Kurt, this sentence is about the only thing of interest to me from your long post.
"I insist on making the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. No one else here does and refuse to this very day to make that distinction."
I disagree with you here. Some of us (Lazy8, IIRC) don't believe in immigration restrictions. I do, but I think that there should be a path to citizenship—even a roundabout one, perhaps, involving sending people out of the country but allowing them more consideration if they've been peaceful and constructive while in the US.
No one wants to argue with you about who is purer to beliefs or ideology or national interests. It's boring and pointless. HOWEVER:
You have a positive vision about America, a notion as to how things should work and what government should (and shouldn't) do. Why not share them and see if we can start a constructive exchange of ideas. We're not always going to agree with each other but at least we'll have a better idea about where the other person is coming from. At the very least, it'd be nice to stop exchanging insults.
another impossibly muddled post that mangles the editor on reply.
Not that it matters, because it's not worth the bother.
I'm not normally a fan of the cut and paste, but someone already said it better, so:
islander wrote to kurtster:
Why don't you stop trying to be something you're not. Go out in the world and help someone or something else. The world is about more than you. If you experience it that way, you may feel less attacked by all that happens every day.
kurtster, a line from your post below: You could not be more wrong. I insist on making the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. No one else here does and refuse to this very day to make that distinction.
You have made this point before.
OK, I'll bite. What is your distinction between legal & illegal immigrants? I don't believe I have ever heard you articulate it. If you insist that you hold a clear distinction, please clarify what that is or stop holding this up as a valid talking point. Even a link to a previous post where this was clarified would work. Otherwise, you would fall into the other bucket of the "others" who refuse to make that distinction.
Why don't you stop trying to be something you're not. Go out in the world and help someone or something else. The world is about more than you. If you experience it that way, you may feel less attacked by all that happens every day.
Definitely bears repeating. Also something for the rest of us to consider...
Kurt: let's play a positive game. Imagine that you had a great power to influence/change the Democratic party. How would you change it? What programs besides stronger enforcement of immigration laws would you like to see enacted? How can the Democratic party help and heed the average American?
Your voice matters.
My voice matters not here. It is unwanted. That has been made more than clear.
That quote from islander really pissed me off. As if I am a slacker having nothing better to do in my life. I wrote a long reply and sat on it as time moved forward, but I did save it.
So try this on for size ... from May 21st
. islander wrote:
kurtster wrote:
Ah, so you're up north visiting.
Convictions ? You take both sides of every issue.
No empathy for others ? Which others ? And based on what ? Your image of who or what you think I am ? It is well known what you think of me. You disagree with everything I say 99.99% of the time.
You have declared over and over again that it is your life's work to keep me on the straight and narrow here, being my personal fact checker.
Stop trying to bullshit the bullshitter.
I travel a lot, but I maintain a residence in the states. Not sure why this matters so much to you, but you're frequently incorrect when assessing my living arrangements.
I take the moral side on every issue. I often re-assess to ensure that I'm not aligned with immoral people. I won't automatically change my position then, but I will evaluate what everyone's goals are at that point.
Based on your professed love of policies that hurt others, and your continued glee over 'burn it all down' and 'head's assploding'. I disagree with you because you are often on the wrong side of arguments, you lack empathy for your fellow humans, especially the ones that don't look exactly like you. You've demonstrated this over and over again.
Hah, my life's work has nothing to do with you. Nice try though. I, like many others dread the times we are forced to drop in an rebut your frequently wrongheaded statements. We do it so they don't stand and have people consider them having any merit.
Why don't you stop trying to be something you're not. Go out in the world and help someone or something else. The world is about more than you. If you experience it that way, you may feel less attacked by all that happens every day.
You have made my point.
I take the moral side on every issue.
Spoken like a true elitist. There's a luxury very few can afford. That is the rationalization for avoiding hard choices. Just how many politicians pass your purity test ? Names please.
And just whose morality do you use ? Based upon your own statement ...
I often re-assess to ensure that I'm not aligned with immoral people. I won't automatically change my position then, but I will evaluate what everyone's goals are at that point.
your morality is no better than shifting sands. Expedient at best. More like amoral.
