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Posted: Feb 19, 2023 - 11:11am


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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 6:24pm

Flummoxed by Russian talking points. Does. Not. Compute.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 6:00pm

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Well, I haven't seen the Labor Party spouting Russian talking points, not saying that they haven't. I mean some of the old timer's still call each other comrade. But yeah I'd say they still are overall left-leaning with the caveat that if something helps a heavily unionised business they tend to support it (I'm looking at you, coal companies).

But if you don't like left leaning then maybe "progressive?" "non-extreme right wing?" "woke"? I dunno, but I think even you get the idea of who I was trying to characterise in a general sense realising that generalisations are just that and are imperfect.

I don't care about your use of the term (being leveled at westslope, who may or may not identify), but the facile characterization of repeating/being susceptible to Russian talking points. I guess the flip side would be the vast majority of boring centrists repeating NATO/US talking points.

Labour parties aren't what they used to be.
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 5:42pm

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If you start off with a hilarious characterization of "left-leaning" (does that incl. Aussie Labour?) (For some weird reason they are the Labor Party) and just dismiss arguments (as fuzzy logic) or distort them beyond recognition, then there's really no point in repeating or continuing them. Carry on as usual.


Well, I haven't seen the Labor Party spouting Russian talking points, not saying that they haven't. I mean some of the old timer's still call each other comrade. But yeah I'd say they still are overall left-leaning with the caveat that if something helps a heavily unionised business they tend to support it (I'm looking at you, coal companies).

But if you don't like left leaning then maybe "progressive?" "non-extreme right wing?" "woke"? I dunno, but I think even you get the idea of who I was trying to characterise in a general sense realising that generalisations are just that and are imperfect.
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 5:14pm

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*strawman? Unwilling to clarify? Wants to keep safe in the land of inuendo? 

I admit that it is sometimes hard to figure out the salient points from a rambling RP discussion thread.

If you start off with a hilarious characterization of "left-leaning" (does that incl. Aussie Labour?) and just dismiss arguments (as fuzzy logic) or distort them beyond recognition, then there's really no point in repeating or continuing them. Carry on as usual.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 5:02pm

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Improve your reading skills, most loyal vassal.



*strawman? Unwilling to clarify? Wants to keep safe in the land of inuendo? 

I admit that it is sometimes hard to figure out the salient points from a rambling RP discussion thread.
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 4:56pm

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Well, what are you saying with your clickbait links?

Improve your reading skills, most loyal vassal.

Missing tweet (my bad):

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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 4:55pm

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Where did I say that the US should ignore the Russian annexation? Classic straw man and making up copious amounts of sh!t. 

Well, what are you saying with your clickbait links?
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 4:53pm

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You are simultaneously arguing that the anexation is bad but the US should ignore it when Russia does it but shouldn't ignore it when Israel does.

Where did I say that the US should ignore the Russian annexation? Classic straw man and making up copious amounts of other sh!t.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 4:46pm

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Can't see the tweet but whatever. You are simultaneously arguing that the anexation is bad but the US should ignore it when Russia does it but shouldn't ignore it when Israel does. That's some fuzzy logic. And by the way we shouldn't ignore the jews getting the boot out of Palestine because it happened long ago but should be against the establishment of Israel becaus it happend in your lifetime. That last bit is truly one of the complicated ethical questions world wide. I mean was it ok for the Navajo to do in the Anasazi but bad for the Europeans to do in the Navajo? I don't have an easy answer to that one. Then again, I'm reasonably comfortable with grey areas.
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 4:02pm

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The Golan article is a total red herring and I have no idea why you think it is relevant.

Because annexations and ethnic cleansing are baaaaaad, bro!

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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 3:58pm

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Perfectly happy. *

The "rules-based order" likes annexations (as long as they're done and subsequently populated by the right people).

Yeah, perfectly happy was a minor overstatement because lip service condemnation with perhaps a few ineffective sanctions. The main take away is that the US was not doing anything to promote a war in Ukraine and was willing to let the agression slide. Now, you and others are trying to cast USA as aggressors in the region who somehow wanted the war that Russia started. To be fair, though, I don't think there was much the US could have done back then because western Europe wasn't behind any response. 

The Golan article is a total red herring and I have no idea why you think it is relevant. But for the record, I think Israel totally screwed up with Lebanon by screwing Lebanon. Unfortunately the Lebanese government was probably too weak to take on Hamas (or whatever group was there) and left themselves vulnerable. In any case it wasn't really under government control. 
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 2:17pm

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Look Biden was perfectly happy with the detante of letting Russia anex part of Ukraine and control a big chunk of the rest. (...)

