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Posted: Sep 5, 2009 - 10:23am

 arsenault wrote:
 BasmntMadman wrote:

I don't see anything that makes this guy a Communist.


How about his own declaration to that effect?
“I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of… I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary…I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th..By August, I was a communist.”
 
And...?  The rest of the story?  Plenty of people have moved to the center, or even the right, after their student activist days.  David Horowitz is one of the more famous examples.

What's the guy now?   Looks like he embraces eco-capitalism

Here's another of his declarations, from his book, The Green Collar Economy :

"So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs - and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world -and everyone else."

We need enterpreneurs - to survive, even
Needed technologies will come from the private sector
The populace and its leaders should help certain business leaders succeed  
We need an alliance between the business world and everyone else

If you didn't know the author, you'd think this came from a Chamber of Commerce.   And that's probably why the Obama administration hired him.




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Posted: Sep 5, 2009 - 5:04am

 Beaker wrote: 
Well, hey, another "Freedom Hater", huh?

Amerika, land of the free
Free to the power of the people in uniform
~KMK

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Posted: Sep 5, 2009 - 4:56am

 BasmntMadman wrote:

I don't see anything that makes this guy a Communist.  His worst sin was signing on to a document that raises the far fetched suspicion that the US government looked the other way as 9/11 happened.  Even then, it calls for an investigation rather than making a condemnation.  If everyone who subscribes to a paranoid CT is a Communist, then we're a Marxist state right now.  I'm not aware of it.

Calling Republicans assholes doesn't make anyone a Communist, nor does comparing Bush to a drug addict.  As if even worse terms haven't been used on Democrats!  It's just a symptom of the nasty political climate that exists now.

Obama has retained the Secretary of Defense from the Bush administration.  He has reappointed Ben Bernanke, a Republican, to the chairmanship of the Federal Reserve.  My God, that must make Obama a closet...Republican!!!

  I don't consider myself a truther or a wild conspiracy theorist, but really, is it too much to ask why, fifty minutes after the WTC was hit, Washington D.C. was left completely unprotected? I understand DOD was running war games that day, but damn, our fighters have a range of about 1500 miles an hour.


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:56pm

 BasmntMadman wrote:

I don't see anything that makes this guy a Communist.


How about his own declaration to that effect?
“I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of… I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary…I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th..By August, I was a communist.”

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:38pm

kurtster wrote:

Oh, the Horror ! A communist Czar !

How much longer is Team O going to keep their #1 Commie, Van Jones, around ?

It is fair to judge people by who they surround themselves with isn't it ?

Ayers, Wright, a second Cabinet of Handpicked Czars that would never pass FBI or Senate investigations.

What a guy ! Does anybody know the going pay rate for being a Czar ?

We now have over 30 of them.

They answer to no one but Fearless Leader.

Why do we need a Cabinet anymore, anyway ?


White House lukewarm on Van Jones after his "9/11 Truth" petition signature surfaces — but Newsom "stands by him

 

The Bay Area's Van Jones — the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality — just finished apologizing for calling Republicans "a-holes" when he got something else to start explaining: How his signature got on a 2004 petition asking for an immediate "inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur." Van said he didn't carefully review the petition before signing it "certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."

Bad sign: When asked if Jones still enjoys the confidence of the President Friday, White House flak Robert Gibbs said "he continues to work in this administration."





I don't see anything that makes this guy a Communist.  His worst sin was signing on to a document that raises the far fetched suspicion that the US government looked the other way as 9/11 happened.  Even then, it calls for an investigation rather than making a condemnation.  If everyone who subscribes to a paranoid CT is a Communist, then we're a Marxist state right now.  I'm not aware of it.

Calling Republicans assholes doesn't make anyone a Communist, nor does comparing Bush to a drug addict.  As if even worse terms haven't been used on Democrats!  It's just a symptom of the nasty political climate that exists now.

Obama has retained the Secretary of Defense from the Bush administration.  He has reappointed Ben Bernanke, a Republican, to the chairmanship of the Federal Reserve.  My God, that must make Obama a closet...Republican!!!


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:11pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
Eeeewh! Great gobs of green grit!

 
They're kinda spongy actually.

Just drank the last round of grapefruit juice and olive oil,

got to get flat for the night.

{#Wave}

samiyam

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:49pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

...b b b but didn't the Communists kill the Czars or Tsars ?

Is this the same thing as when we broke up AT&T ?

AT&T came back ...   {#Ask}



Reagan instituted the Czar posts. But he was a brain dead mutha, so we can't really hold him accountable cuz he never spoke or did anything that the little voice in the earbud didn't direct him to say and do.
So, yah... you can't be a Commie and a Czar at the same time. So lay off whazzizname, alright already?

 
Dubya has one of those too!  His has a voice which continually sez,  "Breathe In... Breathe Out... Breathe In... Breathe Out..."

