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hippiechick

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Gender: Female


Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:23am

 owld_skipper wrote:

Seriously?

I thought it a useful conversation provoked by some nasty things said about an RPeep person.

I must be thick, because I'm not sure I see gossip. i could be wrong.
 
Well, then why don't we play 

"What do you think of Owld Skipper?" 

Talking about people, esp when they are not even present, is gossip. 
samiyam

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Location: Moving North


Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:23am

 owld_skipper wrote:
:le sigh:



 
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at
dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient
heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the
machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high
sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene-
ment roofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool
eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy
among the scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy &
publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn-
ing their money in wastebaskets and listening
to the Terror through the wall,
who got busted in their pubic beards returning through
Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night
with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares, al-
cohol and cock and endless balls,
incomparable blind; streets of shuddering cloud and...

     

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:21am

 samiyam wrote:

Then people would be going behind his back.  Which would be worse?  Besides, the fact is that Beaker has a legitimate right to voice his opinions whether they hurt other's feelings or not as long as he's not profane or attacks others in inappropriate manner.  Winston Churchill once said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.  Sometimes we all have to roll with the punches.  But there's a difference between being honest and being unkindly honest. 
 
Hey, you f#$ktard!

Hey, you g@#ddamn f#$ktard!

I think I see the difference. Attacking others is okay, as long as it's not profane or inappropriate?

Maybe we should start a thread about how to communicate in a way that is effective, without being violent toward others. Move in that direction anyway.

At this point, samiyam, you can say anything/do anything, you are the Bean King! Alas, I wish my appreciation for you was unconditional, but KEEP WRITING YOUR STORY and stop wasting your precious writing skills wrangling with g@#ddamn f#$ktards!

{#Devil_pimp}


samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:20am

 maryte wrote:


    Oscar Wilde.

 
Well, maybe Oscar said it first, but I read it in a collection of conversations with Winston Churchill...  sorry for being a bit uncouth.
.


samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:19am

 owld_skipper wrote:

Seriously?

I thought it a useful conversation provoked by some nasty things said about an RPeep person.

I must be thick, because I'm not sure I see gossip. i could be wrong.
 
Maybe we should take this over to "talks behind their backs" forum...

"You know Beaker was once a juggling clown but I hear lately he's forgotten how to juggle."

Maybe then we'd get a laugh and people would calm down.

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:18am

 samiyam wrote:

Then people would be going behind his back.  Which would be worse?  Besides, the fact is that Beaker has a legitimate right to voice his opinions whether they hurt other's feelings or not as long as he's not profane or attacks others in inappropriate manner.  Winston Churchill once said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.  Sometimes we all have to roll with the punches.  But there's a difference between being honest and being unkindly honest. 
 

    Oscar Wilde.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:16am




jagdriver

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:13am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

This is correct, and Beaker has castigated me for trying to publicly analyze his posts to get to his why's and motivations. I was wrong then and it's wrong now. That being said, if someone pushes your buttons to such a degree that you're reading racism/sexism/etc into his/her posts where none exists, it's a good idea to step back and not let it produce such a response in you. I wish Beaker's style weren't so provocative but it's finely-tuned at being just that: a provocation. It's up to the target to not be provoked, sometimes.

We've crossed swords, sure. We've also shared some of our life (travel, pets, music music music) outside of this forum and I look forward to the day we can have a pint and watch some live music.


 
Offense is always taken, never given.

(With a few exceptions to this adage, it would seem.)


ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:07am

 hippiechick wrote:

I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, ))" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  

 
This is correct, and Beaker has castigated me for trying to publicly analyze his posts to get to his why's and motivations. I was wrong then and it's wrong now. That being said, if someone pushes your buttons to such a degree that you're reading racism/sexism/etc into his/her posts where none exists, it's a good idea to step back and not let it produce such a response in you. I wish Beaker's style weren't so provocative but it's finely-tuned at being just that: a provocation. It's up to the target to not be provoked, sometimes.

We've crossed swords, sure. We've also shared some of our life (travel, pets, music music music) outside of this forum and I look forward to the day we can have a pint and watch some live music.

hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:01am

 meower wrote:


ha!
 
I was being sarcastic, don't ya know
meower

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:00am

 hippiechick wrote:

This is gossip. If you like participating in gossip, then fine. 

