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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 10:00am

 hippiechick wrote:

This is gossip. If you like participating in gossip, then fine. 

Why don't we start a new thread: "What do you think of ________ (fill in the blank) 

I'll be gone for 2 weeks starting tomorrow, so you can talk about me then. 

 

ha!

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:59am

 samiyam wrote:

Then people would be going behind his back.  Which would be worse?  Besides, the fact is that Beaker has a legitimate right to voice his opinions whether they hurt other's feelings or not as long as he's not profane or attacks others in inappropriate manner.  Winston Churchill once said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.  Sometimes we all have to roll with the punches.  But there's a difference between being honest and being unkindly honest. 
 
This is gossip. If you like participating in gossip, then fine. 

Why don't we start a new thread: "What do you think of ________ (fill in the blank) 

I'll be gone for 2 weeks starting tomorrow, so you can talk about me then. 
meower

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:58am

 hippiechick wrote:

I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, )" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  

 

i totally agree.  Let's please not start a "what do you think of...." thread...
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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:57am

 hippiechick wrote:

I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, )" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  

 
Then people would be going behind his back.  Which would be worse?  Besides, the fact is that Beaker has a legitimate right to voice his opinions whether they hurt other's feelings or not as long as he's not profane or attacks others in inappropriate manner.  Winston Churchill once said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.  Sometimes we all have to roll with the punches.  But there's a difference between being honest and being unkindly honest. 

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:51am

 samiyam wrote:

As a good man and fellow countryman... he could do no less.   

Beaker has his moments...  There's humanity there that I like.
 
I think that this is an improper conversation. Put yourself in the other place, what if the conversation was "What do you think about (jerzy, Samiyam, meower, ))" 

We are not discussing a public figure, we are talking about a fellow RPeep and whether or not you like him or not, this should be a discussion in private, not in a public forum.  


samiyam

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:43am

 owld_skipper wrote:

Beaker likes kittehs, that's a good sign.

I'm not a big Beaker fan, but he's not what some people say he is. Just accept that if he has no sympathy for one's political positions then one will not have meaningful dialogue with him.

On the other hand, when Biker-Boi was on his cross Canada voyage with his buddies in an overloaded pickup truck towing an overloaded trailer, Beaker was ready to get out in the minus 30 degree celsius Alberta winter to lend the lads a hand in getting replacements for the wonky tires on the trailer. The bois worked it out on their own, but the sincere offer said something nice about Beaker to me.

That was a more meaningful dialogue than the crossing of swords that he and I used to engage in in some of the threads.


 
As a good man and fellow countryman... he could do no less.   

Beaker has his moments...  There's humanity there that I like.

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:41am

 JrzyTmata wrote:

this is uncalled for.

Someone asked a serious question. do you think you can answer seriously?
 
OK... let's amp it down a bit.  He was just being kind in a very overly educated way.

Perhaps a more direct answer without the sarcastic quip could be achieved, though.

May I make an answer as long as my oar is in the water?  I am notorious so I'm commenting with the understanding that I am the last person to judge any one's behavior, but I don't remember Beeker ever being racist or anything like that, but there have been times when he's posted things (I cannot remember specifically) and I've kinda gasped and said to myself, "I don't want to speak to him right now."  That being said, I like Beaker's being here because he stirs the hidden stuff up from the bottom where it was festering.


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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:32am

 romeotuma wrote:


Stinker is a very smart dude...  his only really bad thing was that he used to beat up women, but he doesn't do that anymore...  he can be blunt and caustic and alienate himself from people, but he is not motivated to win popularity contests like I am... and also I am politically sane...  Stinker is downright diabolical in his political insanity...

but I have to say, I like him, as long as he is not beating up women...  he keeps things lively here, and I sometimes secretly giggle at his witty comments...


 
this is uncalled for.
someone asked a serious question. do you think you can answer seriously?

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:04am

 pjcle wrote:

Question:

Is Beaker really all the horrible things people say?

