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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 - 7:08pm

 miamizsun wrote:

little known fact:

woodrow wilson put it in the bottom of the whitehouse birdcage

 
Yup. And his desk lamp shade was made from the flesh of hobos he stalked and killed late at night.
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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 - 7:04pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
I think the constitution went away a long, long time ago. but if not, then this is certainly one of the very last nails in its coffin.
 
little known fact:

woodrow wilson put it in the bottom of the whitehouse birdcage


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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 - 6:39pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
We Take Care of Our Own: Eric Holder and the End of Rights
Historians of the future, if they are not imprisoned for saying so, will trace the end of America's democratic experiment to the fearful days immediately after 9/11, what Bruce Springsteen called the days of the empty sky, when frightened, small men named Bush and Cheney made the first decisions to abandon the Constitution in the name of freedom and created a new version of the security state with the Patriot Act, Guantanamo, secret prisons and sanctioned torture by the U.S. government. They proceeded carefully, making sure that lawyers in their employ sanctioned each dark act, much as kings in old Europe used the church to justify their own actions.

Those same historians will remark from exile on the irony that such horrendous policies were not only upheld by Obama, a Nobel Peace Prize winner and professor of Constitutional law, but added to until we came to the place we sadly occupy today: the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, publicly stating that the American Government may murder one of its own citizens when it wishes to do so, and that the requirements of due process enshrined in the Constitution's Fifth Amendment, itself drawn from the Magna Carta that was the first reflowering of basic human rights since the Greeks, can be satisfied simply by a decision by that same president.

Yesterday will thus be remembered as the day we gave up. No more clever wordplay (enhanced interrogations, "patriot" act, targeted killing, kinetic operations) but a simple declaration that the U.S. government will kill its own citizens when it wishes to, via a secret process we, and our victims, are not allowed to know or contest. (...)


 
I think the constitution went away a long, long time ago. but if not, then this is certainly one of the very last nails in its coffin.
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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 - 6:02pm

We Take Care of Our Own: Eric Holder and the End of Rights
Historians of the future, if they are not imprisoned for saying so, will trace the end of America's democratic experiment to the fearful days immediately after 9/11, what Bruce Springsteen called the days of the empty sky, when frightened, small men named Bush and Cheney made the first decisions to abandon the Constitution in the name of freedom and created a new version of the security state with the Patriot Act, Guantanamo, secret prisons and sanctioned torture by the U.S. government. They proceeded carefully, making sure that lawyers in their employ sanctioned each dark act, much as kings in old Europe used the church to justify their own actions.

Those same historians will remark from exile on the irony that such horrendous policies were not only upheld by Obama, a Nobel Peace Prize winner and professor of Constitutional law, but added to until we came to the place we sadly occupy today: the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, publicly stating that the American Government may murder one of its own citizens when it wishes to do so, and that the requirements of due process enshrined in the Constitution's Fifth Amendment, itself drawn from the Magna Carta that was the first reflowering of basic human rights since the Greeks, can be satisfied simply by a decision by that same president.

Yesterday will thus be remembered as the day we gave up. No more clever wordplay (enhanced interrogations, "patriot" act, targeted killing, kinetic operations) but a simple declaration that the U.S. government will kill its own citizens when it wishes to, via a secret process we, and our victims, are not allowed to know or contest. (...)

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 4:08pm

 miamizsun wrote:
lot of folks do fall for that rhetoric
 
Not that surprising for those on the inside of the asylum. The funny, or worrisome, thing is that it's become all-compassing, and barely has anything to do with the notion of nation(s) or its sidekick sovereignty...
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 4:00pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
(...) why? (...) 

Capt. Obviuz sez: this

 
lot of folks do fall for that rhetoric



these kids aren't laughing (graphic!)


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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:19pm

 miamizsun wrote:
(...) why? (...) 

Capt. Obviuz sez: this
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:11pm

 Monkeysdad wrote:
And this time it wasn't a Conservative/Republican cabinet sending the message....go figure!

  Mr. Holder is an expert at obfuscation.


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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:10pm

 Monkeysdad wrote:
And this time it wasn't a Conservative/Republican cabinet sending the message....go figure!

 
yes.  there is now even less difference between the two "choices."
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:09pm

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whenever it feels like it.

  If your headlights are misaligned, doubly so.


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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:08pm

And this time it wasn't a Conservative/Republican cabinet sending the message....go figure!
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:06pm

whenever it feels like it.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 3:02pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
On Monday, the Obama administration explained when it's allowed to kill you.

Speaking to students and faculty at Northwestern University law school, Attorney General Eric Holder laid out in greater detail than ever before the legal theory behind the administration's belief that it can kill American citizens suspected of terrorism without charge or trial. In the 5,000-word speech, the nation's top law enforcement official directly confronted critics who allege that the targeted killing of American citizens violates the Constitution.

"'Due process' and 'judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security." Holder said. "The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." (...)


 
they've killed thousands of innocent men, women and children

why?

they simply don't have the right to murder innocent people

ever

period
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 - 2:46pm

On Monday, the Obama administration explained when it's allowed to kill you.

Speaking to students and faculty at Northwestern University law school, Attorney General Eric Holder laid out in greater detail than ever before the legal theory behind the administration's belief that it can kill American citizens suspected of terrorism without charge or trial. In the 5,000-word speech, the nation's top law enforcement official directly confronted critics who allege that the targeted killing of American citizens violates the Constitution.

"'Due process' and 'judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security." Holder said. "The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." (...)

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