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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 7:53am



 sirdroseph wrote:
I can give you mine, I think he is a shit head much like most of the others. However he is an authentic shit head and does not try or is probably not even capable of hiding it in the slightest which is something new. Now there is an important distinction to be made here between truth and authenticity, Trump is a liar like all the rest, but he is authentic which other than Sanders, I do not think this is at trait that any of the candidates share. Maybe that is why these 2 are the only politicians that garner true excitement and mass appeal in the electorate. What you see is what you get which is not a usual trait of politicians and some are blinded by their craving for authenticity that they fully accept his shortcomings which are shared by most of our politicians. This is why you get the same ol same ol response in most cases. I cannot speak for Kurtster, will let him do that, but this is probably how most of his supporters feel just to give you some insight.
 
Trump is an authentic con man. That is an oxymoron of sorts, I know, but that is the only context in which the word “authentic” could/would/should apply to him. 

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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 7:52am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 
 

I had lots of problems with Obama. But to equate him—to even put him in the same room—with Trump is howlingly funny. "They're all bad ergo I'm just going to sit in the corner and throw bombs" is a terrible hill to die on.
 
Maybe, maybe not.  Other than personality particularly in that Obama was very smooth, charming and cosmopolitan while he was lying to his bedazzled supporters while Trump has a more direct approach by just lying and throwing the red meat of insults to his rabid supporters.  However they probably share a lot more qualities than one might think other than being the prerequisite narcissist required for the job.  I have already pointed out a lot of similarities between the two in respect to how they run the country, in particular in regards to attitudes toward whistleblowers, absolute disregard of the deficit and love of executive power.   I do agree that it is silly to throw bombs, which is why I am in full support of non intervention policy and bringing all of our troops home.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 7:36am



 sirdroseph wrote:
 

I had lots of problems with Obama. But to equate him—to even put him in the same room—with Trump is howlingly funny. "They're all bad ergo I'm just going to sit in the corner and throw bombs" is a terrible hill to die on.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 7:26am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

To be fair with that litmus test not many Presidents in our history would pass.  Carter is about the only one I can think of, but I would not want him managing my money either.  In our present system, I do not think it is possible for a good person to become President and quite frankly is not necessary and even in some context contraindicated to being a good President.  JFK, Clinton, Nixon and Johnson (all debateable whether they were good Presidents, but not debeatable on their dubious private lives) come to mind as recent examples of this.
 
Fair point...but everyone gets caught speeding in their lives, some get speeding tickets, while others have drugs, weapons and body parts in the car.  

Maybe the difference between everyone you listed and Trump is timing, but his ability to completely disregard history, facts, and consequences to make whatever point about his personal greatness he wants at that moment is striking.  

All of that said, your response is exactly the type I referenced.  Instead of answering the question (on Kurt's behalf), you explain why he's like everyone else.  He may very well be...but I want to know Kurt's feelings about the President.  Three guys from the 1960's and one from the 1990's aren't a concern of mine for this election.
 
I can give you mine, I think he is a shit head much like most of the others.  However he is an authentic shit head and does not try or is probably not even capable of hiding it in the slightest which is something new. Now there is an important distinction to be made here between truth and authenticity, Trump is a liar like all the rest, but he is authentic which other than Sanders, I do not think this is a trait that any of the candidates share.  Maybe that is why these 2 are the only politicians that garner true excitement and mass appeal in the electorate.   What you see is what you get which is not a usual trait of politicians and some are blinded by their craving for authenticity that they fully accept his shortcomings which are shared by most of our politicians.  This is why you get the same ol same ol response in most cases.  I cannot speak for Kurtster, will let him do that, but this is probably how most of his supporters feel just to give you some insight.
steeler

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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 7:09am



 kurtster wrote:
I do agree with most of sird's points. And definitely with the bolded.

