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Aug 28, 2009 - 10:27am |
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owld_skipper wrote: Stockholm Syndrome?
Yeah, and usually you get PTSD as a side dish, too. That woman is going to need years of treatment, and I hope to Hell they don't let her get run through the Nancy Grace mill. Thinking of that - they gave that Octomom beyatch a few hundred K in gratuities and contract fees - I hope to GOD people will get together to help this woman and her children cope - she can't have any real skills, considering the terms of her torturous confinement and, if she disappears into the bowels of DCFS and such, I'll consider that a worse atrocity than the one those three have already been through.
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Lazy8

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Aug 28, 2009 - 10:00am |
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kysmet wrote:when I hear about these things, I really start to think that, if that situation, I wish they'd just kill me. It's just got to feel hopeless after a certain amount of time.
Which situation? The parents? They went thru hell. They had given up, raised their other kid, broke up. Maybe the homecoming (and the arrival of two grandkids, however they got there) can heal their family. I hope so. I can't think of anything worse to live thru. The young woman? She has now spent more time with her abductors than with her parents. She probably saw her life as...normal. Whatever we think of it she has had 18 years of captivity to adjust to it. Her kids may face a bigger shock than she. What the whole thing may teach us is how strong we are, what we can adapt to, what we can heal from. The opposite of despair.
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K_Love

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Aug 28, 2009 - 9:28am |
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when I hear about these things, I really start to think that, if that situation, I wish they'd just kill me. It's just got to feel hopeless after a certain amount of time.
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Alexandra

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Aug 28, 2009 - 9:24am |
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JrzyTmata wrote: that was a computer generated age progression photo
Well THAT explains it. Thanks, Jrz.....I didn't think there was any way she could look that healthy/happy——even if she got that thing where a kidnapped person bonds with their captor.
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K_Love

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Aug 28, 2009 - 9:14am |
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JrzyTmata wrote: that was a computer generated age progression photo
Yeah, they haven't really shown her other than, I think, a very short snippet.
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Aug 28, 2009 - 9:12am |
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Alexandra wrote:
What's weird is that the girl looked so happy and well-adjusted in that photo of her they put next to her childhood picture. They must've done a number on her haid.
that was a computer generated age progression photo
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Alexandra

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Aug 28, 2009 - 9:08am |
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meower wrote:
they were her kids of him werent they? whatta sick mfer
What's weird is that the girl looked so happy and well-adjusted in that photo of her they put next to her childhood picture. They must've done a number on her haid.
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meower

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Aug 28, 2009 - 7:58am |
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hippiechick wrote: She and 2 young girls of around 11 were kept as sex slaves in the back yard, with no schooling or doctor visits
they were her kids of him werent they? whatta sick mfer
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hippiechick

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Aug 28, 2009 - 7:31am |
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kysmet wrote:
"kidnapping to commit rape"....I can't even imagine what her last 18 years have been like. She and 2 young girls of around 11 were kept as sex slaves in the back yard, with no schooling or doctor visits
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Aug 28, 2009 - 7:26am |
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kysmet wrote:
"kidnapping to commit rape"....I can't even imagine what her last 18 years have been like.
or what the next 18 will be like that poor soul....
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Aug 28, 2009 - 5:37am |
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dmax wrote:Just reading about the bastard and his wife that had hidden away that girl and then her children (I hesitate to use the words, but it's true, she had an 11 yr old and a 15 yr old with her kidnapper). It was in Antioch, CA, a few miles from where I work. You can easily googlemap their place and see the blue tarps. Here's the guy's blog. Clearly schizophrenic. He's saying things in the press now about how, when we hear the whole story, it'll be not like we expect but really be heartwarming.  ewww - skimmed that blog - got disorganized schizophrenia written all over it - I wonder if he's had a diagnosis history, schiz tends to manifest in the late teens to mid twenties. Oh, and, his 'web site' godsdesire.net is blank and likely will remain so.
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Aug 28, 2009 - 12:47am |
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Interestingly, not mentioned in the ABC News report: MSNBC does it better. Garrido told NBC station KCRA of Sacramento in a telephone interview Thursday from jail that he has turned his life around.
“Wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house,” he said. “You are going to be completely impressed. It’s a disgusting thing that took place with me at the beginning. But I turned my life completely around and to be able to understand that, you have to start there.” (...)
The case broke after Garrido was spotted Tuesday with two children as he tried to enter the University of California, Berkeley, campus to hand out religious literature. The officers said he was acting suspiciously toward the children. Shades of Fritzl
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JustineFromWyomi...

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Aug 27, 2009 - 9:40pm |
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Oh... I can't believe it I can see it on Google maps. I'm going to have nightmares tonight. That poor woman and her poor children.
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Leslie

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Aug 27, 2009 - 8:25pm |
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dmax wrote:Just reading about the bastard and his wife that had hidden away that girl and then her children (I hesitate to use the words, but it's true, she had an 11 yr old and a 15 yr old with her kidnapper). It was in Antioch, CA, a few miles from where I work. You can easily googlemap their place and see the blue tarps. Here's the guy's blog. Clearly schizophrenic. He's saying things in the press now about how, when we hear the whole story, it'll be not like we expect but really be heartwarming.  Antioch? Frickin A. BHD mentioned the incident today, but not that it took place in Antioch.
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Aug 27, 2009 - 8:22pm |
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Just reading about the bastard and his wife that had hidden away that girl and then her children (I hesitate to use the words, but it's true, she had an 11 yr old and a 15 yr old with her kidnapper). It was in Antioch, CA, a few miles from where I work. You can easily googlemap their place and see the blue tarps. Here's the guy's blog. Clearly schizophrenic. He's saying things in the press now about how, when we hear the whole story, it'll be not like we expect but really be heartwarming.
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K_Love

