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Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 7:56pm

 steeler wrote:


A couple retired generals doing commentary on CNN essentially made this sound like this was amateur hour militarily. 


From what I've seen the entire operation could be described so.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 7:08pm

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I'm beyond speechless... let's see Trump try and praise this "genius" move.
 
Is his true motivation not just the subjugation of Ukraine but to up the stakes to where other nations are simply forced to engage and begin WW III in order to try and protect the plant to avert a nuclear meltdown?
 
Until this I would never believed that anyone would be capable of such a cowardly attack.



A couple retired generals doing commentary on CNN essentially made this sound like this was amateur hour militarily. 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 6:31pm

 VV wrote:

I'm beyond speechless... let's see Trump try and praise this "genius" move.
 
Is his true motivation not just the subjugation of Ukraine but to up the stakes to where other nations are simply forced to engage and begin WW III in order to try and protect the plant to avert a nuclear meltdown?
 
Until this I would never believed that anyone would be capable of such a cowardly attack.



What more evidence do we need that Putin is fucking insane?
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 6:19pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
I'm beyond speechless... let's see Trump try and praise this "genius" move.
 
Is his true motivation not just the subjugation of Ukraine but to up the stakes to where other nations are simply forced to engage and begin WW III in order to try and protect the plant to avert a nuclear meltdown?
 
Until this I would never believed that anyone would be capable of such a cowardly attack.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 5:11pm

Russian forces shelling Europe's largest nuclear power station
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 3:43pm

Luongo: Opening Salvos Thrown, What Are Putin's Next Steps In Ukraine?

BY TYLER DURDEN THURSDAY, MAR 03, 2022 - 11:30 AM

Authored by Tom Luongo via Gold, Goats, 'n Guns blog,

Last week I wrote that Russian President Vladimir Putin rewrote the rules for the geopolitical game board. A week into his campaign to officially “demilitarize and de-Nazify Ukraine” it’s clear to me that Putin’s ambitions lie far beyond this stated goal.

He will, however, stick to that script until that part of the campaign is complete.


———

Okay, that’s the lay of the land.

So, what are Putin’s real goals? Like I said at the outset, nothing less than breaking the back of Davos and their agents in the US/UK who have tormented Russia for more than a century.

How does he achieve that goal?

Putin is creating incontrovertible facts which his opponents must respond to. Again, he’s setting the operational tempo, like I said last week.

Their counter-moves are insipid and predictable. Ukraine has asked for admission into the EU. The EU is open to this. Georgia is now doing the same thing. Turkey is livid. Hungary is not getting involved.

No one is willing to actually send arms to Ukraine.

What does the EU achieve by adding Ukraine? Do they think because they signed a piece of paper with a person who is de facto not in charge of his country going to change the facts on the ground there?

Do they still think “stroke of the pen, law of the land, kinda cool” matters at this point?

Because if the EU accepts Ukraine into its ranks, then it will be responsible for the next stage of escalation, not Putin. It will then have to figure out how to oust the Russians from their territory.

Last night President Sundowner made the entire US State of the Union about Ukraine. Do they really think a president with an approval rating that is, at best 37%, capable of marshalling the US into fighting a war for Europe against Russia after bankrupting us with NATO for three generations?

If they are, they are more delusional than even I’ve contemplated at this point.

Is NATO prepared to expand now into Ukraine under the umbrella of EU membership?

What’s obvious to me is the neocons and neoliberals controlling the West think they can turn Ukraine into a quagmire for Putin, but what if Putin thinks he can turn Ukraine into a quagmire for them?

Russia is not capable of conquering Europe. But he doesn’t need to to defeat them. He just needs to create a version of the map I posted above.

The Limits of Money Wars

If Putin and Russia have achieved, or are about to achieve, all of their military goals in Ukraine, what do they do to secure those gains?

They have to neutralize the financial war waged against them and create an environment where Europe spends money it doesn’t have, with failing political capital domestically, and bankrupts them completely.