I can't find anywhere he said anything racist or hurtful, but I am not a consistent forum reader.  His avatar/sig doesn't really lend itself to anything bad, he keeps saying he's not a racists or sexist.  I'm not sure if people don't like him, if so why, or if he is something I can't see.  The people who don't like him seem to be pretty smart and witty, and I'm inclined to think they are right, but I can't find anything.



 
i'm with lazy8 and winter, etc.

i'm a big beaker fan. maybe one of few. but they all said it right. make up your own mind. and no, he's no racist nor is a sexist.

winter

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 9:00am

 islander wrote:

Does that mean I should stop stalking all of those people you friended on facebook? 

BTW, I consider myself smart, witty and an excellent judge of character. But I may be wrong on any and all points.
 
So you're the guy that keeps getting in all my surveillance pictures!
islander

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 8:58am

 winter wrote:

I don't agree with his politics, but that's neither here nor there. A racist? A misogynist? Hates the poor, the sick, or the handicapped? I've never seen anything that even suggested any of that from him. 

In any case, I'd make up my own mind. Being "smart and witty" doesn't necessarily make you a good judge of character, and I'm not sure it's good policy to decide whether you like someone or not based on whether others do. :) 

 
Does that mean I should stop stalking all of those people you friended on facebook? 

BTW, I consider myself smart, witty and an excellent judge of character. But I may be wrong on any and all points.

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 8:23am

 pjcle wrote:

Question:

Is Beaker really all the horrible things people say?

I can't find anywhere he said anything racist or hurtful, but I am not a consistent forum reader.  His avatar/sig doesn't really lend itself to anything bad, he keeps saying he's not a racists or sexist.  I'm not sure if people don't like him, if so why, or if he is something I can't see.  The people who don't like him seem to be pretty smart and witty, and I'm inclined to think they are right, but I can't find anything.



 
I don't agree with his politics, but that's neither here nor there. A racist? A misogynist? Hates the poor, the sick, or the handicapped? I've never seen anything that even suggested any of that from him. 

In any case, I'd make up my own mind. Being "smart and witty" doesn't necessarily make you a good judge of character, and I'm not sure it's good policy to decide whether you like someone or not based on whether others do. :) 
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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:53am

 smokinsean wrote:


 
Thanks, I needed that!

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:17am

 islander wrote:

Well said.

I would add that while his politics probably matter more than it should, his style and its consequences have more to do with the lack of defenders. As with most posters, I disagree with some of his stances, but agree with many as well. But I find his bombastic presentation and his willingness to cling ruthlessly to inate minutia boring. I am also bothered by the way he attacks those who question him on a personal and subtly threatening  manner. His previous habit of deleting posts always bugged me too, he had an explanation for it but it always seemed awkward.

It's too bad, because I do think he can bring value to the discussion. Unfortunately, he has alienated even those who wish to here his opposing view.  I think RP could use a healthy dose of opposing views (and I think that does exist to some extent). I wish everyone (myself included) didn't react by viewing peoples posts through the filter of what party they are believed to originate from. Politics is not a lost cause here or anywhere else. I actually think the fights can help if they are within reason. It shows people have passion, and makes me want to understand why. But as with all things, there are limits that need to be observed. What RP and the rest of the world could use is a bit of compassion, and a willingness to possibly be wrong. Or barring that an acceptance that two divergent views may both be correct.

That's my 2¢, canI have some change? 

 

The nature of modern political style problem solving seems to cause people to lose sight of the objectivity required to make real and
lasting progress because of the staunch and often media/ether driven adherence to ideology and attempts to prop up public perception to the detriment of real change based on common sense...IMO

After all, what party is responsible for electing President Obama? None...the Independents are responsible...and how has this segment of the electorate been addressed in this first year of his administration? Not significantly, as addresses the general distrust with Washington DC style politics that has been building for 40 plus years . Again, IMO.


islander

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 7:04am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 pjcle wrote:

Question:

Is Beaker really all the horrible things people say?

