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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 2:14pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: talk about red herrings. C'mon, step up to the plate. Or are you standing there, gulp, empty-handed? Infantile taunting.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 2:12pm
R_P wrote: Red herrings to distract from the topic at hand. talk about red herrings. C'mon, step up to the plate. Or are you standing there, gulp, empty-handed?

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 2:11pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: TÃ¤ter/Opferumkehr You are the biggest fan here of Russia's invasion. Despite having it explained several times, you prefer slander. Unserious. Wrong.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 2:09pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: C'mon guys, step up to the challenge. Explain to me how Russia and Hamas fit into a Marxist scenario of historical evolution. Maybe we all learn something from the discussion. Red herrings to distract from the topic at hand.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:53pm
thisbody wrote: Child's play at the cost of lives worldwide. Sorry, can't keep up this BS. Gute Nacht nach SÃ¼ddeutschland. wtf? It's not even 11 pm and it's not bullshit. You just don't have any solid arguments. (funny, I thought you lived near Hamburg). edit: oh you said nach

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:51pm
thisbody wrote: I never said anything about Marx. You bullying anyone with differing views. you have a very strange idea of bullying. Ok, so you are not a Marxist. Maybe a feudalist? All I want is a cogent argument of why your ideas are going to be better for the world.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:49pm
Child's play at the cost of lives worldwide. Sorry, can't keep up this BS. Gute Nacht nach SÃ¼ddeutschland.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:49pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: But back to Marx. .. any ideas? I never said anything about Marx. You bullying anyone with differing views.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:48pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: would be kind of cool, wouldn't it? Take out the Russian air superiority. Or do you seriously want Russian control to be reinstated over East Germany, oh come on, let's be generous, all of Europe! who cares what i said 5 minutes ago - i dont (NoEnzo)

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:47pm
But back to Marx. .. any ideas?

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:46pm
thisbody wrote: Seems yer getting older as well. would be kind of cool, wouldn't it? Take out the Russian air superiority. Or do you seriously want Russian control to be reinstated over East Germany, oh come on, let's be generous, all of Europe!

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:43pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: wtf? 1) I have never said anything about F-16s IIRC, and bullying? srsly? You obviously went to a different type of school than I did Seems yer getting older as well. So don't let me dig back any deeper, please. (I'm only 63 yrs young.)

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:22pm

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Exactly. So do his forecasts for Ukraine with the "total F-16" impact, etc. etc. etc.
So much for...

"Let's just say... this and that" ...honest? Or rather dishonest? A pity when he could indeed be learning to empathize and begin to discuss, instead of bullying.

wtf? 1) I have never said anything about F-16s IIRC, and bullying? srsly? You obviously went to a different type of school than I did.

C'mon guys, step up to the challenge. Explain to me how Russia and Hamas fit into a Marxist scenario of historical evolution. Maybe we all learn something from the discussion.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:19pm
R_P wrote: Your support for the US/Israel/NATO and every form of escalation (see Macron) suggests otherwise. Exactly. So do his forecasts for Ukraine with the "total F-16" impact, etc. etc. etc. So much for... "Let's just say... this and that" ...honest? Or rather dishonest? A pity when he could indeed be learning to empathize and begin to discuss, instead of bullying.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:16pm
R_P wrote: Your support for the US/Israel/NATO and every form of escalation (see Macron) suggests otherwise. TÃ¤ter/Opferumkehr You are the biggest fan here of Russia's invasion.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:15pm

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Pretty amazing that a limited "Rules Based Order" would support such a far-right ultra-nationalist government to the hilt. Oh wait, it's not surprising at all. Ultranationalism, despotism or far-right shenanigans are to be excused as long as "we" can agree on the bigger picture.

Even if the protests intensify soonâanother outcome of IDIâs pollâand the country heads for elections sometime during 2024, there is a huge question mark in regard to the structural changes in Israeli political thinking and public support for unpopular moves. That includes support for the two-state solutionâa consensus shared around the world, but a big no-no for almost all Israeli politicians from the extreme right to the center. To ignite a process that will allow for a realistic discussion about âthe day afterâ in Gaza and the need to implement the two states solution, Israeli society first needs to acknowledge that the policies that Netanyahu has advanced since 2009 have failed, and to start searching for alternatives. October 7, 2023 might be the beginning of the end of Netanyahuâs era, but it will be truly finished only when his political legacy of maintaining the status quo is gone.

Centrists, in particular, love the status quo.

C'mon Richard. You are being disingenuous, Hamas themselves are not in favour of a two-state solution.
Me? I'm in favour of it. But I kind of suspect my voice doesn't count for much.
On that note, what's your standpoint? Eradication of the state of Israel Ã la Hamas or a two-state solution?

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:13pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: I think we are all completely disgusted by the misery of war. Let's just say we share that in common. Your support for the US/Israel/NATO and every form of escalation (see Macron) suggests otherwise.

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Posted: Apr 8, 2024 - 1:08pm

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Feudal Russia and Hamas, ahumm... I see where your intellectual horizon is taking you (admit it - you gained that view from warhawk training, US, Nato, or EU based) without any impartial context at all, and the higher your "social organization" will be taking the world, the more people will die from hunger, I'm sure, as Marx wasn't calculating with global capitalism in mind. Instead you masquerade as intellectually open but your heart remains closed and dark.

I think we are all completely disgusted by the misery of war. Let's just say we share that in common.

Let's get back to Marx. Marx was most definitely thinking of global capitalism. In fact that was his whole point (and his weakness - like most 19C thinkers he thought he had discovered a natural law, like the theory of evolution).

Full disclosure: I am not a Marxist but as a student I identified myself as a Marxist and was (temporarily) a member of a Trotskyist progressive movement. I studied political science and have read a fair bit of Marxist writing. I may not be the most knowledgeable here at RP on the subject but am very willing to discuss it with you, if you are up for an honest discussion on the subject.

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