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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:19am


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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:11am

 meower wrote:

has any voting happened?

I appreciate anyone who feels like answering the question. Please don't call me lazy



 
You are so lazy.{#Snooty}

{#Hug}
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:06am

 meower wrote:

has any voting happened?

I appreciate anyone who feels like answering the question. Please don't call me lazy



 
Looks as if we get to keep the ACA - Ryan can't muster the votes to wreck it.
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:03am

has any voting happened?

I appreciate anyone who feels like answering the question. Please don't call me lazy


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:00am

The Republican health care plan
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 10:04am

 Skydog wrote:

I'm sure Trump/GOP will blame the shadow government of Barack Hussein Obama for not being able to repeal the ACA

 
Or Meryl Streep.
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 10:02am

 black321 wrote:

maybe the whole point of the GOP was to make a bill that would never get past, knowing any bill would be just as bad as the ACA if not worse...and then have the excuse to say, we tried...and then move on, leaving us with ACA?

 
I'm sure Trump/GOP will blame the shadow government of Barack Hussein Obama for not being able to repeal the ACA
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 9:59am

Report: Anxiety Disorders Induced By Trump Presidency Not Covered Under GOP Health Bill
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 9:58am

 Skydog wrote:
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Democrats don't like this bill.
Independents don't like this bill.
Conservatives don't like this bill.
Moderates don't like this bill.
All the energy behind the American Health Care Act is coming from inside the GOP congressional establishment — and now from Trump himself.
.
In a sense, this Matt Drudge tweet says it all:
" The swamp drains you."


 
maybe the whole point of the GOP was to make a bill that would never get past, knowing any bill would be just as bad as the ACA if not worse...and then have the excuse to say, we tried...and then move on, leaving us with ACA?
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 9:35am

(cut-paste)
Democrats don't like this bill.
Independents don't like this bill.
Conservatives don't like this bill.
Moderates don't like this bill.
All the energy behind the American Health Care Act is coming from inside the GOP congressional establishment — and now from Trump himself.
.
In a sense, this Matt Drudge tweet says it all:
" The swamp drains you."

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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 6:12am

Good news!

The revised GOP health care bill costs more than the earlier version but doesn't insure more people, the CBO says


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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 3:22pm

 aflanigan wrote:

Two things:

I won't say I agree 100% but the ability to profit off of innovation (such as from new drugs that are expensive to develop and obtain approval for) is sort of a bedrock of our western brand of capitalism. Profit that is earned is perhaps not such a bad thing?

Second, not sure what you are referring to with your last sentence, but I think it's overly simplistic to point to one era or one scapegoat as being the cause of runaway healthcare costs. If you are talking about our lack of a single payer system, over the last century various politically influential parties, including the AMA and organized labor and senior citizen groups, have taken sides in opposition to attempts to provide various legislation meant to create universal or single payer health care.

 
I am referring to this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q   For some reason the link thingy won't work for me.

Perhaps it is overly simplistic but my parents couldn't afford to send me to college either {#Sad}


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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 3:01pm

 Lazy8 wrote:


Dude, if you can't find your nuts I am NOT joining the search party!

 

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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 2:59pm

 pigtail wrote:

What we need to do is take the PROFIT margin out of healthcare period.  Keeping people healthy and fixing them when they are sick should be a nonprofit business.  We all have Nixon and his buddies to thank for that mess.

 
Two things:

I won't say I agree 100% but the ability to profit off of innovation (such as from new drugs that are expensive to develop and obtain approval for) is sort of a bedrock of our western brand of capitalism. Profit that is earned is perhaps not such a bad thing?

Second, not sure what you are referring to with your last sentence, but I think it's overly simplistic to point to one era or one scapegoat as being the cause of runaway healthcare costs. If you are talking about our lack of a single payer system, over the last century various politically influential parties, including the AMA and organized labor and senior citizen groups, have taken sides in opposition to attempts to provide various legislation meant to create universal or single payer health care.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 2:58pm

 aflanigan wrote:
Wait, is our agreeing a sign of the impending apocalypse?

(Feel free to respond with a snarky riposte about blind squirrels finding nuts). 

Dude, if you can't find your nuts I am NOT joining the search party!
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 2:50pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 aflanigan wrote:
I think kcar is mostly correct. The idea that we can innovate our way out of the problem of excessively costly health care, and the other attendant/related problems such as disparate access, lack of qualified professionals, etc. is rather naive. 

We need to address the underlying issues such as perverse incentives and other stuff causing problems, and we have to understand how the current rules and processes that are set up interact so that, in seeking to rectify flaws, we don't cause new, worse problems (which has happened over the years with the numerous other pushes for "reform" over the last century or so). 

This is the shortcoming in both the Republican plan and Obamacare: they're basically a revamping of insurance regulations and what little they have to do with actual healthcare they mostly got wrong.

We need to address why healthcare costs so damned much in the first place rather than just rearranging the pieces of the machinery we use to pay for it. This will not be a single bill nor anything that can get done in the first hundred days of an incompetent administration. It will require solving problems that aren't directly related to insurance or healthcare but have a huge influence on costs.

There is no magic technological bullet. We have lots of technology in healthcare, more and better all the time. It will be part of the solution no doubt...assuming we ever solve the problem.

 
Wait, is our agreeing a sign of the impending apocalypse?

(Feel free to respond with a snarky riposte about blind squirrels finding nuts). 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 2:22pm

 Steely_D wrote:
Remember that these are the folks who voted MORE THAN SIXTY TIMES to repeal the ACA.

They've had seven years that they've publicly talked about 1) how bad ACA is and 2) they're going to repeal it and 3) replace it.

And, now that they've been handed the steering wheel and every ability to live up to their promises...

 

 
These people are actually having to do their jobs and govern instead of filabuster.  This is something they just don't know how to do.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 2:20pm

Remember that these are the folks who voted MORE THAN SIXTY TIMES to repeal the ACA.

They've had seven years that they've publicly talked about 1) how bad ACA is and 2) they're going to repeal it and 3) replace it.

And, now that they've been handed the steering wheel and every ability to live up to their promises...

 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 1:37pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Safe for the moment.

 
I'm not sure that there's enough common ground between hard-right Republicans and moderate Republicans to allow Ryancare/Trumpcare to pass in the future. Trump made concessions in the last day or two to the Freedom Caucus and other hard-righters about limiting "essential benefits" coverage, but that move cost him votes from moderate Republicans.

When a President pushes bad or unpopular legislation, the representatives and senators in his party or the ones who often take it on the chin during elections. I think a lot of House Republicans realized that voting for Ryancare was more damaging to their careers than defying Trump.  
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 1:22pm

 kcar wrote: 
Safe for the moment.
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