The crisis on the border was created and engineered by Obama.  We know that based upon a government job posting in January requesting transportation services of the type now being used with an anticipated demand for some 60,000 women and children.

There are reports of 300,000 still on their way to our southern border as a result of Obama's advertising of "refugee" status for those who make it.  He is not going to deport anyone.  Once again Obama is hiding behind Congress saying he can do nothing about it, in direct conflict with his threats of bypassing a do nothing Congress with his "phone and pen" which he has done so much of already that the SCOTUS has just rejected another of his phony pen actions.  The author of the law Obama is hiding behind, Sen Feinstein, has said that it is indeed within Obama's executive powers to intercede at the border.  Obama has now pissed off the California Senator twice in as many months.

Obama has opened up our border to an invasion and is not doing one GD thing about it.  Let's remember that 150,000 men participated in the D - Day Invasion.  He has no clue how to stop it, if he even wanted to. He's going to Texas for a couple of days to party, yet will not go to the border to witness this humanitarian crisis because of the bad "optics" it would create.  'Scuse me, he is already backing away for calling it a crisis and now referring to it as a humanitarian 'situation'.

But now the UN is on his back to declare these invaders "refugees" and grant them permanent status.  Will Obama cowtow to the UN or defend our borders ?  My money is on the UN.  This will become further proof of his efforts to destroy this nation, the rule of law and our Constitution.

A nation without borders is not a nation ... Reagan.

 DaveInVA wrote: 
If Obama doesn't want any fences on the border he should start
by tearing down the one around the White House first to set a good example.

Medical staff warned: Keep your mouths shut about illegal immigrants or face arrest

Bribery At Border Worries Officials

 islander wrote: 
One day you will perhaps achieve my perfection and all knowing ways.

 bokey wrote: 
You're plenty smart to hold your own in a debate, you just need a more defensible position.  We really are in agreement on the basics, I just wasn't willing to let your original statement go unchallenged (good thing I've never spouted anything half thought out after a bad morning - ivory tower and all...) 

 islander wrote: 
Final comment, because I know that you're way smarter than me and the only way I could win an argument with you would be by being so snarky about things that you'd get disgusted and give up, and I don't consider that a win nor am I seeking one.

Like I said, I'm having a crappy day and could have stated my opinions differently.

I'll sum it up-
1-I am 100% behind legal immigration and feel that anyone from any country has a right to become an American citizen
2-I am 100% against illegal immigration and crime in general, especially when it affects me.

 bokey wrote: 
Fair enough. I agree there is a problem. We're a pretty great country with a lot of resources, I think we can come up with a better solution than we have now, and keep it well short of stooping to the lower standard of the countries these people are fleeing for a better life. I don't think we want to keep people away by making things worse here than the desperate situations they are fleeing.

Edit:  And hope your day picks up.

 bokey wrote: 
Okay, I'm privileged. So are you - you won the dartboard lottery by falling out of your mother's loins on this side of the border.

I've spent a lot of time out of this country in some places with substantially different standards than we have. I've come to understand how a lot of those people see the world. My views aren't just from an ivory tower (although my travels through South America have always had a passport safety net and a network of embassies to fall back on). 

I think we need stronger border rules and a better policy on immigration. Although somewhat problematic, I don't think the people busting their asses working in standards below ours to support their families are 'draining our economy' - and certainly not even close to the lowest hanging fruit on the tree (but maybe the easiest target for people who are insecure).

I still say your slightly revised statement of wanting to kill people for crossing a property boundary is lame, narrow minded, and un-American.

I think you're an okay guy too, but this line of thought is below you. 

 islander wrote: 
Again- I did not mean to imply they should be shot on site. Lock them up first and give them time to explain themselves. If you can't produce a legal ID in a week, it's pretty clear you don't have one.

 Look, I woke up in a crappy mood, picked up todays(Or I asume last nights) beer cans from out front, went to get my Pops lunch, stepped around a crappy diaper in a parking lot in what used to be Mayberry, then watched some guy hold one of his nostrils shut while expelling mucous on a public sidewalk.

 So I'm not at my best right now and would like to drop it.

Sorry if I offended you, but this is a problem that needs to be resolved.

There are established legal and social means to join a society/country.

 bokey wrote: 
responding to the edit:

We have a fair immigrant population here as well. We also have our share of issues and problems associated with lower income areas.  Like where you are I'm sure there is a fair amount of overlap in these two populations and some level of correlation.  

I'm still not willing to give up the systems that make this country great and resort to demanding papers and shooting people on site without due process for crossing a property line without permission.  

I like you, but this line of thought you tossed out is ugly, and frankly un-American. 

 islander wrote: 
I didn't mean on site. I meant after being given a week or so to come up with documentation.
 I don't live a privileged life like you. I see things differently.
edit-And I don't think you're a bad guy, just a little naive.

 bokey wrote: 
Sorry I mis-spoke, I meant common law. I still think that your idea of executing people on site without due process over basic violations and a demand for papers is reprehensible, bigoted, narrow minded, and below the standards of our country and you as an individual.

 islander wrote: 
If you think illegally entering a country is a civil violation, I'm not voting for you.
edit- And if you think working illegally under the table, taking American jobs and sending the $$ to South America isn't a drain on our economy, I want to live where you do.

I guess after witnessing enough public urination, sex, people throwing dirty diapers in parking lots, spitting on sidewalks, throwing Modela cans in my yard, etc. you'd sing a different tune.
Get much of that in the PNW do ya?

OK-out of sight, out of mind.
It clearly isn't a problem

Kumbaya.

 islander wrote: 
hey let's make up some silly rules and imaginary lines like d h s

 bokey wrote: 
So we're now a papers on demand country?  No trials or due process?  How will we select the people we 'card'?

And how exactly will this put "millions/billions" of dollars back into the economy?  Does killing people for civil violations create value somehow?

That's a pretty reprehensible train of thought you are on there.

No green card? No valid US citizens ID? You're a criminal.

 No trial. No INS deportation hearing. Just plain ol'

And watch the repetitious problem  cease to continue once the message is clear.
 How many millions/billions of $$$ will that put back into the American economy?

Sessions On ICE Lawsuit Against Admin: Agents’ Jobs Under Threat For Upholding Law, Protecting Public

Thursday, August 23, 2012

 DHS Sec. Napolitano being sued over an executive fiat ...

“The Obama administration makes it impossible for ICE agents to do their jobs,” said House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) in a statement issued along with fellow Texas Republicans Reps. John Carter and Louie Gohmert.
 
“Instead of enforcing the law, the Obama administration requires ICE agents to release illegal immigrants,” Smith said.
 
Congressional Democrats have ferociously defended the administration’s move, calling it a key step towards fixing a broken immigration system that penalizes many young people who were brought into the United States illegally by their parents.
 
The announcement by Napolitano was made in June and bypasses Congress in the face of stalled efforts to pass a bill with similar provisions. For several years, Republicans have blocked the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act, saying that it provides “amnesty” to illegal immigrants and could threaten to take away the jobs of U.S. citizens.