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haresfur

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 5:33pm



 kurtster wrote:

Let me use more concise language.

... vis a vis your party's leadership, hates America as it was founded so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

there.
/out
 
I for one am happy they changed the definitions to include women, black people, asians, as people/citizens/voters/whatever.

ETA: people that were excluded by America as it was founded


Doesn't look like the changed language doesn't take anything away from anyone but simply better reflects those changes, from what I've seen. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

As for the prayer thing, sounds like an attempt at a little levity that really isn't a BFD.

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 4:10pm

 kcar wrote:
But I was kidding. I'm quite confident that Kurt does not hate America. He holds opinions that might make Archie Bunker blanch, but he loves America.

All proto-fascists are super-patriots, while their enemies hate...


kcar

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 3:43pm

Gotta wade in here briefly:

I've asked Kurt a number of times "Why do you hate America so much?" in this forum as a tease. Typically I follow the question with this emoji



to indicate that I'm kidding. In my last use of that question I didn't include the emoji by accident.

But I was kidding. I'm quite confident that Kurt does not hate America. He holds opinions that might make Archie Bunker blanch, but he loves America.

I saw a lot of that "why do you hate America" question years and years ago in Yahoo's forum before it got shut down. Generally, conservative posters directed it at liberal posters. The question AFAICT was meant to throw someone off the straight and narrow of arguing a point. It wasn't asked seriously. It implies that the person who got asked that question was really out to lunch.

Unfortunately politics are so polarized now that many Americans do think that the opposition DOES hate America. 

What troubles me more than conservative opinions is the willingness of some conservative people to believe and say things that have little to no basis in facts or reality. QAnon and the belief that Biden stole the election are examples coming to mind. You never got back from lunch if you believe that sort of stuff.

It's even worse when you have someone like Ted Cruz—very well educated and experienced in legal matters—go along with Trump's fantasies, EVEN THOUGH they know that the fantasies are BS.

That kind of behavior shows a disregard or even hatred of our national political community and institutions. People like Cruz know they're spouting destructive lies for their own gain but apparently think that the political institutions and public faith in them are strong enough to withstand the damage. But people like Cruz are wrong. They are corrupt, amoral opportunists of the worst kind.


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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 1:25pm

 black321 wrote:
I can an understand that conservatives have a problem with "change."
 
Certainly the social conservatives...

MAGA! KAG!
rgio

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 1:04pm



 kurtster wrote:

Let me use more concise language.

... vis a vis your party's leadership, hates America as it was founded so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

there.
/out
 
Kurt, Until you agree that Trumps calls to Georgia to "find 11,860 votes" was wrong and that his suggestion that Congress not accept the certified vote from each state is contrary to the Constitution, NOTHING you write about patriotism, original intent, the Constitution, our founders, or rule of law can be taken seriously.  Trump is attempting to violate the Constitution by anyone's definition.

You can whine all you want about the deep state stealing the election....but you can't support unconstitutional actions in the name of the republic.  It doesn't work that way.

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 12:57pm

 kultster the patriot wrote:
Let me use more concise language.

... vis a vis your party's leadership, hates America as it was founded so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

there.
/out
 
Moving the Goalposts
pigtail

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 12:26pm



 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
So this is where your party is taking the country ?

One of your rep's who led the prayer for the opening of the new Congress closed it by saying, "Amen and a woman" ?

This is what the public schools are turning out ?  WTF, over.  How totally clueless and such a blatant attempt at divisiveness.  This is right up there in stupidity with the gentleman who warned us that the island of Guam would tip over.  

And your leader, Ms Pelosi is banning the use of the terms "Mother" and "Father" among other similar terms on the floor ?  The only place in this country where elected members can lie and slander anyone and anything without legal consequences as long as they are saying it on the House floor ?  

What just happened to the 1st Amendment ?  Now our elected representatives can no longer speak and debate unless they use certain politically correct terms as approved by the Democratic Party ?  Bullshit.
 

This bothers you, but Trump’s 62-minute call to Raffensperger, the GA Secretary of State, trying to get him to “recalculate” the November 3 election results and “find” an addition 11,780 Trump votes does not?
 
Right?  Fascinating!   I ask of both parties......WTF are they doing praying in CONGRESS in the first place??????????

steeler

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 12:19pm



 kurtster wrote:
So this is where your party is taking the country ?

One of your rep's who led the prayer for the opening of the new Congress closed it by saying, "Amen and a woman" ?

This is what the public schools are turning out ?  WTF, over.  How totally clueless and such a blatant attempt at divisiveness.  This is right up there in stupidity with the gentleman who warned us that the island of Guam would tip over.  

