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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 7:23pm

rgio wrote:

So now you care about deficits? The US federal deficit is $35T with an annual budget of $7T (deficit of 500%)... no worries...lower taxes. California per your link has $158B debt with a $300B budget (deficit of 50%), and the real estate taxes from the fire are armageddon. Do you ever get tired of being foolish?

I didn't bring up the budget, you did and I just responded. Never was my point, it was yours.

I only mentioned that Newsome was blocking the legitimate sale of property and his motivation for it. It is also to keep people from cashing out and moving taking their taxable income part out of the tax base with them.

Newsome is desperate to keep people from leaving with the annual loss around 700,000 people per year. That is a boat load of taxable income going bye, bye. He has been trying hard to get an exit tax imposed as a penalty for leaving. So far he has failed to get that done.

You're playing checkers.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 6:27pm

kurtster wrote:

In the fiscal year of 2024, California's state debt stood at about 158.05 billion U.S. dollars. Comparatively, the state's debt was 57.17 billion U.S. dollars in 2000.

The cost of this fire has been estimated to be up to $200 billion and rising. That money is real and is going to come from somewhere.

The budget deficit for 2024 - 2025 is set to be $68 billion. Put those numbers in your rounding errors ...

C'ya ...

So now you care about deficits? The US federal deficit is $35T with an annual budget of $7T (deficit of 500%)... no worries...lower taxes.

California per your link has $158B debt with a $300B budget (deficit of 50%), and the real estate taxes from the fire are armageddon.

Do you ever get tired of being foolish?

kurtster

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 5:47pm

rgio wrote:

The CA budget is almost $300B.

The impact of the real estate taxes from the fires are a rounding error. Turn off the TV, stop spewing rhetoric, and think before typing the next foolish comment.

Later, I'm out (thought I'd beat you to it this time).

rgio

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 5:27pm

kurtster wrote:

There is going to be hell to pay for this one. This one is going to cripple California. Newsome is already blocking sales of burned out properties. No he's not protecting the homeowner, he's protecting the tax base. The property tax on an burned out lot at the sale price is a hell of a lot less than one with a $1 million structure standing on it.

For somebody who says they know California, you sure have a blind spot for reality.

The damage is staggering, but in CA 12,000 owner-occupied residences equals about 0.16% of all properties (out of ~7.5M in the state).

(12,000 / 7,500,000) * 100 â 0.16%

Newsom said that CA will not re-assess homes rebuilt, meaning he's going to lose a bit of money on initial assessment, but as we all know, the new homes will be worth more than those that burned, and those homes will flip and the tax revenue will go up.

The CA budget is almost $300B. The impact of the real estate taxes from the fires are a rounding error. Turn off the TV, stop spewing rhetoric, and think before typing the next foolish comment.

Later, I'm out (thought I'd beat you to it this time).

kurtster

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 4:47pm

islander wrote:

kurtster wrote:

Nice conflation. The subject is the Los Angeles fires, right ? And the mismanagement of resources given known and predictable events.

and how those known predictable events are made significantly worse by climate change, but you are focused on resume critiques instead of the glaring klaxon of a problem that you refuse to acknowledge. right?

These fires are going to be where the rubber meets the road regarding the excuse of Climate Change for the reason for the disaster. It is not going to fly with this one.

This is the big one, bigger than the one started by Mrs O'Leary's cow.

There is going to be hell to pay for this one. This one is going to cripple California. Newsome is already blocking sales of burned out properties. No he's not protecting the homeowner, he's protecting the tax base. The property tax on an burned out lot at the sale price is a hell of a lot less than one with a $1 million structure standing on it.

L A has an estimated 200,000 millionaires and 43 billionaires.

This time, the rich people suffered as well as everyone else. There have been at least 12,000 and counting, structures burned. People are pissed, to put it mildly. We are in constant contact with friends. The wife is networking a group to find shelter for homeless pets and hears it.

California is set to lose 4 to 5 House seats in 2030 due to population loss and this will only accelerate it.