Putin is extending the Soviet strategy of moving Russians into other countries in the "union" as ethnic cleansing of the populations.

Perfectly happy. *

The "rules-based order" likes annexations (as long as they're done and subsequently populated by the right people).

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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 1:19pm

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Well Uncle Joe "Terrorist" Biden finally accomplished what MAGA Republicans wanted all along.  

Slimy ethnic cleanser Joe is particularly proud of all the dead Ukrainians and he knows the American people are eagerly awaiting more dead Ukrainians.  But as long as enough Russians die, all is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.     


I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that left-leaning people are as susceptable to Russian talking points as right-leaning people. Look Biden was perfectly happy with the detante of letting Russia anex part of Ukraine and control a big chunk of the rest. He was happy to let Russia do their own internal slide into authoritarianism. From the nearly as far right as the traditional republican side of the democratic party was conserned, it was all tolerable as long as the global economy ticked along.

Hint, ethnic cleanser Joe isn't the one lobbing missiles into appartment buildings to get rid of Ukrainians in their own country. Putin is extending the Soviet strategy of moving Russians into other countries in the "union" as ethnic cleansing of the populations.
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Posted: Feb 17, 2023 - 12:08pm

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Thanks for the reminder, Joe



Well Uncle Joe "Terrorist" Biden finally accomplished what MAGA Republicans wanted all along.  

Slimy ethnic cleanser Joe is particularly proud of all the dead Ukrainians and he knows the American people are eagerly awaiting more dead Ukrainians.  But as long as enough Russians die, all is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.     
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Posted: Feb 16, 2023 - 5:53pm

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Posted: Feb 14, 2023 - 2:53pm

Thanks for the reminder, Joe

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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 10:35am

But when it comes to the escapades of arrogant gringos, no sampling of tales would
be complete without the somewhat unique but revealing story of William Walker,
a filibusterer who made himself president of Nicaragua, carrying south the expansion
that predecessors like Daniel Boone had carried west. Walker is not secret CIA
history. The CIA had yet to exist. During the 1850s Walker may have received
more attention in US newspapers than any US president. On four different days,
the New York Times devoted its entire front page to his antics. That
most people in Central America know his name and virtually nobody in the United
States does is a choice made by the respective educational systems. (...)

Walker got himself the command of a North American force supposedly aiding
one of two warring parties in Nicaragua, but actually doing what Walker chose,
which included capturing the city of Granada, effectively taking charge of the
country, and eventually holding a phony election of himself. Walker got to work
transferring land ownership to gringos, instituting slavery, and making English
an official language. Newspapers in the southern US wrote about Nicaragua as
a future US state. But Walker managed to make an enemy of Vanderbilt, and to
unite Central America as never before, across political divisions and national
borders, against him. Only the US government professed "neutrality."
Defeated, Walker was welcomed back to the United States as a conquering hero.
He tried again in Honduras in 1860 and ended up captured by the British, turned
over to Honduras, and shot by a firing squad. His soldiers were sent back to
the United States where they mostly joined the Confederate Army.

Walker had preached the gospel of war. "They are but drivellers,"
he said, "who speak of establishing fixed relations between the pure white
American race, as it exists in the United States, and the mixed, Hispano-Indian
race, as it exists in Mexico and Central America, without the employment of
force." Walker’s vision was adored and celebrated by US media, not to mention
a Broadway show.

US students are rarely taught how much US imperialism to the South up through
the 1860s was about expanding slavery, or how much it was impeded by the US
racism that did not want non-"white," non-English-speaking people
joining the United States.

José Martí wrote in a Buenos Aires newspaper denouncing the Monroe Doctrine
as hypocrisy and accusing the United States of invoking "freedom
. . . for purposes of depriving other nations of it.. (...)

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Posted: Feb 6, 2023 - 3:25pm

My beef is with the Insider Trading among Congress members. An abomination that should not be allowed in a so called Democratic Republic. As these *uckers get richer by investing on special information; they are passing these massive tax cuts for themselves.

I am progressive, but still appalled that Nancy Pelosi would not consider a bill to end it throughout her career.  Just before leaving office she became open to the idea. But the clock ran out and now we have a feeding frenzy at the trough of information the rest of us don't have.

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