Yea this is where I have to respectfully part ways with you on this one Kurt. Creationism should never make it out of the home of the zealots imo. I respect and defend the rights of those who wish to teach it to their children as much as I think that is troubling as well, but keep that shi'te under wraps and keep it away from our schools!
And when no counterpoint is offered ... was an illustration of how baseless beliefs are formed.
Creationism is counterpoint to real science. Creationism is a fairy tale. It is not real or true.
Yes: "Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.<3> This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative." Wikipedia
People love to say evolution is only a theory, but as the statement says, theories and scientific theories are not the same thing.
Yes it should be taught, along with the other theories. Just put out for consideration and discussion as one of many opinions of how we came to be. It was in Berkeley when I was a kid in just that manner. Neither promoted or discounted, just offered up with the others.
All points of view should be offered up, if one is. Do I believe in Creationism ? No. Darwinism ? Maybe, but I have heard some serious arguments that shoot it down in flames, too.
Yea this is where I have to respectfully part ways with you on this one Kurt. Creationism should never make it out of the home of the zealots imo. I respect and defend the rights of those who wish to teach it to their children as much as I think that is troubling as well, but keep that shi'te under wraps and keep it away from our schools!
You can label my reply to the original post however you like; I consider the original post (the one on the Blaze regarding the angry father) to be another example of manufactured outrage based on lots of speculation and assumption. If you don't agree with my position, fine. I try to look behind the superficial message that is being thrown at me ("get mad! They're out to get us/our kids!") to see if anything substantial might actually lie behind it, and to look at what motives, if any, underlie the people presenting the message. I'm basically a card carrying skeptic, and I guess scrutinizing things closely might bother some folks who are eager to accept stuff at face value.
I have a pretty good idea what nihilism is, but I'm not sure what constitutes a "nihilistic approach"?
Having looked at some of the reactions on other conservative websites to this story, it seems clear that what has some people's panties in a twist is that they are convinced the teacher was somehow trying to brainwash her students into taking a position aligned with the statement she wrote. I think that the notion that the "liberal left", through the schools, has been brainwashing children is a very popular conservative trope (see HERE) and has been for some time. The notion that colleges are bastions of liberal mind poison has never really taken hold as an urgent problem for most Americans, and calls to suspend tenure generally got ignored; it seems that the argument is now shifting to K-12 schools being ground zero in the battle for the hearts and minds of the youth of America. This post from the Blaze seems to be in the same vein.
Let me ask you: Do you think it's plausible that school teachers can politically or morally brainwash their students by having them copy statements they write down on the board? By having discussions in class about various topics? By reading selected books? Does this fear of widespread brainwashing of students in schools strike you as far-fetched, or not?
Hmm. Food for thought, for sure. Primarily, one most certainly cannot assume moral superiority as a corollary to intellectual superiority. I think you are guilty of that. It is clear to me that people are afraid, a great many people, and in that state of fear are given to some hysterical utterances. It does not, however, invalidate their concerns.
Nihilistic approach? Perhaps necessarily vague for the purpose of the point at hand. I still think you get it.
I do not read blogs, conservative or otherwise, as I deem them to be incendiary and utterly self-serving. I study history. I read literature and philosophy. I try to make opinions based on my own capacity for reason, and my learned ability to juxtapose current trends and events with what history and my own life experience has shown to me. I am fortunate in that respect, and know it. As a result, I am concerned with the radical left's subversion of our young people, as it in no way represents a balanced or logical approach to anything, but is merely a hollow, bleak, narrow, and totalitarian philosophy that doesn't work, and allows for no joy, no self-enrichment, and the destruction of a middle-class in favor of intellectual "elites" who garner and then fight to retain all of the power once held by the people. The radical left is a false messiah, a masturbatory self-engorgement of the few over the many, ensuring no hope, no possibility of upward mobility, and no future. Most folks will take the chaos and unpredictability of freedom every day over someone telling them what they have to do, and when, and how. When you start messing with people's kids, no matter how politically correct you sell it, the backlash will be profound.
Do I think it plausible for teachers to brainwash kids? Read The Third Reich in Power, by Richard Evans. Read about the pogroms of Stalin. Look at any totalitarian society. Study a little history. But, whatever you do, do not piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Yes it should be taught, along with the other theories. Just put out for consideration and discussion as one of many opinions of how we came to be. It was in Berkeley when I was a kid in just that manner. Neither promoted or discounted, just offered up with the others.
All points of view should be offered up, if one is. Do I believe in Creationism ? No. Darwinism ? Maybe, but I have heard some serious arguments that shoot it down in flames, too.
And when no counterpoint is offered ... was an illustration of how baseless beliefs are formed.
Creationism is counterpoint to real science. Creationism is a fairy tale. It is not real or true.
?? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is one of the most banned books of all time. It had problems from even before the start with a questionable engraving as part of the marketing materials. It has been banned off an on since it's publications for reasons ranging from race to morals.