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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 3:19pm


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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 2:54pm

One week into the Russian special operation in the Ukraine – update

42159 Views March 02, 2022 317 Comments

So we are a week in and I think it is time to take short pause and see what happened over the last 7 days.

  • The Russian attack began, as predicted, mostly by strikes with standoff weapons. 24 hour hours later the Ukie air force and navy ceased to exist. In this initial phase, few Ukrainian units were directly engaged.

———- 
So far, that has worked pretty well. But here are the stone cold fact about the Ukie military:

Air Force: gone
Navy: gone
Long range, standoff capabilities: gone
Air defenses: gone
Regular ground forces: no less than 65% (some say up to 80%) of the Ukie military is surrounded and condemned
Assorted Nazi units: I don’t have the figures, but A LOT of them are now either in the Donbass cauldron or in Mariupol. They will mostly not be taken prisoner, except for the leaders who will be tried and sentenced for their innumerable crimes.
So, in terms of the Russian goals, here is how I would score this:

Ukrainian disarmament: mostly already done, the Ukraine has nothing to threaten Russia with
Ukrainian denazification: only at the early start, but conditions are excellent and I am confident that most of the hardcore Nazis will soon be dead
One more thing I forgot to mention about the “no man’s land” west of the Donbass operational cauldron. It is shown in the map below where the black and yellow lines touch (and add about 5-10km on each side)
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 2:04pm

 R_P wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
does this include something valid like basic individual human rights?

Possibly.
 
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 1:09pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
I think my internal resistance to slowly killing the perpetrators of this war is falling by the second. 

The abyss. It stares back.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 1:07pm

 miamizsun wrote:
does this include something valid like basic individual human rights?

Possibly.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 1:03pm

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According to my business partner (born in Russia with family there), Russia is about to impose martial law to stop the demonstrations.  



I realise that is terrible, but something about the way things are developing reminds me so much of 1989 in Germany. When the people starting marching en masse, singing "wir sind das Volk" a lot of us in the west were waiting with baited breath for the military to walk in and start shooting everybody.  Russia seems to have come to the same point in its history. 
People don't generally like being told what to do or think at gunpoint.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:57pm

According to my business partner (born in Russia with family there), Russia is about to impose martial law to stop the demonstrations.  
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:55pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

let me think about this. You, a paid Russian shill, are posting material that suggests the sanctions won't hurt, which of course means the sanctions must be hurting, which means, MORE SANCTIONS! let's hit this privileged elite of robber barons who are screwing over their own country with everything we possibly can.



They are who will - hopefully - take out the little dictator.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:44pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

—-> Follow The Money: How Russia Will Bypass Western Economic Warfare
(A recent anti-West stance by Pepe Escobar, quite demagogic)
- Moscow already linked its SPFS payment system not only to China but also to India and member nations of the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU). SPFS already links to approximately 400 banks. -


Also along that line:
Since 2019 many agreements have also been reached to link SPFS to other countries payment systems in China, India, Iran, as well as the countries within the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) which includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan.


let me think about this. You, a paid Russian shill, are posting material that suggests the sanctions won't hurt, which of course means the sanctions must be hurting, which means, MORE SANCTIONS! let's hit this privileged elite of robber barons who are screwing over their own country with everything we possibly can.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:19pm

 R_P wrote:

It takes moralizing.


I think my internal resistance to slowly killing the perpetrators of this war is falling by the second. 


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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 12:14pm

 R_P wrote:

It takes moralizing.



does this include something valid like basic individual human rights?

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:33am

 miamizsun wrote:
it takes conditioning

It takes moralizing.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:28am

Taking the fight for the hearts and minds of the Russian soldiers
miamizsun

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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 11:22am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
didn't read it yet (the article links to bloomberg?)

not sure how any human being could do that to another human being

how would you condition someone to "execute" such an atrocity?


Humans have been conditioned to commit atrocities for millennia.
 
it takes conditioning
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