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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 3:58pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

So I was wondering about how the boatshipvesselcraft could even get to the piers. NYTimes coverage talked about the "fenders" around most piers that are for exactly this situation. The SF/Oakland Bay Bridge took a hit several years ago but the fenders did their job.

The Key Bridge has little bollards (my term), not full fenders, too small to stop a modern container ship. Probably good for the big ships of the day. But in this case, the people who saw the thing turn abruptly, it might be because it hit one of these.





seems the ship lost power before the accident...


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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 3:05pm

So I was wondering about how the boatshipvesselcraft could even get to the piers. NYTimes coverage talked about the "fenders" around most piers that are for exactly this situation. The SF/Oakland Bay Bridge took a hit several years ago but the fenders did their job.

The Key Bridge has little bollards (my term), not full fenders, too small to stop a modern container ship. Probably good for the big ships of the day. But in this case, the people who saw the thing turn abruptly, it might be because it hit one of these.


ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 2:51pm

 kurtster wrote:

Think of the Nimitz Freeway collapse during the earthquake when the World Series was going on.

Could'a been the same thing ...


My thoughts exactly. When the "Cypress Structure" collapsed I knew there were hundreds killed because I had been in 5pm traffic there before and there was never enough room to shift out of maybe second. But nearly everyone had already found a TV to watch the game.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 12:03pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


Sorry, I wasn't having a dig at you or anyone. Just commenting that bad shit frequently happens on boats. Even to the best skippers.


Even if it’s only supposed to be a three hour tour. 
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 11:25am

 kurtster wrote:

The boat was old and not fully updated.

There.  Happy now ?

Sheezus.


Sorry, I wasn't having a dig at you or anyone. Just commenting that bad shit frequently happens on boats. Even to the best skippers.
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 11:11am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

The ship was old and not fully updated.  It was grandfathered in to get by a lot of the requirements. Local harbour pilots are SOP worldwide.  Shit still happens even when everything is good.
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The boat was old and not fully updated.

There.  Happy now ?

Sheezus.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 10:50am

 Steely_D wrote:

My Better Half™ (RN, triage nurse) and I rushed back to Highland where we met/worked once we saw that it had fallen. I helped clean out the ER of things that could get scooted out before the ambulances arrived. And then we waited.
And waited. And they never came. No one had lived.



yikes. 


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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 10:43am

 Steely_D wrote:

Reading now that a mayday call resulted in people being stopped from coming onto the bridge (!!) and there were eight pothole-filling construction workers that fell, and six are unaccounted for.

Much less (but still) horrible than my image of a bridge full of commuters plunging into the water on their way to work. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2...


Shades of the Sunshine Skyway back in 1980. Whole Greyhound bus fell in that one.   https://www.tampabay.com/news/...

Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 10:34am

 kurtster wrote:

Think of the Nimitz Freeway collapse during the earthquake when the World Series was going on.

Could'a been the same thing ...

My Better Half™ (RN, triage nurse) and I rushed back to Highland where we met/worked once we saw that it had fallen. I helped clean out the ER of things that could get scooted out before the ambulances arrived. And then we waited.
And waited. And they never came. No one had lived.


NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 9:24am

 kurtster wrote:

The ship was old and not fully updated.  It was grandfathered in to get by a lot of the requirements.

Local harbour pilots are SOP worldwide.  Shit still happens even when everything is good.


boats
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 9:19am

 Steely_D wrote:
Much less (but still) horrible than my image of a bridge full of commuters plunging into the water on their way to work. 

 
Think of the Nimitz Freeway collapse during the earthquake when the World Series was going on.

Could'a been the same thing ...
rgio

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 9:04am

 Steely_D wrote:

Reading now that a mayday call resulted in people being stopped from coming onto the bridge (!!) and there were eight pothole-filling construction workers that fell, and six are unaccounted for.

Much less (but still) horrible than my image of a bridge full of commuters plunging into the water on their way to work. 


There is a truck that passes going right to left just before impact.  It had only 1 span to clear before it was on the "ground supported" section... I assume they made it across.

Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 9:01am

Reading now that a mayday call resulted in people being stopped from coming onto the bridge (!!) and there were eight pothole-filling construction workers that fell, and six are unaccounted for.

Much less (but still) horrible than my image of a bridge full of commuters plunging into the water on their way to work. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2...
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 8:48am

 Steely_D wrote:
from Bsky: “A South Korean-built ship chartered by a Danish country, sailing under a Singapore flag with an Indian crew and under the control of two Maryland-hired pilots hits a state-operated bridge. God, the investigation is going to be complicated.”
 
The ship was old and not fully updated.  It was grandfathered in to get by a lot of the requirements.

Local harbour pilots are SOP worldwide.  Shit still happens even when everything is good.
DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 8:30am

They said using sonar they found some submerged vehicles... Hope nobody went down with them...
rgio

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 8:25am



One of the worst parts... the poor guys working on the bridge at 1:30 in the morning never stood a chance.  You can see the trucks on the deck as it collapses.  It looks somewhat graceful, but it's a long way down and that's a lot of very heavy material flying around.  Really a terrible event.


Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 6:58am

from Bsky: “A South Korean-built ship chartered by a Danish country, sailing under a Singapore flag with an Indian crew and under the control of two Maryland-hired pilots hits a state-operated bridge. God, the investigation is going to be complicated.”
Beez

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 6:30am

 maryte wrote:

Holy schnikeys!




Right?!?  Wow. 
maryte

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 6:13am

Holy schnikeys!

kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 5:49am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Now it seems to have lost power. 
https://www.nytimes.com/video/...
seems to be corroborated by this video too.   still a bit strange for it to veer off course so quickly unless the tide/wind was really pushing against it or somehow the rudder was affected by the power loss, or all three.  Apart from the inevitable loss of life (nightmare way to die), I wonder how long the port is going to be closed.
 
Evidently the rudder got stuck for whatever reason.

Months.  Balmer is the 9th largest port in the US.  Primary cargos are construction materials and autos. And cruise lines.

Annual bridge traffic is 11 million vehicles.  This is a big deal.  The only good news is that it wasn't rush hour.
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