The number is tiny so it shouldn't hurt much. Its like Richard likes to say, heart disease. Now let's apply the heart disease thing to school shootings, eh ?
You rang?
Again, for truth's sake, I mentioned heart disease (the number one killer of Americans) as a response to your claim/advice that the March for Our Lives kids should really be protesting against texting-while-driving because that, according to you, kills more of them. A red herring among other things.
It was your claim that the focus should be on the biggest problem* (which isn't actually the biggest problem). It's not my claim. Crimes by illegal immigrants or particular car accidents don't match that claim either, so why are you not taking your own advice?
Answer: your arguments are based on personal experience and emotion, not logic or reason.
You've apparently internalized this crime, and it has affected your perspective. But the facts don't match you feelings. 57% of rapes are committed by white men (Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010 (2013).). 50% are age 30+ and 70% are known to the victim.
So how many older white men are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel secure? See? This kind of thinking just doesn't get you anywhere. It's clear you have all kinds of issues with (some) immigrants, but the reality is that as a whole, they contribute more than they cost and they make our society better on balance.
No doctor, I haven't. I just have a problem with illegal immigration. It's like parenting, someone has to say no to their child, else they get the wrong idea about what is okay and what isn't.
So if 57% of rape is committed by white men and with for the sake of conversation the genders are evenly divided (although that is not as certain since we now have more than two genders) then the other 43% of rapes are committed by non white men. With white men comprising 77% of the population, that means that the remaining 23% of the male population is committing 43% of the rapes. That is a hugely disproportionate number, eh ? So by your reasoning that makes white men as a whole, vastly less likely to commit rape, period.
Or in simple terms, a quarter of the population is committing almost half of all rapes. So for every white man we sacrifice, we must sacrifice 3 non white men to keep things even. We'll sacrifice 2 white men to 3 non white men every other Sunday to to keep things closer to even.
I just love picking apart arguments based upon percentages, they are so misleading as are people who rely on them.
So again, how many Americans are you willing to sacrifice to crime committed by illegals ? 1 per day ? 2 per day or maybe 10 ? Just one per day is 365 per year and I'm sure that number is very low, but you'd be okay with that ? And that would be just dead Americans due to being shot or killed in a vehicular accident, with a drunk or sober driver, not including rape, robbery or assault.
So 365 is what % of 330,000,000 ? I'm sure by your reckoning that is an acceptable percentage, right ? Tell that percentage's family members to suck it up, because you're okay with it. The number is tiny so it shouldn't hurt much. Its like Richard likes to say, heart disease. Now let's apply the heart disease thing to school shootings, eh ?
Oh, and it sure would be nice to actually be able to track who is legal and who is not so we can have accurate and factual discussions. But as long as we have outlaw sanctuary cities, counties and states, these numbers will never be known, thus depriving us a conversation based upon facts. We can't even ask. Not even in the Census. But that is the goal, no facts, just emotions ...
You've apparently internalized this crime, and it has affected your perspective. But the facts don't match you feelings. 57% of rapes are committed by white men (Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010 (2013).). 50% are age 30+ and 70% are known to the victim.
So how many older white men are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel secure? See? This kind of thinking just doesn't get you anywhere. It's clear you have all kinds of issues with (some) immigrants, but the reality is that as a whole, they contribute more than they cost and they make our society better on balance.
Zero, they are already under imminent threat!!11!1
Now it's criminality, at other times it's "preserving our culture/heritage, whatevah". Uhuh...
What I find interesting is that those opposed to illegal immigration and sanctuary cities have not brought up this subject anytime recently in any thread even though there is plenty of reasons to do so with recent events.
Now in both this thread and the Trump thread the subject has been brought up by those who apparently support illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.
Make all the jokes you like. What do have to say to someone who has had a family member either raped or killed by an illegal ?
Eh ? I'm really sick of this crap. Yeah tell me, right now. I have an immediate family member who was raped by an illegal.
Tell me how you're sorry without saying but or however or say she was dressed inappropriately and had it coming or whatever you might say to excuse this.
As long as it doesn't happen to somebody you know, its ok, right ? Right ?
How many more innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside ?
You've apparently internalized this crime, and it has affected your perspective. But the facts don't match you feelings. 57% of rapes are committed by white men (Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010 (2013).). 50% are age 30+ and 70% are known to the victim.
So how many older white men are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel secure? See? This kind of thinking just doesn't get you anywhere. It's clear you have all kinds of issues with (some) immigrants, but the reality is that as a whole, they contribute more than they cost and they make our society better on balance.
But enough of them are to be legitimately concerned and say that things have gone too far with the open borders and sanctuary cities and that they must be stopped.