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Aug 27, 2009 - 10:35am |
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jagdriver wrote: Yes, I read this a bit before you posted, but there's obviously much more to the story. What a life disruption to both the victim and her entire family!
"kidnapping to commit rape"....I can't even imagine what her last 18 years have been like.
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jagdriver

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Aug 27, 2009 - 10:30am |
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MrsHobieJoe wrote: Yes, I read this a bit before you posted, but there's obviously much more to the story. What a life disruption to both the victim and her entire family!
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MrsHobieJoe

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Aug 27, 2009 - 10:23am |
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jadewahoo

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Aug 24, 2009 - 2:01pm |
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cc_rider wrote:Agreed. I was forgetting the distinction between Taliban and Al-Qaeda. My concern is a lawless Afghanistan allows any manner of scumbags to proliferate: would the Taliban expel (presumably with 'extreme prejudice') other terrorist groups? If that was the choice, I'd be okay with it. As you said, how they choose to be ruled is not our really our business, as long as their rule (or lack thereof) does not allow safe haven to scumbags who wish US harm. I like to imagine the Afghan people would eventually rise up against their oppressors, IF the myriad factions could reach enough consensus to do so.
Again, there's always two sides to the coin: what if we threw up our hands and left Afghanistan to its own devices? Say the Taliban expels foreign terrorists, so Afghanistan now poses no real threat. The Taliban is still committed to keeping Afghanistan in the stone age, with human rights abuses that make China look positively progressive. Do we have an obligation to intercede? Some argue we do, others say it's none of our business. I don't know what the answer is.
That is a choice fraught with challenges no matter which way the USA moves. If the people of Afghanistan, as represented by its lawful endowed government, or its nascent movement of Freedom Fighters, request USA intervention, and it is the express will of the people of the USA, consulted and informed, to respond, then yes. If these criteria are not met, then we must refrain. However, if the lawfully endowed government is the Taliban or a Taliban frinedly regime, this is not going to happen. And Freedom Fighters? Just another word for Terrorists, depending on whose agenda they serve.
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cc_rider

Location: Bastrop Gender:  
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Aug 24, 2009 - 1:51pm |
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jadewahoo wrote: cc_rider wrote:The problem is not that simple, of course. Yeah, the Taliban would have their hands full trying to 'govern' their country, but the fact is they WON'T. Which is what caused, or rather allowed, the rise of terrorists. Due to the utter lawlessness of Afghanistan, terrorists have a safe haven for planning, training, whatever. Oh yeah, and when they run out of money, they can terrorize the locals into submission, taking the opium crop, whatever.
We have a vested interest in making Afghanistan safe, because it has been a breeding ground for people who intend to do harm to the West. The local population has no real ability to defend themselves from the scumbags who terrorize them. Worse, the terrorists hide behind religion as an excuse for their actions, but the fact is they are thugs and criminals, no different from the Mexican drug gangs or our own organized crime syndicates.
On the other hand, I absolutely agree that imposing a government upon Afghans is a non-starter. The country is (in)famously non-governable, and all attempts have ended in failure. The real question is, how do we prevent an un-governed Afghanistan from exporting its miscreants around the globe? Sure, if they want to allow scumbags to operate within their borders, it's nothing to us, but those same scumbags have traveled all over the world, with disastrous consequences. We cannot allow that, but there does not seem any clear way to prevent it without imposing some kind of government. Upon a populace unused to, and likely incapable of, being governed.
The first step is to recognize tht the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are two very separate and distinct groups of thugs who have aligned themselves against a common enemy: the USA. Remove their common bond and their alliance falls apart. Even the Taliban despise Al-Qaeda and their agenda. Al-Qaeda no longer operates within Afghanistan. Their organization is centered in Pakistan. The Taliban does not have an agenda of exporting its brand of extremism beyond Afghanistan and Pakistan. They have, in fact, shown no inclination to take their jihad outside of home territories, and certainly not to the door of the USA. once again, ackowledging the despicable nature of the taliban, if the Aghan people get sick enough of the Taliban, then they will rise up against them. Saudia Arabia and Egypt are two Sunni nations that are more than willing to assist the decapitation of extremeist elements within their own Sunni sects, as it is they who are mot directly the targets of Islamist militants. As long as the USA and the UN and take up the job, they have no call to align their own populations into action against fellow Muslims. It is time to let them step up to the plate and handle their own bad-boys. Agreed. I was forgetting the distinction between Taliban and Al-Qaeda. My concern is a lawless Afghanistan allows any manner of scumbags to proliferate: would the Taliban expel (presumably with 'extreme prejudice') other terrorist groups? If that was the choice, I'd be okay with it. As you said, how they choose to be ruled is not our really our business, as long as their rule (or lack thereof) does not allow safe haven to scumbags who wish US harm. I like to imagine the Afghan people would eventually rise up against their oppressors, IF the myriad factions could reach enough consensus to do so. Again, there's always two sides to the coin: what if we threw up our hands and left Afghanistan to its own devices? Say the Taliban expels foreign terrorists, so Afghanistan now poses no real threat. The Taliban is still committed to keeping Afghanistan in the stone age, with human rights abuses that make China look positively progressive. Do we have an obligation to intercede? Some argue we do, others say it's none of our business. I don't know what the answer is.
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