It's not like the efforts of he concord library a hundred plus years ago have led us to the point where independent thought is prohibited (and if you are making that argument I'd say it was a pretty meager performance as far as effectiveness is concerned).
Good point, I understand why racist don't like it but it has always troubled me the progressives that completely missed the point. Unbelievable. It is kind of like the progressives who were upset about All in the Family.....whooosh! I love that book, I feel sorry for anyone who did or does not understand its true greatness.
Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn were once required reading. Now the books are banned.
And who got them banned ? When were they banned ?
?? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is one of the most banned books of all time. It had problems from even before the start with a questionable engraving as part of the marketing materials. It has been banned off an on since it's publications for reasons ranging from race to morals.
It's not like the efforts of he concord library a hundred plus years ago have led us to the point where independent thought is prohibited (and if you are making that argument I'd say it was a pretty meager performance as far as effectiveness is concerned).
See, the whole world is a lie. If you listen to the talking heads on tv, most of them either do not understand the problem, or prefer to ignore them.
Listen to anybody on tv, they live in a world of delusion. Or else the truth is so painful that they stuff their faces with fast and watch reality tv to sublimate the pain.
I once heard someone say, If the legend is better than the truth, tell the legend.
Edit: Every war we have fought has been entered on a lie and perpetuated by lies. And we only learn the lies, not the truth.
So you believe in teaching the Creationism in school?
Have no idea where you got that, but ...
Yes it should be taught, along with the other theories. Just put out for consideration and discussion as one of many opinions of how we came to be. It was in Berkeley when I was a kid in just that manner. Neither promoted or discounted, just offered up with the others.
All points of view should be offered up, if one is. Do I believe in Creationism ? No. Darwinism ? Maybe, but I have heard some serious arguments that shoot it down in flames, too.
Oh my goodness, absolutely! And they have been doing it as long as there has been school. Just about everything we learn in elementary school is BS, at least when I went.
And do have any idea what kind of schoolbooks the Texas school book companies put out for students?
Let me ask you: Do you think it's plausible that school teachers can politically or morally brainwash their students by having them copy statements they write down on the board? By having discussions in class about various topics? By reading selected books? Does this fear of widespread brainwashing of students in schools strike you as far-fetched, or not?
Oh my goodness, absolutely! And they have been doing it as long as there has been school. Just about everything we learn in elementary school is BS, at least when I went.
And do have any idea what kind of schoolbooks the Texas school book companies put out for students?
Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn were once required reading. Now the books are banned.
And who got them banned ? When were they banned ?
Thanks for reminding me, very sad. I think Huck Finn is one of the most important, progressive works of literature in all of human history. To be banned is not only sad, but depriving our public school children of a master work.
What makes you sure that no counter-point was offered to the students? The article says that "some of the students" wrote that, but it is deliberately fails to mention what the other students wrote. What makes anyone sure that that statement is the belief of that teacher? What if she asked the students how they feel about it, and the ones who felt that way were asked to write that sentiment down? That article is woefully speculative and offers no counter-point.
I don't know if a counterpoint was offered. Not my point. Reread my statement.
And when no counterpoint is offered ... was an illustration of how baseless beliefs are formed.
Let me ask you: Do you think it's plausible that school teachers can politically or morally brainwash their students by having them copy statements they write down on the board? By having discussions in class about various topics? By reading selected books? Does this fear of widespread brainwashing of students in schools strike you as far-fetched, or not?
Yes.
Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn were once required reading. Now the books are banned.
Yes it is the wording that is critical. I am willing ... not would you or could you. It is worded as an agreement or commitment, not a consideration or question.
Its conditioning. Rote conditioning. That is how young minds are shaped. And when no counterpoint is offered, it is accepted as true. This is how baseless beliefs are formed. When these beliefs are formed at this early of an age, they become nearly impossible to become undone.
What is even more important is the source for this teacher's lesson plan on this exercise. That needs to be brought out. Was it the teacher's individual idea, or part of a mass manufactured lesson plan. An individual idea would be one thing. To have it as part of a premeditated mass lesson plan is what we should really be concerned about. That is unless one agrees with the statement.
And no, I would never give up some of my CR's to be safer or more secure. Doing so creates the opposite.
What makes you sure that no counter-point was offered to the students? The article says that "some of the students" wrote that, but it is deliberately fails to mention what the other students wrote. What makes anyone sure that that statement is the belief of that teacher? What if she asked the students how they feel about it, and the ones who felt that way (truly, or in role-playing) were asked to write that sentiment down? That article is woefully speculative and offers no counter-point.
My question is, which side is Beck on? I would be really concerned if my kid brought this home, but he is building an exclusive island where he controls everything that happens there.
Beck is a fruit cake who don't know that? As far as I know, Beck was not in that classroom that day.
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