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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 10:24am

 Lazy8 wrote:

All too often. And every time we look back on it and see that we could have stopped it earlier with more resolve. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last—I'm hoping we can start drawing the lessons from this that we should have already learned.

As for the present...all I can do is make ready for the refugees. Again.

More important.  When it comes to US foreign policy, transparency and accountability should always be avoided at all costs.

Historical lessons should always be avoided. Treaty of Versailles and WW II?  Watz dat? 

Thankfully the USA and NATO took advantage of Russia's weakness after the implosion the Soviet Union and pushed NATO membership into the Baltic states and other former Warsaw Pact member nations.

Personally, I believe the USA should avoid the "Man of Great Stature" approach to international relations and foreign policy but if the will of the American people is to accelerate US hegemonic decline maybe that points a bright Panglossian future.

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 10:08am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
let's stick to the tragedy unfolding here. There is a distinct feeling of unease that this is not going to stop with Ukraine and that the sanctions imposed so far are going to have the opposite effect to that intended, namely that he'll just laugh at the mamby-pamby soft westerners with their decadent lifestyles as he shows them what a real strong man can do. The man is unhinged. Living in an information bubble fed by the frightened sycophants around him, emboldened by the lack of any real resistance. None of this is good. And yes, haven't we been here before?

All too often. And every time we look back on it and see that we could have stopped it earlier with more resolve. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last—I'm hoping we can start drawing the lessons from this that we should have already learned.

As for the present...all I can do is make ready for the refugees. Again.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 9:31am

Snippet from the end of a report in the NYT, by Michael Schwirtz
No commentary necessary.
c.

"Even as the artillery barrages intensified, not everyone was ready to hide. Walking with intention toward the source of the artillery booms on the outskirts of Kharkiv was Roman Balakelyev, dressed in camouflage, a double-barreled shotgun slung over his shoulder.

“I live here, this is my home. I’m going to defend it,” said Mr. Balakelyev, who also pulled out a large knife he had strapped to his back as if to show it off. “I don’t think the Russians understand me like I understand them.”

A short while later, Mr. Balakelyev reached the edge of the city, where the Ukrainian troops were huddled around the abandoned Russian troop transports. They watched as he passed. No one moved to stop him. One soldier uttered: “Intent on victory.”"




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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 9:12am

some of the separatist groups have neo-nazi backgrounds, and which groups are ok to post about on Facebook while others are not allowed to be discussed. Lots of narrative control going on 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 9:09am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Lol}
 are you aware that you always pick the best examples to present a stunningly strong argument against your own propositions?


Lol, or maybe those fringe people like Alex Jones, naming their website "prison planet", mebbe they were onto something decades ago 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:58am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.
 
Press Freedom Index 2021

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:43am

 Animal-Farm wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.

No different than what occurs if you post on many topics, such as ivermectin, you can get your Facebook suspended for 30 days. Some people have been de-platformed for hundreds of days, right in USA, Canada, Europe.
 
{#Lol} are you aware that you always pick the best examples to present a stunningly strong argument against your own propositions?
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:40am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.



No different than what occurs if you post on many topics, such as ivermectin, you can get your Facebook suspended for 30 days. Some people have been de-platformed for hundreds of days, right in USA, Canada, Europe.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:37am

Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:27am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Well, yes, but they are kind of useful, for you can rest assured that the arguments they tout are meant to divert away from the stuff that really upsets their paymasters.  This whole fear of NATO thing and protecting the geographical borders is actually bullshit. The invading hordes are not on horseback anymore. They come via the internet and with rules-based agreements in their hands.  It's also obvious that geopolitical manoeuvring is not Putin's main reason for the war, as he just opened his entire back door to the Chinese, who will be rubbing their hands in glee. No, Robert Reich is right at least on this one. What Putin is actually afraid of is the spread of liberal democracy. Look at how repressive the reaction was in Belarus. Now Ukraine. Putin knows his days are numbered and he feels like a cornered rat - and he's acting like one.