Alas, I don't seem to receive many reasoned responses. Just mostly predictable hate filled talking points. I guess that is primarily because of my open support of Trump. TDS. That it comes with the territory. Oh well. Is what it is. Long done losing any sleep over it.
 

I was attempting to make a positive statement, one that was meant to be inclusive. Something I thought we all could agree with, generally speaking.

Now that it is being dissected, I guess I have to wonder  why one would post in these political discussions if (1) one is not trying to change anyone’s mind — or open to having one’s own mind changed; and (2) one does not expect to receive reasoned responses to what one has posted. What, then, would be the point? Presumably, one hopes that his or her post is read. I also assume one is seeking feedback. If neither is true, then one could achieve the same result by writing in a private diary/journal.

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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 6:45am



 sirdroseph wrote:

To be fair with that litmus test not many Presidents in our history would pass.  Carter is about the only one I can think of, but I would not want him managing my money either.  In our present system, I do not think it is possible for a good person to become President and quite frankly is not necessary and even in some context contraindicated to being a good President.  JFK, Clinton, Nixon and Johnson (all debateable whether they were good Presidents, but not debeatable on their dubious private lives) come to mind as recent examples of this.
 
Fair point...but everyone gets caught speeding in their lives, some get speeding tickets, while others have drugs, weapons and body parts in the car.  

Maybe the difference between everyone you listed and Trump is timing, but his ability to completely disregard history, facts, and consequences to make whatever point about his personal greatness he wants at that moment is striking.  

All of that said, your response is exactly the type I referenced.  Instead of answering the question (on Kurt's behalf), you explain why he's like everyone else.  He may very well be...but I want to know Kurt's feelings about the President.  Three guys from the 1960's and one from the 1990's aren't a concern of mine for this election.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 6:18am

 rgio wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
Alas, I don't seem to receive many reasoned responses. Just mostly predictable hate filled talking points. I guess that is primarily because of my open support of Trump. TDS. That it comes with the territory. Oh well. Is what it is. Long done losing any sleep over it.
 
Kurt, I don't think the majority of responses are hate-filled.  The folks who dabble in politics here do so (IMO) more for sport than use it as a platform. No leverage for change in this discussion, with all 20 people.  The struggle I have, and I believe others have, is understanding how intelligent, caring, principled people appear willing to deny facts in defense of someone with a lifetime of dishonesty?  What do you want so badly (low taxes, right to life, cheap fossil fuels) that you will cheer dishonesty and ignore facts?  

What I notice in many Trump supporters is the willingness to just surrender at some point and wait for the next moment to interact.  I've asked you directly several times if you trust Trump?  Would you let him manage your money or date your daughter?  Do you believe he's a good person?

 
To be fair with that litmus test not many Presidents in our history would pass.  Carter is about the only one I can think of, but I would not want him managing my money either.  In our present system, I do not think it is possible for a good person to become President and quite frankly is not necessary and even in some context contraindicated to being a good President.  JFK, Clinton, Nixon and Johnson (all debateable whether they were good Presidents, but not debeatable on their dubious private lives) come to mind as recent examples of this.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 6:12am



 kurtster wrote:
Alas, I don't seem to receive many reasoned responses. Just mostly predictable hate filled talking points. I guess that is primarily because of my open support of Trump. TDS. That it comes with the territory. Oh well. Is what it is. Long done losing any sleep over it.
 
Kurt, I don't think the majority of responses are hate-filled.  The folks who dabble in politics here do so (IMO) more for sport than use it as a platform. No leverage for change in this discussion, with all 20 people.  The struggle I have, and I believe others have, is understanding how intelligent, caring, principled people appear willing to deny facts in defense of someone with a lifetime of dishonesty?  What do you want so badly (low taxes, right to life, cheap fossil fuels) that you will cheer dishonesty and ignore facts?  

What I notice in many Trump supporters is the willingness to just surrender at some point and wait for the next moment to interact.  I've asked you directly several times if you trust Trump?  Would you let him manage your money or date your daughter?  Do you believe he's a good person?