And your leader, Ms Pelosi is banning the use of the terms "Mother" and "Father" among other similar terms on the floor ?  The only place in this country where elected members can lie and slander anyone and anything without legal consequences as long as they are saying it on the House floor ?  

What just happened to the 1st Amendment ?  Now our elected representatives can no longer speak and debate unless they use certain politically correct terms as approved by the Democratic Party ?  Bullshit.
 

This bothers you, but Trump’s 62-minute call to Raffensperger, the GA Secretary of State, trying to get him to “recalculate” the November 3 election results and “find” an addition 11,780 Trump votes does not?
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 12:09pm

 buddy wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

I would say you, vis a vis your party, hates America so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.
 

I normally wouldn't reply to anything from you.  But to say the Democratic Party 'hates America' is beyond the pale.  
/out 
 
Let me use more concise language.

... vis a vis your party's leadership, hates America as it was founded so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

there.
/out
black321

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 10:44am



 kurtster wrote:

I would say you, vis a vis your party, hates America so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

Where is the offense so bad that these changes are necessary ?  Why cannot we be adults and use the common vernacular as found in the dictionary for discourse ?

Seaman is both an occupation and a grade in the Navy.  Seafarer is neither.  For one example, since you used it.  We need these distinctions to make and keep language clearer and more meaningful.

And what about the first part of my post regarding the prayer closing ?  That imo, is beyond comprehension.  Dishonest and truly offensive in intent.
 

I too first thought this might be silly, but changing the "official" language and not banning gender language is key. 
It may seem silly, like complaints about historical confederate statues 30 y.a., 
but as noted, the intent is to change, create a more inclusive environment, which is positive.
I can an understand that conservatives have a problem with "change."
kcar

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 10:23am

Kurt, if you want to get your knickers in a twist, why don't you read up on how many people in the US have died of Covid-19. Something like 350,000 now I believe...
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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 1:50am

 kurtster wrote:
That imo, is beyond comprehension.  Dishonest and truly offensive in intent.
It is what it is. 💤

kcar

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 1:46am



 kurtster wrote:

I would say you, vis a vis your party, hates America so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

Where is the offense so bad that these changes are necessary ?  Why cannot we be adults and use the common vernacular as found in the dictionary for discourse ?

Seaman is both an occupation and a grade in the Navy.  Seafarer is neither.  For one example, since you used it.  We need these distinctions to make and keep language clearer and more meaningful.

And what about the first part of my post regarding the prayer closing ?  That imo, is beyond comprehension.  Dishonest and truly offensive in intent.
 

Again: 

The rule change does not ban the use of gendered language in the House. Instead, it renames specific, official language found in the House rules.

The bill is meant to help people feel more included and respected. AFAICT you've never made a serious effort to understand the viewpoints of people who feel that society has ignored or marginalized them—apart from people who look like you.

That still astounds me because much of your support for Trump is based on a perception that Washington and connected elites have ignored and marginalized you. I'm so sorry but you and your group are not alone in feeling downtrodden.

The bill is a bit silly. I doubt it'll change much of anything. You should look again at R_P's post where he quoted you. 

I missed the part of your post about a prayer closing. I'm not gonna look for it. You should help your health and embrace the Serenity Prayer. 
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 12:58am

 kcar wrote:
Kurt, 

Why do you hate America so much?
 
I would say you, vis a vis your party, hates America so much that it must change the language and definitions in order to make it more acceptable.

Where is the offense so bad that these changes are necessary ?  Why cannot we be adults and use the common vernacular as found in the dictionary for discourse ?

Seaman is both an occupation and a grade in the Navy.  Seafarer is neither.  For one example, since you used it.  We need these distinctions to make and keep language clearer and more meaningful.

And what about the first part of my post regarding the prayer closing ?  That imo, is beyond comprehension.  Dishonest and truly offensive in intent.
kcar

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Posted: Jan 4, 2021 - 11:16pm



 kurtster wrote:
So this is where your party is taking the country ?

One of your rep's who led the prayer for the opening of the new Congress closed it by saying, "Amen and a woman" ?

This is what the public schools are turning out ?  WTF, over.  How totally clueless and such a blatant attempt at divisiveness.  This is right up there in stupidity with the gentleman who warned us that the island of Guam would tip over.  

And your leader, Ms Pelosi is banning the use of the terms "Mother" and "Father" among other similar terms on the floor ?  The only place in this country where elected members can lie and slander anyone and anything without legal consequences as long as they are saying it on the House floor ?  

What just happened to the 1st Amendment ?  Now our elected representatives can no longer speak and debate unless they use certain politically correct terms as approved by the Democratic Party ?  Bullshit.
 

Kurt, 

Why do you hate America so much?

No more ‘he’ or ‘she’. House approves gender-neutral terms in its official language





The rule change does not ban the use of gendered language in the House. Instead, it renames specific, official language found in the House rules.

