the participants to stay on topic? Is it too much to expect from a moderator that they keep the participants on topic?
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Oct 3, 2008 - 5:58am |
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rosedraws wrote:- Palin's cutesieisms... like "you betcha" and "heck of a"... Folksy is great for some situations, but I think it is grossly inappropriate for a world leader. Very unstatesmanlike. Embarrassing. (Is it my imagination? Or did they really edit a lot of those out of the transcript??)- And how about that whole VP-Should-Have-More-Power thing. let me say again . Where did that come from? What handler thought that would be at all helpful? I though Biden's response was perfect. I'm sure some of it plays with vast segments of the general public, but I tend to agree with your assessment. But you forgot to mention the winks. What's up with that? I found that more inexplicable — and seriously out of place and inappropriate for a VP debate. Again, however, I bet there are those who love that stuff. Maybe even some here. I don't get it — the winks to the audience (and camera). Is it a game? Yeah, that answer about expanding the power of the VP (she said something about enhancing "flexibilitiy", whatever that is supposed to mean) came out of the blue and opened the door for Biden to link she — and McCain — to Cheney. Likle I said in an earlier post this morning, I thought Biden did an effective job of linking McCain to Bush. This exchange is one example.
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