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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 5:44am



 kurtster wrote:
Alas, I don't seem to receive many reasoned responses. Just mostly predictable hate filled talking points. I guess that is primarily because of my open support of Trump. TDS. That it comes with the territory. Oh well. Is what it is. Long done losing any sleep over it.
 

People who disagree with you and are sometimes flabbergasted at how intractable you are on any point... they must suffer from TDS. Got it. You can say anything, no matter how outrageous, and if someone calls you on it, they're deranged. I see.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 5:08am

 steeler wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:


Were this only possible, but sadly I don't think it is.   This is part of the reason I am starting to step back and realize that I don't think there is a political solution.  We have reached the point of diminishing returns in respect to what can be achieved through political means ie law, legislation and government mandate.   There are already laws for every conceivable injustice you can come up with and our population is just too large with too many individuals who will game whatever system you want to throw at them from the dirt poor to the billionaires and the politically active are operating at two opposite poles that are just drifting further and further apart.  I view my political opinions as just that opinions, but no longer seek out guidance and hope from any candidate or party (though philosophically I do agree with Libertarians the most obviously) and am increasingly drawing inward in controlling my self and my actions to be the best person I can be and acting in such a way that will only improve all that I come in contact with irl.  I use this forum as an outlet to get out my frustrations with the hypocrisy of all governments and institutions and really that is all.   I do not expect to change minds or achieve anything political through my rants, I just need to get them out in an environment that is mature enough not to lose minds and possibly friends.   I think you would be shocked were we to meet in real life, the difference in experience to how I communicate in this forum.  My compassion and kindness is fully focused into real life interactions.  Cheers!
 

I do not agree with all these points, but I do strongly endorse what I believe to be your base premise — that this is a place where, mostly, one can put out thoughts rattling around one’s brain, including rants, without fear of repercussions and with the expectation of reasoned responses. This is a receptive forum for the discussion of ideas. That is important and, for me, invaluable.

 
I do agree with most of sird's points.  And definitely with the bolded.  

Alas, I don't seem to receive many reasoned responses.  Just mostly predictable hate filled talking points.  I guess that is primarily because of my open support of Trump.  TDS. That it comes with the territory.  Oh well.  Is what it is.  Long done losing any sleep over it.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 4:59am

 Lazy8 wrote:
All well and good but I'm waiting for Miley Cyrus, Charlie Sheen, and the Kardashians to weigh in.

And what if the Kardashians are a tie? Brokered convention, flip a coin, pie?

OK, pie. It was always going to be pie anyway.
 

if it's pie in the sky i'll take a single slice

as long as it's sliced into nine billion pieces 

i think globally
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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 4:34am

 R_P wrote:
Mr. Sanders did not just win Nevada. Entrance polls show that he dominated.

Those polls showed Mr. Sanders winning men and women; whites and Latinos; voters in all but the oldest age group (17-29, 30-44 and 45-64); those with college degrees and those without. He was carrying union households and nonunion households, self-identified liberal Democrats (by a wide margin) and moderate and conservative ones (narrowly).

 sirdroseph wrote:
Yes, that is what I am saying.  See we are understanding each other much better as time goes on.
 
It's not hard to understand that you neither have an idea what a social democrat (closest to Sanders' position) stands for, nor how they should choose to prioritize their life.
 
Careful now, you sound like a libertarian.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 1:46pm

 westslope wrote:
According to NPR, US intelligence officials briefed Sanders a month ago that Russians were 'interfering' with a view to help Sanders get elected nominated.   The Washington Post broke the story on Friday.

Thoughts?

FYT.

"The disclosure of Russian assistance to Sanders follows a briefing to lawmakers last week in which a senior intelligence official said that Russia wants to see Trump reelected, viewing his administration as more favorable to the Kremlin’s interests, according to people who were briefed on the comments."

