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steeler
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Nov 6, 2009 - 1:02pm |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: They may have the right to say the things they say but they could say "clouds are fluffy" and still piss me off if the intent is to offend. It's like the idiots who burn flags. I don't care about them burning flags—yawn— but the intent is to offend. That is what makes it offensive. I'm all for flag-burning as a means of making a statement, but once it migrates into the land of "this'll get their goat!" then lock 'em up. Okay that's subjective too but hey.
Folk can be offended, no question. The First Amendment does not prohibit that; it just prohibits state censorship based upon the publication causing, or being perceived as causing, offense.
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ScottFromWyoming
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:56pm |
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steeler wrote:
My point is that what is considered to be offensive often is subjective, which is why our freedom of speech protection under the First Amendment is construed so broadly.
They may have the right to say the things they say but they could say "clouds are fluffy" and still piss me off if the intent is to offend. It's like the idiots who burn flags. I don't care about them burning flags—yawn— but the intent is to offend. That is what makes it offensive. I'm all for flag-burning as a means of making a statement, but once it migrates into the land of "this'll get their goat!" then lock 'em up. Okay that's subjective too but hey.
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Proclivities
Location: Paris of the Piedmont Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:53pm |
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musik_knut wrote:A commercial printer will print almost anything for a fee.
Yes, that is often true.
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MrsHobieJoe
Location: somewhere in Europe Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:50pm |
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meower wrote:Alright, alright, who brought up hitler??
I'm just watching the Daily Show (it's on one of our digital stations)- so Jon Stewart.
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meower
Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:48pm |
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Alright, alright, who brought up hitler??
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bokey
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:46pm |
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musik_knut wrote:Who among you objected to those side by side photos of Hitler and Bush? Free speech can be offensive to our senses but it cannot be stifled. Those who would protest unfavorable depictions of Mr. Obama and remained silent when the same was done to Mr. Bush or any with whom they disagree, practice hypocrisy at its highest and most transparent level. And who made a greater vulgar use of a holocaust comparison than did Sen. Durbin, D-IL, who compared US Guards at Gitmo to guards at Auschwitz and Buchenwald? Both sides have zanies among them and both have those who express raw hatreds, too.
I'm pretty sure Obama's family didn't make quite as much profit from Hitler as the Bush family did. Without the money his grandfather made from war profiteering with the enemy neither Bush would have been elected. So at least there is a genuine connection with Bush. With Obama, not so much. If any of the slaggers had working brains they'd be comparing Obama to Stalin, HItlers worst enemy and a slur that at least makes a tiny, eensy weensy bit of sense, at least ideologically speaking. Although I voted for Obama, I'm 99% certain if I would have voted for McCain or stayed home it wouldn't have made any difference. I voted for Obama more from the terrifying thought of Sarah Palin being one old guys heart attack away from being President than my preference for the GIant Douche over the Turd Sandwich.
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musik_knut
Location: Third Stone From The Sun Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:06pm |
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steeler wrote:
My point is that what is considered to be offensive often is subjective, which is why our freedom of speech protection under the First Amendment is construed so broadly.
I would agree.
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Nov 6, 2009 - 12:01pm |
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musik_knut wrote:
Too many Muslims are offended at the mere mention of Mohammed if uttered by a non-believer. And too many entities are engaged in self-restraint or the wholesale avoidance of their free speech for fear they offend hypersensitive Muslims. It seems anything in print is called out by some Muslims.
My point is that what is considered to be offensive often is subjective, which is why our freedom of speech protection under the First Amendment is construed so broadly.
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musik_knut
Location: Third Stone From The Sun Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 11:56am |
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steeler wrote:
Think about the Danish newspaper publishing those cartoons that members of the Islamic community found offensive.
Too many Muslims are offended at the mere mention of Mohammed if uttered by a non-believer. And too many entities are engaged in self-restraint or the wholesale avoidance of their free speech for fear they offend hypersensitive Muslims. It seems anything in print is called out by some Muslims.
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Nov 6, 2009 - 11:53am |
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islander wrote: So if you were offended by the Bush/Hitler images, then you should also be offended by the Obama/Hitler images right? Else you would also be practicing hypocrisy.
I am actually offended by both, but also think that they are well covered by free speech. Blatant hyperbole and offensiveness are the shock tools to get people to acknowledge your message when the content can't stand on its own. No one ever promised that you (the larger you/we/all of us) wouldn't be offended.