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:45pm

 kurtster wrote:

Must be the gall bladder flush ...
It makes me do things ...

  Eeeewh! Great gobs of green grit!


kurtster

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:41pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

...b b b but didn't the Communists kill the Czars or Tsars ?

Is this the same thing as when we broke up AT&T ?

AT&T came back ...   {#Ask}



Reagan instituted the Czar posts. But he was a brain dead mutha, so we can't really hold him accountable cuz he never spoke or did anything that the little voice in the earbud didn't direct him to say and do.
So, yah... you can't be a Commie and a Czar at the same time. So lay off whazzizname, alright already?

 
Must be the gall bladder flush ...
It makes me do things ...


jadewahoo

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:36pm

 kurtster wrote:

...b b b but didn't the Communists kill the Czars or Tsars ?

Is this the same thing as when we broke up AT&T ?

AT&T came back ...   {#Ask}



Reagan instituted the Czar posts. But he was a brain dead mutha, so we can't really hold him accountable cuz he never spoke or did anything that the little voice in the earbud didn't direct him to say and do.
So, yah... you can't be a Commie and a Czar at the same time. So lay off whazzizname, alright already?


kurtster

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:31pm

...b b b but didn't the Communists kill the Czars or Tsars ?

Is this the same thing as when we broke up AT&T ?

AT&T came back ...   {#Ask}




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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:23pm

 kurtster wrote:

Oh, the Horror !   A communist Czar !

yada yada
 
Hey... if I signed that petition, does that make ME a Commie? Hell no! It just makes me a suspicious sunnuvabitch, thats all. And being suspicious has kept me alive a lo-o-o-ong time! I despise Communists. And Socialists. And Fascists. And Republicans. And Democrats. And Libertarians. And the rightwing nutzoids who are driving the popular culture of the country today. And the leftwing apologists who can't find the way to bring compassion into their ideolgy without seeking to foist the behavior without the sea change. And the Christians who are hate mongering provokers of dissent and discord. Oh yeah, and those Islamofundies too. And ferrunners who think they got a handle on our smoothly greased political machine.

kurtster

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 6:54pm


Oh, the Horror !   A communist Czar !

  How much longer is Team O going to keep their #1 Commie, Van Jones, around ? 

It is fair to judge people by who they surround themselves with isn't it ?

Ayers, Wright, a second Cabinet of Handpicked Czars that would never pass FBI or Senate investigations.

What a guy !  Does anybody know the going pay rate for being a Czar ?

We now have over 30 of them.

They answer to no one but Fearless Leader.

Why do we need a Cabinet anymore, anyway ?


White House lukewarm on Van Jones after his "9/11 Truth" petition signature surfaces — but Newsom "stands by him

 

The Bay Area's Van Jones — the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality — just finished apologizing for calling Republicans "a-holes" when he got something else to start explaining: How his signature got on a 2004 petition asking for an immediate "inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur." Van said he didn't carefully review the petition before signing it "certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."

Bad sign: When asked if Jones still enjoys the confidence of the President Friday, White House flak Robert Gibbs said "he continues to work in this administration."





kurtster

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 4:58pm

From our buddy, Senator Jay Rockefeller, S. 773
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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet


Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

more...
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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 4:02pm

 kurtster wrote:

OK, cool.

Watson evidently likes what she sees in the White House and is feeling comfortable about letting her true feelings out.  She was elected and that is one thing.  But when Communists are knowingly appointed to government positions, bypassing Constitutional provisions, that is another thing.

The Green Czar is supposed to be in charge of creating Green or environmently friendly jobs.  Again, our Green Czar, Van Jones, when asked what a green job is, couldn't answer the question.  There was and still is no formal definition, yet we have a Czar in charge of those jobs.  These Czars are not window dressing.  These Czars answer only to Obama.  Obama bypassed Senate comfirmation hearings and therefore investigations to appoint known Communists and radicals to powerful positions, answerable only to the President.  Obama knows who and what these people are he is appointing.  Our President is knowingly installing Communists and dangerous radicals bent on over throwing the Constitution.  Make no mistake.  They aren't there to support it. 

Another Czar to watch is the newest, Mark Lloyd, the "Diversity Czar".  He openly supports Chavez in Venezuala, and his efforts to squelch media and free speech.  Lloyd himself has called the 1st Ammendment a tool for corporations and not a valid right for Americans.  There is a provision being brought up in Congress, allowing Obama to suspend operation of the Internet and other communications should a "situation" arise.  I'll get more on that.  Just imagine if someone had tried to give Bush that power.

More to come...

 
It's scary shit, man.

kurtster

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:33pm

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No no, my namecalling was addressed to the Representative from California. I never said I liked the government we have, only that we probably deserve it. An elected official who admires a murderous scumbag like Castro? Somebody elected the dang fool! That's all I meant.