Red
herrings...
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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 1:20pm

According to NPR, US intelligence officials briefed Sanders a month ago that Russians were 'interfering' with a view to help Sanders get elected.   The Washington Post broke the story on Friday.

Sanders' reaction has so far been rather low key and reasonable.   

Trump has to be careful weaponizing this revelation or risk constant reminders that:  1) Trump went to Russia for capital because Americans would no longer lend him money, and 2) while in Russia, he enjoyed the wonderful services of beautiful, super sexy Russian prostitutes.  

Thoughts?



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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 10:19am

Mr. Sanders did not just win Nevada. Entrance polls show that he dominated.

Those polls showed Mr. Sanders winning men and women; whites and Latinos; voters in all but the oldest age group (17-29, 30-44 and 45-64); those with college degrees and those without. He was carrying union households and nonunion households, self-identified liberal Democrats (by a wide margin) and moderate and conservative ones (narrowly).

 sirdroseph wrote:
Yes, that is what I am saying.  See we are understanding each other much better as time goes on.
 
It's not hard to understand that you neither have an idea what a social democrat (closest to Sanders' position) stands for, nor how they should choose to prioritize their life.
steeler

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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 9:56am



 sirdroseph wrote:


Were this only possible, but sadly I don't think it is.   This is part of the reason I am starting to step back and realize that I don't think there is a political solution.  We have reached the point of diminishing returns in respect to what can be achieved through political means ie law, legislation and government mandate.   There are already laws for every conceivable injustice you can come up with and our population is just too large with too many individuals who will game whatever system you want to throw at them from the dirt poor to the billionaires and the politically active are operating at two opposite poles that are just drifting further and further apart.  I view my political opinions as just that opinions, but no longer seek out guidance and hope from any candidate or party (though philosophically I do agree with Libertarians the most obviously) and am increasingly drawing inward in controlling my self and my actions to be the best person I can be and acting in such a way that will only improve all that I come in contact with irl.  I use this forum as an outlet to get out my frustrations with the hypocrisy of all governments and institutions and really that is all.   I do not expect to change minds or achieve anything political through my rants, I just need to get them out in an environment that is mature enough not to lose minds and possibly friends.   I think you would be shocked were we to meet in real life, the difference in experience to how I communicate in this forum.  My compassion and kindness is fully focused into real life interactions.  Cheers!

 

I do not agree with all these points, but I do strongly endorse what I believe to be your base premise — that this is a place where, mostly, one can put out thoughts rattling around one’s brain, including rants, without fear of repercussions and with the expectation of reasoned responses. This is a receptive forum for the discussion of ideas. That is important and, for me, invaluable.


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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 6:52am



 R_P wrote:
So essentially a 78-year old with certain egalitarian political viewpoints and a long record of public service (I assume well-paid and with benefits) should not be able to (or want to?) acquire a net worth of something like ~2.3M$, over a lifetime, in the U.S? Presumably he has a house in VT (home state), and one in DC (work). And a summerhouse.

He (and his wife, kids?) should give it all away and go live in a card box. Or a shed. And grow veggies. For The People.


Also, due to inflation, "millionaires" ain't what they used to be (elite)...
 

Yes, that is what I am saying.  See we are understanding each other much better as time goes on.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 6:49am



 haresfur wrote:


 
Sorry about the weird quote stuff. Bernie is not my favourite of the Democratic field, but not my least favourite, either. And that is in part that I'm not sure he has the ability to develop detailed policies that will minimise unintended effects, or to listen to the policy wonks who can. (as an aside, my main problem with Warren is that she talks like she has it all figured out but really should be saying that she has sound plans for a starting point of the legislative process)

It seems really weird to me that many Americans would rather have a health care system where they continue to pay more and more for less and less coverage while allowing the insurance companies to screw then by denying benefits. It seems to me that one of the things ACA tried to do was to simplify the system so you could get adequate coverage without having to either have a ton of money, a really good job with a good company, or some kind of amazing savvy to wade through the system. But what do I know? I have decent basic health care that is provided to all, and top it up with supplemental insurance that is partially covered by a tax break.