Wait, Robert Reich is right about something? Who knew? OK, his observations are pretty blindingly obvious....when they don't revert to his usual partisan hackery (his response to rising oil prices: tax oil companies. Yeah, that'll fix it! Wasn't he supposed to be an economist at some point?) but I guess it's useful for those in his bubble. There may yet be some positive consequences from this. Europe may finally take responsibility for its own defense. It may serve as a wake-up call for voters in Poland and Hungary, who have been electing nationalist autocrats recently. If we have the patience and commitment to bear the consequences of isolating Russia after this it may undermine Putin in Russia to the point his crumbling economy finally turns people against him. Don't hold your breath on that last point (Fidel Castro died of old age) but somewhere there is a lamppost with Putin's name on it. I hope it finds him soon.
 
let's stick to the tragedy unfolding here. There is a distinct feeling of unease that this is not going to stop with Ukraine and that the sanctions imposed so far are going to have the opposite effect to that intended, namely that he'll just laugh at the mamby-pamby soft westerners with their decadent lifestyles as he shows them what a real strong man can do. The man is unhinged. Living in an information bubble fed by the frightened sycophants around him, emboldened by the lack of any real resistance. None of this is good. And yes, haven't we been here before?
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:02am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

just got a call out on our local kids group looking for billets for the first bus load of kids from Ukraine.

Putin huilo. I mean srsly. 



i don't know much about this organization however i see people i'm very familiar with donating... (i'm sure they are going to be overwhelmed)

Together against trauma of war

Charitable Foundation Voices of Children helps children affected by the war in eastern Ukraine. Thanks to you, we provide psychological and psychosocial support to children. It helps them overcome the consequences of armed conflict and develop.


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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 7:53am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Well, yes, but they are kind of useful, for you can rest assured that the arguments they tout are meant to divert away from the stuff that really upsets their paymasters. 

This whole fear of NATO thing and protecting the geographical borders is actually bullshit. The invading hordes are not on horseback anymore. They come via the internet and with rules-based agreements in their hands.  It's also obvious that geopolitical manoeuvring is not Putin's main reason for the war, as he just opened his entire back door to the Chinese, who will be rubbing their hands in glee.

No, Robert Reich is right at least on this one. What Putin is actually afraid of is the spread of liberal democracy. Look at how repressive the reaction was in Belarus. Now Ukraine. Putin knows his days are numbered and he feels like a cornered rat - and he's acting like one.

Wait, Robert Reich is right about something? Who knew?

OK, his observations are pretty blindingly obvious....when they don't revert to his usual partisan hackery (his response to rising oil prices: tax oil companies. Yeah, that'll fix it! Wasn't he supposed to be an economist at some point?) but I guess it's useful for those in his bubble.

There may yet be some positive consequences from this. Europe may finally take responsibility for its own defense. It may serve as a wake-up call for voters in Poland and Hungary, who have been electing nationalist autocrats recently. If we have the patience and commitment to bear the consequences of isolating Russia after this it may undermine Putin in Russia to the point his crumbling economy finally turns people against him.

Don't hold your breath on that last point (Fidel Castro died of old age) but somewhere there is a lamppost with Putin's name on it. I hope it finds him soon.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 7:53am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

just got a call out on our local kids group looking for billets for the first bus load of kids from Ukraine.

Putin huilo. I mean srsly. 




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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 7:52am

 black321 wrote:

Sure, that seems to be the narrative...backwards thinking ideology - MEAGA!
But the west is unwilling to do the one thing that might actually hurt Russia: stop buying their oil.
Because why? Can't get our other "allies" like Saudi Arabia to pump more? Maybe work out a deal with Venezuela? Pump more domestic, or still need to push through the progressive narrative of fossil fuels are evil? 
Seems weak we can't make that type of sacrifice.
 