I have no idea what a Green Czar is, I doubt anyone else does either. I think all of the 'czar' positions are just window dressing for whoever's pet causes: witness how effective the 'Drug Czar' was.

Sorry if you though I was calling you names, Kurt, that was not my intent: I agree Rep. Watson is dangerously misinformed (at best).

 
OK, cool.

Watson evidently likes what she sees in the White House and is feeling comfortable about letting her true feelings out.  She was elected and that is one thing.  But when Communists are knowingly appointed to government positions, bypassing Constitutional provisions, that is another thing.

The Green Czar is supposed to be in charge of creating Green or environmently friendly jobs.  Again, our Green Czar, Van Jones, when asked what a green job is, couldn't answer the question.  There was and still is no formal definition, yet we have a Czar in charge of those jobs.  These Czars are not window dressing.  These Czars answer only to Obama.  Obama bypassed Senate comfirmation hearings and therefore investigations to appoint known Communists and radicals to powerful positions, answerable only to the President.  Obama knows who and what these people are he is appointing.  Our President is knowingly installing Communists and dangerous radicals bent on over throwing the Constitution.  Make no mistake.  They aren't there to support it. 

Another Czar to watch is the newest, Mark Lloyd, the "Diversity Czar".  He openly supports Chavez in Venezuala, and his efforts to squelch media and free speech.  Lloyd himself has called the 1st Ammendment a tool for corporations and not a valid right for Americans.  There is a provision being brought up in Congress, allowing Obama to suspend operation of the Internet and other communications should a "situation" arise.  I'll get more on that.  Just imagine if someone had tried to give Bush that power.

More to come...


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 3:06pm

 kurtster wrote:

Call me any name you like.  I'm glad you like the government you deserve.  We have Communists in the White House.  "Green Czar" Van Jones for one.  A flaming Communist.  An emeny of this nation.  Obama knowingly appointed him to as a "Czar" knowing full well he would never pass any Senate investigation.  He can't even tell us what a "green" job is.  This country is being hijacked and I'm glad you think we deserve it. 

I don't like it one bit.

  No no, my namecalling was addressed to the Representative from California. I never said I liked the government we have, only that we probably deserve it. An elected official who admires a murderous scumbag like Castro? Somebody elected the dang fool! That's all I meant.

I have no idea what a Green Czar is, I doubt anyone else does either. I think all of the 'czar' positions are just window dressing for whoever's pet causes: witness how effective the 'Drug Czar' was.

Sorry if you though I was calling you names, Kurt, that was not my intent: I agree Rep. Watson is dangerously misinformed (at best).


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 2:56pm

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Idiot. Yeah, Castro was very smart. So what? Sociopaths often have high IQs, that does not mean we should emulate them. Is it any wonder so many people cannot stand to be lumped in with EITHER political party?

I fear we already have the government we deserve...
 
Call me any name you like.  I'm glad you like the government you deserve.  We have Communists in the White House.  "Green Czar" Van Jones for one.  A flaming Communist.  An emeny of this nation.  Obama knowingly appointed him to as a "Czar" knowing full well he would never pass any Senate investigation.  He can't even tell us what a "green" job is.  This country is being hijacked and I'm glad you think we deserve it. 

I don't like it one bit.

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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 2:47pm

 kurtster wrote:
The Commies in Washington are finally coming out of the woodwork.

Diane Watson (D) California said the following on 27 Aug 2009:


 

Rep. Watson's grasp of history isn't even tenuous, it's totally lacking. She flubs her history of Cuba, repeatedly. Cubans did not seek a leader, they did not find Castro. Castro and his hack Che, having butchered tens of thousands, and not just those with means, bloodied their way to power. Che did not stand alone and then Castro was found. Utter rubbish. When you paint a false picture of a brutal dictator, don't let facts color your thoughts. Rep. Watson is clearly an idiot's idiot.
It's reprensible that any member of Congress might look lightly upon the human carnage Castro used to pave his way to power, but to not know of what they speak, compounds Rep. Watson's left leaning looniness. Rep. Watson is but the lastest left wing nutcase to issue nonsense on Cuba and the tyranny Cubans have felt for decades. In her case and for all others like her, ignorance is a strong mitigating factor trumped only by the left's flirtatious admiration for the Castros of this world. To wit: Chavez of Venezuela...
Perhaps Rep. Watson follows the lead of this Administration, now poised to end all trade with Honduras. And all because Honduran's, their Congress and Supreme Court in unanimous voice, defended their constitutional government against a deposed wannabe Chavez...


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Posted: Aug 31, 2009 - 2:46pm

 kurtster wrote:
The Commies in Washington are finally coming out of the woodwork.

Diane Watson (D) California said the following on 27 Aug 2009:
 
Idiot. Yeah, Castro was very smart. So what? Sociopaths often have high IQs, that does not mean we should emulate them. Is it any wonder so many people cannot stand to be lumped in with EITHER political party?

I fear we already have the government we deserve...

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