Calling it Climate Change is not going to work on this one.

To use a local expression, saying it's Climate Change is the same things as saying mañanya ... as in I'll get to it ...

rgio

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 4:25pm

kurtster wrote:

Nice conflation.

The subject is the Los Angeles fires, right ? And the mismanagement of resources given known and predictable events.

If you look at FEMA funding from 2017-2019 (periods that have wrapped), and allocate the spend by resident, you get the following:

State	FEMA $/Resident
.Louisiana	2,721
.Hawaii	1,551
.Florida	953
.Alaska	687
.Texas	639
.Arkansas	530
.Vermont	525
.Nebraska	454
.Iowa	447
.South Dakota	385
.Kentucky	362
.North Carolina	334
.Mississippi	293
.West Virginia	278
.California	230
.Oregon	223
.Alabama	222
.Oklahoma	209
.Kansas	206
.South Carolina	206
.New Mexico	184
.North Dakota	182
.Missouri	173
.Georgia	163
.Michigan	123
.Montana	122
.Maine	115

The rest are under $100/pp.

I don't recall your outrage over hurricane mismanagement for Harvey, Irma, Maria, Michael, or Florence. The numbers above include wildfires for those years, including the camp fire. Hurricanes are as predictable and drought and Santa Ana winds in CA. Why don't they plan better?

Historically, California is a net funder of FEMA... paying more in taxes to support the program than they draw. All of the red states you suggest are "so well run"... they use California's money to pay for their disasters.

Do you ever think about your positions, or do you just wanna be as big an asshole as possible like all the other cult members?

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 4:24pm
Just following The Party Line... Trump energy chief pick says linking wildfires to climate crisis is âhypeâ

islander

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 4:06pm
kurtster wrote: Nice conflation. The subject is the Los Angeles fires, right ? And the mismanagement of resources given known and predictable events. and how those known predictable events are made significantly worse by climate change, but you are focused on resume critiques instead of the glaring klaxon of a problem that you refuse to acknowledge. right?

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 3:13pm
islander wrote: nice sidebar. But the three bullet points listed specifically note how human caused climate change is making things worse. would you care to dodge again? Nice conflation. The subject is the Los Angeles fires, right ? And the mismanagement of resources given known and predictable events.

islander

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 3:07pm

kurtster wrote:

The Santa Ana Winds are unique to the area. And just a little reminder, SoCal is a desert, not some lush tropical paradise. Deserts are known to be dry. One reason they call them deserts IIRC. No matter how much you irrigate the place, it is still a desert. This is the life cycle of deserts and in particular in the area where the Santa Ana's blow.

This particular desert has been populated beyond sustainability.

nice sidebar. But the three bullet points listed specifically note how human caused climate change is making things worse. would you care to dodge again?

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 3:00pm
geoff_morphini wrote: Prove that Santa Ana Wind intensity and occurrence has not changed over time, cite your sources. In what time frame ? Prove that they have. You do know that the Missions were built to stand up and resist these winds ? That they were that big of a deal centuries ago.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:59pm

islander wrote:

kurtster wrote:

In the case of the Santa Ana Winds, climate change has absolutely nothing to do with them. These winds are the direct result of geographic features only which allow these winds to happen, the same as they have for millennia. And will continue until California falls into the ocean because of the Big One. Climate change does not explain everything regardless of how much you try.

And no matter how hard you try to deny it, there is an impact due to human caused climate change. These changes are making the base problem significantly worse.