I can't find anywhere he said anything racist or hurtful, but I am not a consistent forum reader.  His avatar/sig doesn't really lend itself to anything bad, he keeps saying he's not a racists or sexist.  I'm not sure if people don't like him, if so why, or if he is something I can't see.


I've never been able to see into anyone's heart from a forum post (or even from years of forum posts) but I've never seen a racist/sexist word come out of his keyboard. I've crossed swords with him numerous times but his angry rhetoric tends to blow over quickly enough.

"People" aren't saying this. There are a couple of folks here who go all non-linear at the mention of his name and have made rash accusations before, and probably will again. I can't say he responds all that rationally either, but calling him those particular names reminds me of campus politics in the '80s. Witch hunting. He denies he's a racist? That's proof right there!

People aren't lining up to defend him because his politics aren't popular here, and that matters more than it should. But it's also because he has alienated people who otherwise might.

Make up your own mind. And please feel free to speak it.
 
Well said.

I would add that while his politics probably matter more than it should, his style and its consequences have more to do with the lack of defenders. As with most posters, I disagree with some of his stances, but agree with many as well. But I find his bombastic presentation and his willingness to cling ruthlessly to inate minutia boring. I am also bothered by the way he attacks those who question him on a personal and subtly threatening  manner. His previous habit of deleting posts always bugged me too, he had an explanation for it but it always seemed awkward.

It's too bad, because I do think he can bring value to the discussion. Unfortunately, he has alienated even those who wish to here his opposing view.  I think RP could use a healthy dose of opposing views (and I think that does exist to some extent). I wish everyone (myself included) didn't react by viewing peoples posts through the filter of what party they are believed to originate from. Politics is not a lost cause here or anywhere else. I actually think the fights can help if they are within reason. It shows people have passion, and makes me want to understand why. But as with all things, there are limits that need to be observed. What RP and the rest of the world could use is a bit of compassion, and a willingness to possibly be wrong. Or barring that an acceptance that two divergent views may both be correct.

That's my 2¢, canI have some change? 
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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 5:17am

 pjcle wrote:


You are right, he was the "Chief" sponsor according to what I read on the internet.  Yes, as I was very young, I had to look it up online.  I didn't mean to imply that it was ONLY because of him.  Anyway, I've heard of bill sponsors and co-sponsors but never "chief" sponsors, so .... if I'm quoting from a bs site, and you want to do the "gotacha" that seems so prevalent these days, I won't protest.

 
Not into the "gotcha" stuff. (there may be a couple of exceptions, but I am in recovery now {#Wink}).  Just correcting what I recall from living vs. history books.  I truly am interested on how history is being written about things I have lived through.  I want to see how events are remembered from the many different points of view other than my own. 

Keep posting, we need a deep gene pool here.  {#Lol}

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:41am

 arsenault wrote:

NO

he is a decent bloke, and he was gone for a while, but now he is back.

it is called hyperbole...

I too am a relative newbie, but i like him.

I AM SPARTACUS!!

he has had dust ups here, but it is always entertaining.
 

I've been coming to RP for about gosh, 4 years or something.  I just am sporadic.  I listen more than I post.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:36am

 pjcle wrote:

Question:

Is Beaker really all the horrible things people say?

I can't find anywhere he said anything racist or hurtful, but I am not a consistent forum reader.  His avatar/sig doesn't really lend itself to anything bad, he keeps saying he's not a racists or sexist.  I'm not sure if people don't like him, if so why, or if he is something I can't see.  The people who don't like him seem to be pretty smart and witty, and I'm inclined to think they are right, but I can't find anything.


 
NO

he is a decent bloke, and he was gone for a while, but now he is back.

it is called hyperbole...

I too am a relative newbie, but i like him.

I AM SPARTACUS!!

he has had dust ups here, but it is always entertaining.

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Posted: Aug 27, 2009 - 12:30am

Thank you {#Wave}

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