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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 5, 2020 - 11:27am



 cc_rider wrote:
Latest info on Beirut is indeed ammonium nitrate. Around 2500 TONS of the stuff

...it was used in the Oklahoma City bombing.
 

about 2 tons in OKC. I can't even imagine what 1000x more would have done.
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Posted: Aug 5, 2020 - 10:55am



 cc_rider wrote:
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Why it is not regulated better is a complete mystery. Gas stations, for one example, are required to have extensive leak prevention/detection systems, monitoring wells, etc. But the regulations on ammonium nitrate are either flimsy, unenforced or both. Sure, Lebanon's government is not exactly on top of things, but here in the US we have tons and tons of the stuff, lightly regulated if at all.
c.
 
Lebanon is close to failed state status.  The Lebanese might have played well with each other once upon a time but now they do not.

Unfortunately, Lebanese society was not strong enough to withstand the negative fall-out from the Israeli nuclear weapons anti-Semitic affirmative action ethnic-cleansing terrorism program.    Americans can be proud of how they contributed to that process.  But don't worry, we have lots of anti-Semitic ethnic-cleansing terrorists here in Canada too.
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Posted: Aug 5, 2020 - 10:29am

Latest info on Beirut is indeed ammonium nitrate. Around 2500 TONS of the stuff, seized(?) about six years ago and stored improperly. Basically a bomb with a slow fuse.

Texas City suffered an ammonium nitrate disaster in 1947 - about 400 people were killed, many bodies were never recovered.
West, Texas had an explosion in 2013 that killed 15 people - most were first responders battling the initial blaze.
China has had its share of accidents involving it, and it was used in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Why it is not regulated better is a complete mystery. Gas stations, for one example, are required to have extensive leak prevention/detection systems, monitoring wells, etc. But the regulations on ammonium nitrate are either flimsy, unenforced or both. Sure, Lebanon's government is not exactly on top of things, but here in the US we have tons and tons of the stuff, lightly regulated if at all.
c.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 7:45pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
I'm hearing that it was some old captured sodium nitrate.  Just takes a little bit of water to set it off.
 
Freshman year, first semester, I had a buddy down the hall that would steal small amounts of solid sodium, slide it under someone's dorm room door, and then - after knocking to make sure it was noticed, pour water under the door to ignite the metal.

Good times.

 
I understand nitrogen triiodide is pretty fun, too. Although I deny having any first hand experience 

Steely_D

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 7:02pm



 kurtster wrote:
I'm hearing that it was some old captured sodium nitrate.  Just takes a little bit of water to set it off.
 
Freshman year, first semester, I had a buddy down the hall that would steal small amounts of solid sodium, slide it under someone's dorm room door, and then - after knocking to make sure it was noticed, pour water under the door to ignite the metal.

Good times.

kurtster

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 6:42pm

 haresfur wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
I'm hearing that it was some old captured sodium nitrate.  Just takes a little bit of water to set it off.

Learned about the explosive properties of sodium back in the 70's for some unremembered reason.

Now kinda remembering ... It had to do with metals that can burn.  There were some instances of commercial jets with bad tires that were blowing out on hard landings and the magnesium wheels were catching on fire from being scraped on the runway.  What not to put these kinds of fires out with.
 
Sodium nitrate is different from sodium metal and can't be "set off" by water. The early reports are that it was ammonium nitrate used in fertilizers and explosives. Mixed with hydrocarbons like kerosene, it goes boom if something sets it off. It's relatively safe because it won't go off if you hit it with a hammer.  I wouldn't recommend storing it with fireworks, but I'm no expert.

 
Thanks for the clarification.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 5:40pm



 kurtster wrote:
I'm hearing that it was some old captured sodium nitrate.  Just takes a little bit of water to set it off.

Learned about the explosive properties of sodium back in the 70's for some unremembered reason.

Now kinda remembering ... It had to do with metals that can burn.  There were some instances of commercial jets with bad tires that were blowing out on hard landings and the magnesium wheels were catching on fire from being scraped on the runway.  What not to put these kinds of fires out with.
 
Sodium nitrate is different from sodium metal and can't be "set off" by water. The early reports are that it was ammonium nitrate used in fertilizers and explosives. Mixed with hydrocarbons like kerosene, it goes boom if something sets it off. It's relatively safe because it won't go off if you hit it with a hammer.  I wouldn't recommend storing it with fireworks, but I'm no expert.

kurtster

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 4:55pm

I'm hearing that it was some old captured sodium nitrate.  Just takes a little bit of water to set it off.

Learned about the explosive properties of sodium back in the 70's for some unremembered reason.

Now kinda remembering ... It had to do with metals that can burn.  There were some instances of commercial jets with bad tires that were blowing out on hard landings and the magnesium wheels were catching on fire from being scraped on the runway.  What not to put these kinds of fires out with.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 11:58am



 cc_rider wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 

My guess - ammunition dump.
 
I'm leaning toward ammonium nitrate or something similar. Regardless, it's awful.
c.

 

Apparently a fire started at a fireworks plant that was there but reportedly there was also ammonium nitrate stored separately at the port.  (thus the orange cloud perhaps)?
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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 11:55am



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 

My guess - ammunition dump.
 
I'm leaning toward ammonium nitrate or something similar. Regardless, it's awful.
c.

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 11:54am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:
busy

but it seems something came through my news feed about a massive explosion in beirut 

it looks very bad

{#Neutral}
edit: here's a video (maybe a fireworks depot)
 

Wow, this one is intense.
 
My first thought was ammo dump as well, but early reports are indicating fireworks which if you look at beginning of explosion you can see the flashes.  Don't know if you remember the Mexico fireworks explosion, but if you have enough go off in an enclosed area it can be quite the explosion.{#Eek}
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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 10:33am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 

My guess - ammunition dump.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 10:20am



 miamizsun wrote:
busy

but it seems something came through my news feed about a massive explosion in beirut 

it looks very bad

{#Neutral}

edit: here's a video (maybe a fireworks depot)


 

Wow, this one is intense.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 9:32am

{#Eek}
cc_rider

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 9:28am



 miamizsun wrote:
busy

but it seems something came through my news feed about a massive explosion in beirut 

it looks very bad

{#Neutral}
 
Yeah, it looks bad. Pics out already show bodies. No word yet on the cause(s).

Looks somewhat similar to the Texas City Disaster in 1947. Worst industrial accident in US history. Let's hope it's not that bad.
c.

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Posted: Aug 4, 2020 - 9:10am

busy

but it seems something came through my news feed about a massive explosion in beirut 

it looks very bad

{#Neutral}
edit: here's a video (maybe a fireworks depot)


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Posted: Jun 23, 2020 - 10:37am

7.5 earthquake in Mexico. Tsunami warning. Yeesh.
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kurtster

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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 4:49pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
So someone does the the right thing and you mock them for it.

At least with your headline. {#Rolleyes}

Typical.
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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 3:47pm



 R_P wrote:

Oh noes!


Incoming tweet... "The failing NASCAR..."
 
No doubt.

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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 3:41pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Oh noes!

Incoming tweet... "The failing NASCAR..."
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