The biggest problem I see with you is that you have no principals or core values. I say that because you state that the messenger is more important than the message with that you "re-assess to ensure that I'm not aligned with immoral people." This reads like you will always throw the baby out with the bath water. And again the morals you use are based upon what ? Certainly your morals do not involve any principals. Pretty clear; cut and dry.
you lack empathy for your fellow humans, especially the ones that don't look exactly like you. You've demonstrated this over and over again.
You could not be more wrong. I insist on making the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. No one else here does and refuse to this very day to make that distinction. This is the primary basis that everyone here uses to call me racist, xenophobic and fascist as far as I can tell. And I am guessing also the reason for calling me unempathetic. The first attacks on me used the premise that walls are racist. This is where principals enter into the picture. One of my core principals is, no borders, no country. That is the message. has been for decades. I voted for the messenger of that message because it is of primary importance and a core principal. The messenger has delivered on that promise. No one else had that message or even paid it lip service. Your belief system tells you that the messenger is unacceptable, therefore the message is unacceptable. Anyone coming here illegally takes a shit on this country by doing so and deserves to be removed immediately, regardless of who they are or where they are from. That makes me racist, right ? I don't really understand because the person coming here illegally is making that choice, not me. The world is not ready for the big blue dot and certainly not this country looking at all the problems caused by the recent invasion of well over 12 million new invaders, again their choice.
You yourself have attacked merit based approaches for regulating immigration. You are on the record for outright rejection of meritocracy period, which as a business man is most perplexing because it put less qualified people in jobs over more qualified people.
I disagree with you because you are often on the wrong side of arguments,
Says you. Just because you are in the majority here doesn't make you always right. Yet this is how you behave. There are at least 70 million people who agree with me in the real world and your statement to me says that you believe they are all wrong, too. As in always wrong. I do not believe that you are capable of interacting on a site that allows all views to be expressed. You are too protected and comfortable here feeling that you can say anything you like knowing that you will be backed up and supported. You would fold up like a cheap suit at a place where all views have equal footing and there would be an equal amount who agree and disagree with you. Here you don't have to defend yourself. You all think alike.
I, like many others dread the times we are forced to drop in an rebut your frequently wrongheaded statements. We do it so they don't stand and have people consider them having any merit.
Yeah yours, aka : the majority POV here, is the only one that matters. Sounds authoritarian, even dictatorial to me. And funny you using the word merit. How dare you when you so openly oppose the idea of merit to begin with. Again see the previous statement above.
Why don't you stop trying to be something you're not. Go out in the world and help someone or something else. The world is about more than you. If you experience it that way, you may feel less attacked by all that happens every day.
This is where you really reveal your true arrogance and "moral" superiority, not to mention ignorance and insensitivity. But then again, the standard here is to judge people solely based upon their politics and nothing else.
I presently have my hands full providing care for my wife, her son and myself. I no longer have to do so for my Mother as she passed in April. The three of us are all officially disabled in the eyes of the Social Security Administration, all with our own health issues. Jr just had his 6th back surgery a week ago and just earlier today I underwent the mapping procedure for targeting the radiation which begins a week from this Thursday. I now have my first real tattoos. I am now averaging a doctors visit 2 times a week for the past several months. Toss in an ugly probate scenario and tell me again how I have time for anything else. Oh yeah, I still work a couple of days to make ends meet.
You all think all that I do is sit around playing records all day and howl at the moon and tilt at windmills.
Why don't you stop trying to be something you're not. Go out in the world and help someone or something else. The world is about more than you. If you experience it that way, you may feel less attacked by all that happens every day.
Definitely bears repeating. Also something for the rest of us to consider...
Kurt: let's play a positive game. Imagine that you had a great power to influence/change the Democratic party. How would you change it? What programs besides stronger enforcement of immigration laws would you like to see enacted? How can the Democratic party help and heed the average American?
No empathy for others ? Which others ? And based on what ? Your image of who or what you think I am ? It is well known what you think of me. You disagree with everything I say 99.99% of the time.
You have declared over and over again that it is your life's work to keep me on the straight and narrow here, being my personal fact checker.
Stop trying to bullshit the bullshitter.
Criticize the messenger to avoid real debate on topic.check.
No empathy for others ? Which others ? And based on what ? Your image of who or what you think I am ? It is well known what you think of me. You disagree with everything I say 99.99% of the time.