U.S. wildfires are being fueled by southwestern North America’s driest 22-year period in at least 1,200 years, based on soil water content. Human-caused climate change was responsible for 42% of that soil dryness. ¹
In the western United Stateshuman-caused climate change caused more than half the increase in forest fuel aridity (how dry and flammable vegetation is) since the 1970s and has approximately doubled the cumulative area burned in forest fires since 1984.²
Climate change-related declines in western spring snowpack, and increased evaporation from higher temperatures in spring, summer, and fall, have in the decades since the early 1980s reduced moisture and contributed to a marked increase in the frequency of large fires and the total area burned by western wildfires.³ A study of western U.S. ponderosa pine and Douglas fir forests concluded that climate change-related moisture deficits are undermining post-wildfire forest regeneration and recovery there

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:55pm

kurtster wrote:

In the case of the Santa Ana Winds, climate change has absolutely nothing to do with them. These winds are the direct result of geographic features only which allow these winds to happen, the same as they have for millennia. And will continue until California falls into the ocean because of the Big One.

Climate change does not explain everything regardless of how much you try.

Prove that Santa Ana Wind intensity and occurrence has not changed over time, cite your sources. CA will not fall into the ocean either.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:55pm
kurtster wrote: Climate change does not explain everything regardless of how much you try. Nobody claims it explains everything, including how fires get started. It does explain how it will eventually become unmanageable due to frequency and severity, regardless of who's in power.

islander

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:42pm

kurtster wrote:

In the case of the Santa Ana Winds, climate change has absolutely nothing to do with them. These winds are the direct result of geographic features only which allow these winds to happen, the same as they have for millennia. And will continue until California falls into the ocean because of the Big One.

Climate change does not explain everything regardless of how much you try.

And no matter how hard you try to deny it, there is an impact due to human caused climate change. These changes are making the base problem significantly worse.

U.S. wildfires are being fueled by southwestern North Americaâs driest 22-year period in at least 1,200 years, based on soil water content. Human-caused climate change was responsible for 42% of that soil dryness. ¹
In the western United States human-caused climate change caused more than half the increase in forest fuel aridity (how dry and flammable vegetation is) since the 1970s and has approximately doubled the cumulative area burned in forest fires since 1984.²
Climate change-related declines in western spring snowpack, and increased evaporation from higher temperatures in spring, summer, and fall, have in the decades since the early 1980s reduced moisture and contributed to a marked increase in the frequency of large fires and the total area burned by western wildfires.³ A study of western U.S. ponderosa pine and Douglas fir forests concluded that climate change-related moisture deficits are undermining post-wildfire forest regeneration and recovery there

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:36pm

R_P wrote:

kurtster wrote:

It just ain't gonna change.

For sure if you keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

In the case of the Santa Ana Winds, climate change has absolutely nothing to do with them. These winds are the direct result of geographic features only which allow these winds to happen, the same as they have for millennia. And will continue until California falls into the ocean because of the Big One.

Climate change does not explain everything regardless of how much you try.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:20pm
kurtster wrote: It just ain't gonna change. For sure if you keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:14pm
kurtster wrote: Y'all realize that this is the same conversation after every fire, right ? Same convo after a shooting, too. This is the textbook definition of insanity. Keep putting the same people in charge and expecting different results. It just ain't gonna change. but if we create a department of fire control, with a budget of $xxx...

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 2:06pm
Y'all realize that this is the same conversation after every fire, right ? Same convo after a shooting, too. This is the textbook definition of insanity. Keep putting the same people in charge and expecting different results. It just ain't gonna change.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2025 - 12:34pm

haresfur wrote:

The undergrowth and dead material on the ground are the problems. Doesn't take much to get that started.

There are other challenges when it comes to urban areas. Sure, you can say that people should get rid of all the vegetation around their houses but the urban heat island is a real problem between fires. You could use plants that are less prone to burn but they tend to use more water and we don't have enough water. Maybe just cut down all the vegetation in the hills around LA? That's the only thing holding the mud and debris in place. Wait until the next big rains and watch the burned areas flow downhill.

yes, and that season is upon us....too.
Are there are full answers to living in areas prone to wildfires, flooding, tornadoes, earthquakes, cougar attacks...other than don't build there? (which aint happening)

Going to a different area...just wait till this $17M cut in the LAFD budget turns into billions of additional funding going forward.
Every time we have a disaster - 9/11, pandemic, homelessness, floods - the answer's always bigger budgets,, more bureaucracy.

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