Agree completely. 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 7:15am

 miamizsun wrote:


coffee thoughts

in the US we have misused liberal and conservative labels out of convenience

there are generally liberal and conservative people, but we shouldn't conflate them with dogmatic radicals on the far right and far left

those radicals (far left and far right) certainly aren't liberal or conservative, they're two sides of the same authoritarian coin

liberal values, which are essentially basic human rights, are at a stark difference with extremists endorsing violence

the challenge with some of the poor reasoning and logic of the post modern believers is there isn't an objective truth

especially when attempting to justify bad behavior and their unprovoked aggression you'll frequently hear loaded emotional phrases like my lived experience, standing in my truth, etc.

when definitions are comprised, language is up for grabs and objective reality gets distorted (reality is what we say it is type of thought)

spooky mysticism begets distorted epistemology resulting in societal chaos and it is all up for a power grab

bottom line: it is all about power, who has it, wields it and forces it on the masses to comply with whatever they think society should be

power, forcefully ruling over other humans it is the only thing they know

regards

Keep thinking the good thoughts...maybe one day.

100 years ago, most populations put more faith in the state, relative to the individual.
The liberal view has shifted that, with the individual overriding the state.
Some of that is good, some not so much, 
to your point of standing in my own truth and imposing upon others...postmodernism relativism.



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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 7:14am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Well, yes, but they are kind of useful, for you can rest assured that the arguments they tout are meant to divert away from the stuff that really upsets their paymasters. 

This whole fear of NATO thing and protecting the geographical borders is actually bullshit. The invading hordes are not on horseback anymore. They come via the internet and with rules-based agreements in their hands.  It's also obvious that geopolitical manoeuvring is not Putin's main reason for the war, as he just opened his entire back door to the Chinese, who will be rubbing their hands in glee.

No, Robert Reich is right at least on this one. What Putin is actually afraid of is the spread of liberal democracy. Look at how repressive the reaction was in Belarus. Now Ukraine. Putin knows his days are numbered and he feels like a cornered rat - and he's acting like one.


Sure, that seems to be the narrative...backwards thinking ideology - MEAGA!
But the west is unwilling to do the one thing that might actually hurt Russia: stop buying their oil.
Because why? Can't get our other "allies" like Saudi Arabia to pump more? Maybe work out a deal with Venezuela? Pump more domestic, or still need to push through the progressive narrative of fossil fuels are evil? 
Seems weak we can't make that type of sacrifice.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 7:10am

just got a call out on our local kids group looking for billets for the first bus load of kids from Ukraine.

Putin huilo. I mean srsly. 
miamizsun

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 5:30am

 black321 wrote:
 Hmm, MEAGA? (MakeEurAsiaGreatAgain).
Backwards looking, trying and maybe successfully unwinding global progress...though he is right in some cases, like how far gone today's liberals are.  ps., glad you  are safe and hopefully things settle down.
 

coffee thoughts

in the US we have misused liberal and conservative labels out of convenience

there are generally liberal and conservative people, but we shouldn't conflate them with dogmatic radicals on the far right and far left

those radicals (far left and far right) certainly aren't liberal or conservative, they're two sides of the same authoritarian coin

liberal values, which are essentially basic human rights, are at a stark difference with extremists endorsing violence

the challenge with some of the poor reasoning and logic of the post modern believers is there isn't an objective truth

especially when attempting to justify bad behavior and their unprovoked aggression you'll frequently hear loaded emotional phrases like my lived experience, standing in my truth, etc.

when definitions are comprised, language is up for grabs and objective reality gets distorted (reality is what we say it is type of thought)

spooky mysticism begets distorted epistemology resulting in societal chaos and it is all up for a power grab

bottom line: it is all about power, who has it, wields it and forces it on the masses to comply with whatever they think society should be

power, forcefully ruling over other humans it is the only thing they know

regards
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 4:16am

 deltaindia wrote:

Hi. I am ok. Tomorrow maybe I can describe the situation.  All is very hard(( Thank you for your support.



good luck 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 2:34am

Edit: (link seems broken) but there was an announcement that citizens in Kharkiv should shelter in basements

deltaindia could do with some good juju right now.

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