Why don't we start a new thread: "What do you think of ________ (fill in the blank) 

I'll be gone for 2 weeks starting tomorrow, so you can talk about me then. 

 

ha!

hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:59am

 samiyam wrote:

Then people would be going behind his back.  Which would be worse?  Besides, the fact is that Beaker has a legitimate right to voice his opinions whether they hurt other's feelings or not as long as he's not profane or attacks others in inappropriate manner.  Winston Churchill once said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.  Sometimes we all have to roll with the punches.  But there's a difference between being honest and being unkindly honest. 
 
This is gossip. If you like participating in gossip, then fine. 

Why don't we start a new thread: "What do you think of ________ (fill in the blank) 

I'll be gone for 2 weeks starting tomorrow, so you can talk about me then. 
meower

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:58am

 hippiechick wrote:

I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, )" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  

 

i totally agree.  Let's please not start a "what do you think of...." thread...
samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:57am

 hippiechick wrote:

I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, )" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  

 
Then people would be going behind his back.  Which would be worse?  Besides, the fact is that Beaker has a legitimate right to voice his opinions whether they hurt other's feelings or not as long as he's not profane or attacks others in inappropriate manner.  Winston Churchill once said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.  Sometimes we all have to roll with the punches.  But there's a difference between being honest and being unkindly honest. 

hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:51am

 samiyam wrote:

As a good man and fellow countryman... he could do no less.   

Beaker has his moments...  There's humanity there that I like.
 
I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, ))" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  


samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:43am

 owld_skipper wrote:

Beaker likes kittehs, that's a good sign.

I'm not a big Beaker fan, but he's not what some people say he is. Just accept that if he has no sympathy for one's political positions then one will not have meaningful dialogue with him.

On the other hand, when Biker-Boi was on his cross Canada voyage with his buddies in an overloaded pickup truck towing an overloaded trailer, Beaker was ready to get out in the minus 30 degree celsius Alberta winter to lend the lads a hand in getting replacements for the wonky tires on the trailer. The bois worked it out on their own, but the sincere offer said something nice about Beaker to me.

That was a more meaningful dialogue than the crossing of swords that he and I used to engage in in some of the threads.


 
As a good man and fellow countryman... he could do no less.   

Beaker has his moments...  There's humanity there that I like.

samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:41am

 JrzyTmata wrote:

this is uncalled for.

Someone asked a serious question. do you think you can answer seriously?
 
OK... let's amp it down a bit.  He was just being kind in a very overly educated way.

Perhaps a more direct answer without the sarcastic quip could be achieved, though.

May I make an answer as long as my oar is in the water?  I am notorious so I'm commenting with the understanding that I am the last person to judge any one's behavior, but I don't remember Beeker ever being racist or anything like that, but there have been times when he's posted things (I cannot remember specifically) and I've kinda gasped and said to myself, "I don't want to speak to him right now."  That being said, I like Beaker's being here because he stirs the hidden stuff up from the bottom where it was festering.


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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:32am

 romeotuma wrote:


Stinker is a very smart dude...  his only really bad thing was that he used to beat up women, but he doesn't do that anymore...  he can be blunt and caustic and alienate himself from people, but he is not motivated to win popularity contests like I am... and also I am politically sane...  Stinker is downright diabolical in his political insanity...

but I have to say, I like him, as long as he is not beating up women...  he keeps things lively here, and I sometimes secretly giggle at his witty comments...


 
this is uncalled for.
someone asked a serious question. do you think you can answer seriously?

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:04am

 pjcle wrote:

Question:

Is Beaker really all the horrible things people say?

I can't find anywhere he said anything racist or hurtful, but I am not a consistent forum reader.  His avatar/sig doesn't really lend itself to anything bad, he keeps saying he's not a racists or sexist.  I'm not sure if people don't like him, if so why, or if he is something I can't see.  The people who don't like him seem to be pretty smart and witty, and I'm inclined to think they are right, but I can't find anything.



 
i'm with lazy8 and winter, etc.

i'm a big beaker fan. maybe one of few. but they all said it right. make up your own mind. and no, he's no racist nor is a sexist.

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:00am

 islander wrote:

Does that mean I should stop stalking all of those people you friended on facebook? 

BTW, I consider myself smart, witty and an excellent judge of character. But I may be wrong on any and all points.
 
So you're the guy that keeps getting in all my surveillance pictures!
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