Here are the words found in variousparts of the code will change:

▪ The term seamen will be replaced with seafarers.

▪ Chairman will become chair.

▪ Terms for familial relationships — such as mother, father, daughter, son, sister and brother — will be swapped with terms such as parent, child and sibling.

▪ The phrase “submit his or her resignation” will be replaced with “resign.”

▪ The phrases “he or she serves” and “he or she holds” will be replaced with ‘‘such Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner” serves or holds, respectively.


...

In addition to the gender-neutral language, the package includes whistleblower protections, removes floor privileges from former lawmakers “convicted of crimes related to their House service or election” and makes permanent the Office of Diversity and Inclusion.

“Through months of consultation across our caucus and Congress, we have developed a rules package that makes the People’s House more accountable and responsive to all Americans,” Pelosi wrote in the statement.




R_P

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Posted: Jan 4, 2021 - 11:13pm

 Kultur warrior wrote:
So this is where your party is taking the country ?

One of your rep's who led the prayer for the opening of the new Congress closed it by saying, "Amen and a woman" ?

This is what the public schools are turning out ?  WTF, over.  How totally clueless and such a blatant attempt at divisiveness.  This is right up there in stupidity with the gentleman who warned us that the island of Guam would tip over.  

And your leader, Ms Pelosi is banning the use of the terms "Mother" and "Father" among other similar terms on the floor ?  The only place in this country where elected members can lie and slander anyone and anything without legal consequences as long as they are saying it on the House floor ?  

What just happened to the 1st Amendment ?  Now our elected representatives can no longer speak and debate unless they use certain politically correct terms as approved by the Democratic Party ?  Bullshit.
 
The answer
to all your questions...
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 4, 2021 - 10:52pm

So this is where your party is taking the country ?

One of your rep's who led the prayer for the opening of the new Congress closed it by saying, "Amen and a woman" ?

This is what the public schools are turning out ?  WTF, over.  How totally clueless and such a blatant attempt at divisiveness.  This is right up there in stupidity with the gentleman who warned us that the island of Guam would tip over.  

And your leader, Ms Pelosi is banning the use of the terms "Mother" and "Father" among other similar terms on the floor ?  The only place in this country where elected members can lie and slander anyone and anything without legal consequences as long as they are saying it on the House floor ?  

What just happened to the 1st Amendment ?  Now our elected representatives can no longer speak and debate unless they use certain politically correct terms as approved by the Democratic Party ?  Bullshit.
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Posted: Dec 8, 2020 - 2:22pm

Listen. In my informed, esteemed opinion, never before has it been a better time to get drunk and run through the streets naked.  (With a mask on, of course.)  

Never before has it been a better time to have orgies while consuming copious amounts of hallucinogenic drugs (in private homes).

"Happy Holidays" is so lame.  Merry Christmas is just fine. 

So is Happy Solstice!  Then if people look at you like you are animist, then, well, my only thought is... what took so long?  
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Posted: Dec 8, 2020 - 12:53pm

 kurtster wrote:
We can make an exception for May Day to keep Richard happy.

Great! We'll let you have April 20th. 
kurtster

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Posted: Dec 8, 2020 - 12:47pm

 rgio wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

All this crap has really got me to the point where I just wish that we didn't have any holidays anymore.  Someone is always going to be offended no matter what and I'm tired of hearing all the bitching.

Just go to work and go home, rinse and repeat.  No more joy or happiness allowed.  No more celebrations of anything.

Everyone is equally miserable.  That is the goal of the party.  They are well on their way to achieving that.  Cancel, cancel, cancel ...
 
So, Kurt, you appreciate that somehow one idiot in Minnesota complaining begets 2 tellings of the story that has you blaming the Democratic party for canceling Christmas.  Do you think...just maybe...you would have been better off just leaving it alone and going about your own holiday celebrations? 

Who cares what others think about your way of celebrating?  Sure, if it includes direct images or language of hate, maybe you should re-think it, but if you're merely putting up Christmas lights as your way to make your place look a bit more special during this shit-storm of a year,  who TF cares?

Blaming the Democrats only reinforces the hate, and I know that's not your intention for the holidays.

 
This is not a recent thought on my part.  This is just a little last straw that broke this camel's back.  Not just Christmas, all holidays.  The 4th of July offends people.

I blame the Identity / Cancel culture for this.  If one person is offended, we must all yield to that one.  Disagree, step out of line, you're cancelled.  I'm tired of it all.  And which party are these the creations of ?

Let's just roll over and give them all up.  No one will be offended by a holiday that celebrates something at the expense of someone else's personal happiness.

We can make an exception for May Day to keep Richard happy.  {#Arrowd}
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