Elected D's are abadoning their posts like rats bailing from a sinking ship.

First they have left Wisconsin and now they have left Indiana.  WTF ?

I hear they will be bailing from Ohio next.

The whole place is upside down.  Now Democrats don't want to vote ?

This is really the best exhibition of sore loosers ever witnessed in American politics.

And they will probably want to get paid while partying hiding in other states rather than showing up and doing their elected job.

The Teachers on strike in Wisconsin have even gotten sympathetic doctors to write them phony excuses to say they were sick while protesting.

And Obama has given his blessings to this behaviuor.

This is freaking insane.  And these are adults ?

 lester wrote: 
The latter...

 hippiechick wrote:

I'm confused.  Was kurtster continuing a discussion of war appropriations from the previous U.S. administration? or was he raising issue with Section 2006 of this bill?

 kurtster wrote: 
Excellent! 

Voting is beginning now, 5 minutes early.

8.09 est, passed 60 to 39

McConnell just said, "this bill is a monument to bureaucracy and spending"

WTF , he sure as hell ain't lying about that.

Live on C-Span 2

 hippiechick wrote: 
So your OK with bribes then ?  Chicago, Chicago ...

 MsJudi wrote: 
 
Down-payment on a nice beachside pad for after the rapture?

 hippiechick wrote: 

Yes, I will criticize. As I did Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Bush before, Mr. Reagan, Mr. Carter...and those before. Yes, I will. I refuse to see this administration with blinders. I have not afforded any other administration, Congress, Party, invidual, a free pass when they did something that warrants comment and criticisms when appropriate. Especially if it involves The People.

When you have to throw something together...        As in TARP, the stimulus, and now, a massive overhaul of our health care system with the Government, from which it is ridiculous to expect perfection (or competence, efficiency, predictions...), offering proposals no one can truly follow. If the past serves as a guide to the future, expect any bill of the sort resting in The House and under initial review by The Senate, to morph beyond its original scope and intent and to explode a new hole in a bleeding-to-death spending spiral.

Ok, we must believe VP Biden only because he said it was, for the most part, done correctly. And how does that excuse what should be a Congressional Investigation into the creation of new Congressional Districts, some of which are listed as having jobs saved/created? You don't make that degree of error without a purpose.
This has the distinct stench of typical Chicago-style politics. You know, where the dead arise on Election Day to vote blue.

 musik_knut wrote: 
VP Biden explained that there was no question that the $$$ was distributed correctly, or that it wasn't account for, just that it wasn't filed correctly. Only 70 of over 30,000 were filed incorrectly, and they are being looked at for errors. After all, when you have to throw something together, it takes some time to work out the bugs. I have worked for companies that have launched software programs which take months to get straightened out. It's ridiculous to expect perfection, esp from the government, but go ahead and criticize anyway. I am sure McCain would have done a much better job, eh?

 MsJudi wrote: 

No more than believing Rhode Island has a 99th Congressional District, as discerned for the first time ever, or that other States have hitherto unknown Congressional Districts, when jobs saved or created were tallied and touted had such errors owing to "an inexact science".
You have to be purposefully inexact to create whole Congressional Districts.

 hippiechick wrote: 
That vanished into thin air (literally- they claim the money disappeared... raise your hand if you believe that).

 kurtster wrote: 
Either one of you familiar with the pallets of $100 bills that were given away in Iraq, authorized by the Bush Admin?

 Zep wrote: 

It's also the easist way.

 kurtster wrote: 
That's the best kind to give away. 
 

 kurtster wrote: 

Do I smell cooked books? Or that with a helping of business-as-usual for aging?

How about that $100 (possibly $300) million dollar bribe to the Senator from Louisiana, just for a single vote.

Just giving away the money, hell it ain't their's.

That and they keep the Medicare Doctor fix seperate to keep the numbers lower.  They think we're real stupid.

 BasmntMadman wrote: 

Mr. Jones declared himself to be a Communist. No one's words or thoughts, smear or slander. Simply Mr. Jones confession on the matter.

 arighter2 wrote: 
I agree completely that it's not too much to ask why this happened.  Along with a lot of other hard questions about the whole disaster. 

But, turf wars, personal rivalries, arrogance, butthole obstinacy, self-delusion, bad organization, and good old incompetence - you know, the usual - should be thoroughly considered before entertaining the concept of malicious conspiratorial motives. 

 arsenault wrote: 
And...?  The rest of the story?  Plenty of people have moved to the center, or even the right, after their student activist days.  David Horowitz is one of the more famous examples.

What's the guy now?   Looks like he embraces eco-capitalism. 

Here's another of his declarations, from his book, The Green Collar Economy :

"So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs - and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world -and everyone else."

We need enterpreneurs - to survive, even
Needed technologies will come from the private sector
The populace and its leaders should help certain business leaders succeed  
We need an alliance between the business world and everyone else

If you didn't know the author, you'd think this came from a Chamber of Commerce.   And that's probably why the Obama administration hired him.