I admire you wanting to live a simple lifestyle. That was one of my goals when I down-sized to my current house (not that my partner always agrees). I haven't paid an electric bill in about 8 years since I installed solar. I do pay for natural gas. House is frickin cold in winter. I do try to minimise my carbon footprint, while living a lifestyle I want. My 20,000 L rainwater tank will probably never pay for itself but I want to do my bit to help the farmers and the environment. I'd grow more of my own food but I'm  a crap gardener. 

But strangely enough, it sounds like you are more willing than I to criticize Saunders, AOC, et al. for their lifestyle choices than I am. I want to change things so everyone is doing more to lower GHG emissions. That doesn't mean everyone does the same things and I am not naive enough to think that the end result will be entirely equitable, but there are huge advantages of scale in working together. 

 

Were this only possible, but sadly I don't think it is.   This is part of the reason I am starting to step back and realize that I don't think there is a political solution.  We have reached the point of diminishing returns in respect to what can be achieved through political means ie law, legislation and government mandate.   There are already laws for every conceivable injustice you can come up with and our population is just too large with too many individuals who will game whatever system you want to throw at them from the dirt poor to the billionaires and the politically active are operating at two opposite poles that are just drifting further and further apart.  I view my political opinions as just that opinions, but no longer seek out guidance and hope from any candidate or party (though philosophically I do agree with Libertarians the most obviously) and am increasingly drawing inward in controlling my self and my actions to be the best person I can be and acting in such a way that will only improve all that I come in contact with irl.  I use this forum as an outlet to get out my frustrations with the hypocrisy of all governments and institutions and really that is all.   I do not expect to change minds or achieve anything political through my rants, I just need to get them out in an environment that is mature enough not to lose minds and possibly friends.   I think you would be shocked were we to meet in real life, the difference in experience to how I communicate in this forum.  My compassion and kindness is fully focused into real life interactions.  Cheers!

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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 6:11am



 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I did say supposedly so I realize some of it is intentional though it is interesting you only mentioned the Republican party completely absolving the Democrats, hmm. Anyway whether intentional or not they are either lying or just incorrect in their overall results of the policy positions, but they are not telling you that you have to make extreme sacrifices for the overall good which brings me to the second point that other than this point we are actually having two different discussions. My point was if demanding sacrifice, demonizing exceptionalism, wealth and capitalism itself is quite blatantly part of your platform and ideology even to the point of declaring billionaires should not exist, you might not want to be a millionaire with three houses, that is really it in a nutshell. Lie to us and tell us the system is great, we can either believe them or not that is our prerogative, but when your message is greed is good you are not being hypocritical living a lavish lifestyle.
As far as the rest and the merits, I am just going to be basic because that is all my cold heart and small brain is capable of:
Regular IncomeTax Rate (now, single filers)Bernie Sanders Tax Rate (future, single filers)Bernie Sanders Tax Rate (Plus Avg. State Tax and other taxes)
$0 to $9,27510%12.20%18.60%
$9,275 to $37,65015%17.20%23.60%
What we will do — what we will do is have a four percent tax on income exempting the first $29,000," he told a cheering crowd. "All right, good. You — you’re better at arithmetic than I am. Because what that means is if you are that average family in the middle who makes $60,000 a year, that means we’re going to tax you on $31,000 at four percent.”
There are a few problems with this proposal:
Is the $29,000 exemption for couples then? What is the exemption, if any, for singles? Is it safe to assume that exemption would be $14,500 (half of what he proposed for families)?
Bernie has said this would be a tax increase, so everyone would pay four percent on everything they make over the threshold he established, although that isn't even very clear. Even with that exemption, that raises taxes on the poor and middle class, the very people Sanders has said he aims to protect.
Not only that but this proposal runs counter intuitive to his $15/hour minimum wage proposal. If he wanted everyone to make, at a minimum, $15/hour or $31,200 a year, even the so-called "working poor" would have their taxes increased.
A single person making $31,200 with an exemption of $14,500 would still have to pay four percent more on $16,700, which is almost $700 a year. That's a lot of money, especially for someone making minimum wage.
At least he is being honest, he is telling low to middle income people that they are going to have to make sacrifices too for the "privilege" of shitty health care for those who did not have it before and shitty healthcare to replace the good albeit expensive health care they currently have if they need. My only point is that if you are a champion for the destitute and unemployed which is really the target market here to lift up, it will require great sacrifice from those that currently work and pay taxes. Optics matter much more when you are a warrior for the forgotten destitute. Dirt floors is obvious slight hyperbole and proverbial, but cmon Bernie you can at least walk the walk. I live an extremely frugal and somewhat more independent than your average bear lifestyle, grow my own food, do not have central heating and air, do not produce hardly any waste through composting and feeding excess to the animals, drive only when essential to my job that is nearby, my wife is stay at home and NEVER (not kidding) leaves the house, we do not have a fancy home, cars, nice furniture or anything new at all, we wear the same clothes for years and generally look like shit, but we are happy. We do not live beyond our means or produce a large carbon footprint. In other words, we walk the walk. All I am saying is that of course all potential leaders should as well, but there is an extra smather of hypocrisy and insolence when your main emphasis is sacrifice for the greater good and rich people are bad as you enjoy the lifestyle of a millionaire with 3 homes. That is really all that I am saying.
As for the specifics as to whether this policy will help the economy overall and be ultimately better than present system, I am not a wonk perhaps Lazy or Miami will eviscerate your points, but that is not where my mind is at with this discussion.
 
