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kcar

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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 11:12am

 rgio wrote:

Your simple life must be wonderfully colorful not having to deal with any grey.

There is no doubt he is the product of conservatism.  It's what made him such so good with a rifle.

What you want to paint as liberal is the acceptance of trans people.  Somehow, the shooter ended up in what was obviously a meaningful relationship with someone whose sexual identity was more complicated than yours.  Knowing where he came from, I can only imagine there was a LOT of confusion.  Conservative parents... trans boyfriend... yikes.

Enter Charlie Kirk, who attacks and degrades the person you're now in love with.  "Trans is a mental delusion".   There are "too many transgender Americans".  "You're an abomination to God".  

This isn't debate, it's pontificating.   Charlie made a lot of statements that are just undeniably wrong, and attacked a lot of people in the name of "debate".

Sure, the left accepts that people who want to change sexual identity are still entitled to a bit of respect, but that doesn't mean our shooter turned "radical".  He's like tens of millions of American young men... confused, frustrated, angry.  

But the right, starting with Trump, looks for leverage, not solutions or reconciliation.  Attack, attack, attack!

The left doesn't do that.  When Melissa Hortman and her husband were murdered, democratic leaders didn't repeatedly blame the radical right....they blamed the shooter and the broader acceptance of political violence.   

The fact you can't see the difference is the root cause of limitless problems these days.


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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 9:28am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


Hang on a minute mate, it might be injured or lame.




rgio

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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 9:28am

 GeneP59 wrote:

It’s not Breaking News if you keep beating a dead horse that died last week. Create a new rant forum.


You need to watch CNN.... it's breaking until something else is.

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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 9:14am

 GeneP59 wrote:

It’s not Breaking News if you keep beating a dead horse that died last week. Create a new rant forum.



Hang on a minute mate, it might be injured or lame.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 9:12am

It’s not Breaking News if you keep beating a dead horse that died last week. Create a new rant forum.
islander

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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 8:46am

 rgio wrote:


What you want to paint as liberal is the acceptance of trans people.  Somehow, the shooter ended up in what was obviously a meaningful relationship with someone whose sexual identity was more complicated than yours.  Knowing where he came from, I can only imagine there was a LOT of confusion.  Conservative parents... trans boyfriend... yikes.

Don't forget the church. More specifically the Mormon church that has very clear guidance for its followers on this topic. 

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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 8:40am

 rgio wrote:
Enter Charlie Kirk, who attacks and degrades the person you're now in love with.  "Trans is a mental delusion".   There are "too many transgender Americans".  "You're an abomination to God".  

This isn't debate, it's pontificating.   Charlie made a lot of statements that are just undeniably wrong, and attacked a lot of people in the name of "debate".

Hate begets hate.

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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 8:32am

 kurtster wrote:
To me, I see the left trying as hard as possible to get as far away as possible from the shooter and as fast as possible.

The shooter embodies all the policies of the progressive left in one neat and tidy package.  He is the direct result of all of the policies and rhetoric of modern progressivism.

The examples of the desperation of the distancing are very telling.  You only have to look around at the memes being posted by the usual suspects.

Clearly anyone who thinks that he is a product of the right is not of a sound mind and has drunk the same kool aid as the shooter.

Your simple life must be wonderfully colorful not having to deal with any grey.

There is no doubt he is the product of conservatism.  It's what made him such so good with a rifle.

What you want to paint as liberal is the acceptance of trans people.  Somehow, the shooter ended up in what was obviously a meaningful relationship with someone whose sexual identity was more complicated than yours.  Knowing where he came from, I can only imagine there was a LOT of confusion.  Conservative parents... trans boyfriend... yikes.

Enter Charlie Kirk, who attacks and degrades the person you're now in love with.  "Trans is a mental delusion".   There are "too many transgender Americans".  "You're an abomination to God".  

This isn't debate, it's pontificating.   Charlie made a lot of statements that are just undeniably wrong, and attacked a lot of people in the name of "debate".

Sure, the left accepts that people who want to change sexual identity are still entitled to a bit of respect, but that doesn't mean our shooter turned "radical".  He's like tens of millions of American young men... confused, frustrated, angry.  

But the right, starting with Trump, looks for leverage, not solutions or reconciliation.  Attack, attack, attack!

The left doesn't do that.  When Melissa Hortman and her husband were murdered, democratic leaders didn't repeatedly blame the radical right....they blamed the shooter and the broader acceptance of political violence.   

The fact you can't see the difference is the root cause of limitless problems these days.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 6:15am

 steeler wrote:
The race to paint Tyler Robinson as left or right underscores the crux of the problem.
 
To me, I see the left trying as hard as possible to get as far away as possible from the shooter and as fast as possible.

The shooter embodies all the policies of the progressive left in one neat and tidy package.  He is the direct result of all of the policies and rhetoric of modern progressivism.