Think about the Danish newspaper publishing those cartoons that members of the Islamic community found offensive.
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musik_knut
Location: Third Stone From The Sun Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 11:50am |
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Proclivities wrote: I agree with your points. I took issue with Durbin's assertions back then as well, and there certainly are "zanies" on both sides. I am all for free speech, and it is the right of those (or any) protestors to voice or depict their dissatisfaction. What I find offensive is that some "commercial" or "professional" entity would produce such an offensive graphic: that wasn't just some hand-made sign produced by a disgruntled individual.
A commercial printer will print almost anything for a fee. Many a sign that attacked Mr. Bush in the most vile, vulgar and pernicious manner, looked to be professionally done.
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musik_knut
Location: Third Stone From The Sun Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 11:49am |
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islander wrote: So if you were offended by the Bush/Hitler images, then you should also be offended by the Obama/Hitler images right? Else you would also be practicing hypocrisy.
I am actually offended by both, but also think that they are well covered by free speech. Blatant hyperbole and offensiveness are the shock tools to get people to acknowledge your message when the content can't stand on its own. No one ever promised that you (the larger you/we/all of us) wouldn't be offended.
Indeed. Offended when anyone is compared to Hitler, more so, a US President as the comparison.
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islander
Location: West coast somewhere Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 7:19am |
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musik_knut wrote:Who among you objected to those side by side photos of Hitler and Bush? Free speech can be offensive to our senses but it cannot be stifled. Those who would protest unfavorable depictions of Mr. Obama and remained silent when the same was done to Mr. Bush or any with whom they disagree, practice hypocrisy at its highest and most transparent level. And who made a greater vulgar use of a holocaust comparison than did Sen. Durbin, D-IL, who compared US Guards at Gitmo to guards at Auschwitz and Buchenwald? Both sides have zanies among them and both have those who express raw hatreds, too.
So if you were offended by the Bush/Hitler images, then you should also be offended by the Obama/Hitler images right? Else you would also be practicing hypocrisy. I am actually offended by both, but also think that they are well covered by free speech. Blatant hyperbole and offensiveness are the shock tools to get people to acknowledge your message when the content can't stand on its own. No one ever promised that you (the larger you/we/all of us) wouldn't be offended.
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 7:15am |
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EleventhMan wrote:and the potatoes...don't forget them! what about 'em?
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EleventhMan
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Nov 6, 2009 - 7:01am |
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oldviolin wrote:When we outlaw myopia, only the trees will have eyes...
and the potatoes...don't forget them!
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JrzyTmata
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Nov 6, 2009 - 6:45am |
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oldviolin
Location: esse quam videri Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 6:40am |
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When we outlaw myopia, only the trees will have eyes...
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 6:39am |
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musik_knut wrote:Who among you objected
I think the word you're searching for is "us."
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Proclivities
Location: Paris of the Piedmont Gender:
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Nov 6, 2009 - 5:25am |
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musik_knut wrote:Who among you objected to those side by side photos of Hitler and Bush? Free speech can be offensive to our senses but it cannot be stifled. Those who would protest unfavorable depictions of Mr. Obama and remained silent when the same was done to Mr. Bush or any with whom they disagree, practice hypocrisy at its highest and most transparent level. And who made a greater vulgar use of a holocaust comparison than did Sen. Durbin, D-IL, who compared US Guards at Gitmo to guards at Auschwitz and Buchenwald? Both sides have zanies among them and both have those who express raw hatreds, too.
I agree with your points. I took issue with Durbin's assertions back then as well, and there certainly are "zanies" on both sides. I am all for free speech, and it is the right of those (or any) protestors to voice or depict their dissatisfaction. What I find offensive is that some "commercial" or "professional" entity would produce such an offensive graphic: that wasn't just some hand-made sign produced by a disgruntled individual.
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musik_knut
Location: Third Stone From The Sun Gender:
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Nov 5, 2009 - 6:40pm |
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Who among you objected to those side by side photos of Hitler and Bush? Free speech can be offensive to our senses but it cannot be stifled. Those who would protest unfavorable depictions of Mr. Obama and remained silent when the same was done to Mr. Bush or any with whom they disagree, practice hypocrisy at its highest and most transparent level. And who made a greater vulgar use of a holocaust comparison than did Sen. Durbin, D-IL, who compared US Guards at Gitmo to guards at Auschwitz and Buchenwald? Both sides have zanies among them and both have those who express raw hatreds, too.
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