Sorry about the weird quote stuff. Bernie is not my favourite of the Democratic field, but not my least favourite, either. And that is in part that I'm not sure he has the ability to develop detailed policies that will minimise unintended effects, or to listen to the policy wonks who can. (as an aside, my main problem with Warren is that she talks like she has it all figured out but really should be saying that she has sound plans for a starting point of the legislative process)

It seems really weird to me that many Americans would rather have a health care system where they continue to pay more and more for less and less coverage while allowing the insurance companies to screw then by denying benefits. It seems to me that one of the things ACA tried to do was to simplify the system so you could get adequate coverage without having to either have a ton of money, a really good job with a good company, or some kind of amazing savvy to wade through the system. But what do I know? I have decent basic health care that is provided to all, and top it up with supplemental insurance that is partially covered by a tax break.

I admire you wanting to live a simple lifestyle. That was one of my goals when I down-sized to my current house (not that my partner always agrees). I haven't paid an electric bill in about 8 years since I installed solar. I do pay for natural gas. House is frickin cold in winter. I do try to minimise my carbon footprint, while living a lifestyle I want. My 20,000 L rainwater tank will probably never pay for itself but I want to do my bit to help the farmers and the environment. I'd grow more of my own food but I'm  a crap gardener. 

But strangely enough, it sounds like you are more willing than I to criticize Saunders, AOC, et al. for their lifestyle choices than I am. I want to change things so everyone is doing more to lower GHG emissions. That doesn't mean everyone does the same things and I am not naive enough to think that the end result will be entirely equitable, but there are huge advantages of scale in working together. 

 

Americans tend to view most things as winners vs. losers. When viewed through this prism, the opposition to nationalized health care becomes somewhat more understandable — even if irrational. Those most ardently opposed speak in terms of what they fear they may lose. They are ok with an inequitable system if they perceive themselves as being among the “winners” in that system.

Add to that the fear of socialism. Dominos falling. If they get nationalized medicine, we will become Venezuela. Again, irrational.



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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 5:34am

tRump is a self-centered lying crook, anyone else would be an improvement. And maybe after being removed from office he’ll be convicted and no longer spewing hate on Fux news.
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