The examples of the desperation of the distancing are very telling.  You only have to look around at the memes being posted by the usual suspects.

Clearly anyone who thinks that he is a product of the right is not of a sound mind and has drunk the same kool aid as the shooter.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2025 - 5:07am

 kurtster wrote:

Call me a liar.  That's what you do.

Nor do I do news feeds.  Worse (or better), I still have a land line and a working fax machine that is used regularly.

And horror of horrors, I still use maps to navigate in new places. And do simple arithmetic on paper with pen.  You know, addition and subtraction, even multiplication and division !!!!  I can even do factoring and the quadratic equation on paper if pressed.

And I sometimes forget my phone when I go places and live to tell about it.

Yes hard to believe that there is someone who does not do what everyone else does.  Or dependent on devices and being plugged in 24 / 7.

Ok, here's your cookie 🍪 

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 11:17pm

 steeler wrote:

The race to paint Tyler Robinson as left or right underscores the crux of the problem.



Yep
kcar

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 8:38pm

 kurtster wrote:

Call me a liar.  That's what you do.

Nor do I do news feeds.  Worse (or better), I still have a land line and a working fax machine that is used regularly.

And horror of horrors, I still use maps to navigate in new places. And do simple arithmetic on paper with pen.  You know, addition and subtraction, even multiplication and division !!!!  I can even do factoring and the quadratic equation on paper if pressed.

And I sometimes forget my phone when I go places and live to tell about it.

Yes hard to believe that there is someone who does not do what everyone else does.  Or dependent on devices and being plugged in 24 / 7.


I'm not an impartial bystander but the best advice I can give you is not to engage in a pissing match with Islander. The two of you are just going to snipe at each other over everything. 

It's up to you whether you want to use a smartphone or not. On the plus side, you're keeping your brain active by doing things manually. OTOH a smartphone with a good app can do multiple steps for you at once while you're out in public. 
kurtster

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 7:42pm

 islander wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Yeah.   Like I said it was passed on to me.

I don't do social media other than here and discogs and neither one is something that I would think of in the manner of social media.

Life is tough enough without having to wade through the crap on FB and whatever else.  That is what music is for to keep me away from that kind of thing.

 
Call me a liar.  That's what you do.

Nor do I do news feeds.  Worse (or better), I still have a land line and a working fax machine that is used regularly.

And horror of horrors, I still use maps to navigate in new places. And do simple arithmetic on paper with pen.  You know, addition and subtraction, even multiplication and division !!!!  I can even do factoring and the quadratic equation on paper if pressed.

And I sometimes forget my phone when I go places and live to tell about it.

Yes hard to believe that there is someone who does not do what everyone else does.  Or dependent on devices and being plugged in 24 / 7.
steeler

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 6:47pm

The race to paint Tyler Robinson as left or right underscores the crux of the problem.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 2:29pm


islander

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 1:50pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah.   Like I said it was passed on to me.

I don't do social media other than here and discogs and neither one is something that I would think of in the manner of social media.

Life is tough enough without having to wade through the crap on FB and whatever else.  That is what music is for to keep me away from that kind of thing.




islander

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 1:48pm

 kurtster wrote:

Wow, only 8 minutes after posting !

So it was your turn to watch me.  You musta got the short stick !


Yes, it's lousy duty, but we get double pay for it. And Rgio is going to take my weekend shift so I can take the dogs to the beach again.
kurtster

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 1:47pm

 Proclivities wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, I took it with a grain of salt and sat on it. With all of the other unattributed stuff being put up I figured why should I be different.  As you noted, I did put up a disclaimer as well, not intending it to be taken as factual but worth being aware of as to what other people are thinking.
Unfortunately there's never a shortage of things like that on social media, especially after big news events - can't have anything nice.
 
Yeah.   Like I said it was passed on to me.

I don't do social media other than here and discogs and neither one is something that I would think of in the manner of social media.

Life is tough enough without having to wade through the crap on FB and whatever else.  That is what music is for to keep me away from that kind of thing.
R_P

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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 1:41pm

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah, I took it with a grain of salt and sat on it.

With all of the other unattributed stuff being put up I figured why should I be different.  As you noted, I did put up a disclaimer as well, not intending it to be taken as factual but worth being aware of as to what other people are thinking.

Your preamble: "The shooter's family may have had a right wing background but at the time of the shooting he was 100% left wing and a left wing nut as well."

Behold the power of social media. MAGA viral feces looking for a wall to stick to.

A good night's sleep and you're back to normal.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2025 - 1:40pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, I took it with a grain of salt and sat on it.

With all of the other unattributed stuff being put up I figured why should I be different.  As you noted, I did put up a disclaimer as well, not intending it to be taken as factual but worth being aware of as to what other people are thinking.
Unfortunately there's never a shortage of things like that on social media, especially after big news events - can't have anything nice.


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