So with legitimate concern, it's fair to move forward and say that something is wrong and must be addressed?
What I find interesting is that those opposed to illegal immigration and sanctuary cities have not brought up this subject anytime recently in any thread even though there is plenty of reasons to do so with recent events.
Now in both this thread and the Trump thread the subject has been brought up by those who apparently support illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.
I've raised this issue before. This is probably the 4th time over the past 10 years I have mentioned this rape here and in this very thread, no doubt. Every once in awhile it just boils up inside and must come out.
But the real issue is preventable crime, which I have also mentioned before. Crime committed by illegal immigrants is preventable.
The issue of sanctuary cities is bringing this issue front and center once again. If you are in favor of sanctuary cities as presently being enacted and enforced now in California, you also have no problem with the preventable crimes that result directly from these policy decisions. You cannot have it both ways. These sanctuary cities are magnets for illegal immigrants and by their very nature foster the very crimes they allegedly claim to prevent. Sanctuary cities encourage people to cross the border illegally, bypassing our legal immigration system.
No rational person is saying that immigrants by nature are criminals or have criminal intent. Nor are they saying that all illegal immigrants are criminals. But enough of them are to be legitimately concerned and say that things have gone too far with the open borders and sanctuary cities and that they must be stopped.
So here are some faces of the innocent Americans that all you open border, sanctuary city supporters are causing harm to with your feel good desires.
Make all the jokes you like. What do have to say to someone who has had a family member either raped or killed by an illegal ?
Eh ? I'm really sick of this crap. Yeah tell me, right now. I have an immediate family member who was raped by an illegal.
Tell me how you're sorry without saying but or however or say she was dressed inappropriately and had it coming or whatever you might say to excuse this.
As long as it doesn't happen to somebody you know, its ok, right ? Right ?
How many more innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside ?
You're extrapolating from one data point: a relative was raped by an illegal immigrant, so illegal immigrants are rapists.
Your relative was raped by (presumably) a man. Are all men rapists? Should we round them all up and deport them all?
Wouldn't it have saved a lot of trouble if someone from the rapist's community (the people who knew him best, who he may have done this to as well) were willing to drop a dime on him, maybe even testify against him? But they didn't, at least in part because they were afraid that if they approached the legal system they'd be deported.
Because they're all rapists too, right?
If you're worried about crime make it easier to catch and prosecute criminals. It doesn't sound like fear of crime is the real motivation here.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Apr 4, 2018 - 8:27pm
kurtster wrote:
Make all the jokes you like. What do have to say to someone who has had a family member either raped or killed by an illegal ?
Eh ? I'm really sick of this crap. Yeah tell me, right now. I have an immediate family member who was raped by an illegal.
Tell me how you're sorry without saying but or however or say she was dressed inappropriately and had it coming or whatever you might say to excuse this.
As long as it doesn't happen to somebody you know, its ok, right ? Right ?
How many more innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside ?
Well, I was offering that comment tongue-in-cheek because I thought you were saying that these migrants were not seeking asylum, but were trying to get to US for economic reason. Now, I will say that crimes, including rapes, are committed in America by citizens, illegal immigrants,tourists; all kind of group classifications. No one is excusing the crimes.
Caravan organizer Georgina Dearivo told Guatemalan outlet República that the major motivating factors for participants were fleeing political and military violence, as well as the ever-present threat of gang violence in their home countries. In a 3 April 2018 press release, the Latin American Working Group (a nonprofit organization dedicated to Latin American issues) provided further context for these regularly occurring events, the intention of which is to highlight the broader issue of migrant’s rights, as well as the more specific incidence of increasing political repression in Honduras:
The latest caravan organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras
Make all the jokes you like. What do have to say to someone who has had a family member either raped or killed by an illegal ?
Eh ? I'm really sick of this crap. Yeah tell me, right now. I have an immediate family member who was raped by an illegal.
Tell me how you're sorry without saying but or however or say she was dressed inappropriately and had it coming or whatever you might say to excuse this.
As long as it doesn't happen to somebody you know, its ok, right ? Right ?
How many more innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside ?
They obviously want to get to the United States so they can commit crimes!
Make all the jokes you like. What do have to say to someone who has had a family member either raped or killed by an illegal ?
Eh ? I'm really sick of this crap. Yeah tell me, right now. I have an immediate family member who was raped by an illegal.
Tell me how you're sorry without saying but or however or say she was dressed inappropriately and had it coming or whatever you might say to excuse this.
As long as it doesn't happen to somebody you know, its ok, right ? Right ?
How many more innocent Americans are you willing to sacrifice so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside ?