You have declared over and over again that it is your life's work to keep me on the straight and narrow here, being my personal fact checker.
Stop trying to bullshit the bullshitter.
I travel a lot, but I maintain a residence in the states. Not sure why this matters so much to you, but you're frequently incorrect when assessing my living arrangements.
I take the moral side on every issue. I often re-assess to ensure that I'm not aligned with immoral people. I won't automatically change my position then, but I will evaluate what everyone's goals are at that point.
Based on your professed love of policies that hurt others, and your continued glee over 'burn it all down' and 'head's assploding'. I disagree with you because you are often on the wrong side of arguments, you lack empathy for your fellow humans, especially the ones that don't look exactly like you. You've demonstrated this over and over again.
Hah, my life's work has nothing to do with you. Nice try though. I, like many others dread the times we are forced to drop in an rebut your frequently wrongheaded statements. We do it so they don't stand and have people consider them having any merit.
Why don't you stop trying to be something you're not. Go out in the world and help someone or something else. The world is about more than you. If you experience it that way, you may feel less attacked by all that happens every day.
It's amazing how you can be wrong on every single point in a post. I actually hope for good outcomes for you. I feel bad that you have no empathy for others, but I do hold out hope that eventually your darkness may lift. I'm writing this from just North of Seattle, but still well south of Canada. My convictions are well known, along with the actions I pursue to support them. :shrug:
Ah, so you're up north visiting.
Convictions ? You take both sides of every issue.
No empathy for others ? Which others ? And based on what ? Your image of who or what you think I am ? It is well known what you think of me. You disagree with everything I say 99.99% of the time.
You have declared over and over again that it is your life's work to keep me on the straight and narrow here, being my personal fact checker.
You've got yours and left the country and don't care about anyone else.
You are the one without any convictions that you stand up for. You hold yourself blameless and point fingers at everyone else.
Poser.
It's amazing how you can be wrong on every single point in a post.
I actually hope for good outcomes for you. I feel bad that you have no empathy for others, but I do hold out hope that eventually your darkness may lift.
I'm writing this from just North of Seattle, but still well south of Canada.
My convictions are well known, along with the actions I pursue to support them.
Was not even aware of that until the shirts were posted here as a rebuttal. Shows you how much attention I pay to the side show.
That said, the threat of assassination of Biden was slim to none as no one wanted Harris to take over. Same thing with Obama and Biden. Trump on the other hand has already had two attempts that we know of and Comey can't play dumb on this one. He was the head of the FBI regardless of anything else.
But, meh, you're correct. It's all a crock on all sides anymore. I am really having a hard time caring about any of this anymore. My own life is getting too complicated to deal with extra crazy now.
Well good. Now that you and yours have f'd everything up for everyone else, you can go wallow in your own misery. Seems about right. "Burn everything down!!!", "Wah, Wah, there is nothing but ashes, whatever will I do?".
That's why they're getting all puffed up about it. Anything to distract from the real issues: election fraud and collapse of economy and loss of security and - after three months - a nation that's still fucked with no signs of pulling out of it.
So, yeah, let's talk about the Democrats, shall we?...
Sure letâs focus on this. Itâs really quiet anyway and not like thereâs any other crazy sh*t going on right now.
That's why they're getting all puffed up about it. Anything to distract from the real issues: election fraud and collapse of economy and loss of security and - after three months - a nation that's still fucked with no signs of pulling out of it.
So, yeah, let's talk about the Democrats, shall we?...
Trump supporters have been displaying "8646" on shirts, bumper-stickers, banners, etc., since 2020; no one seemed to be pursuing criminal charges about that.
Was not even aware of that until the shirts were posted here as a rebuttal. Shows you how much attention I pay to the side show.
That said, the threat of assassination of Biden was slim to none as no one wanted Harris to take over. Same thing with Obama and Biden. Trump on the other hand has already had two attempts that we know of and Comey can't play dumb on this one. He was the head of the FBI regardless of anything else.
But, meh, you're correct. It's all a crock on all sides anymore. I am really having a hard time caring about any of this anymore. My own life is getting too complicated to deal with extra crazy now.
Trump supporters have been displaying "8646" on shirts, bumper-stickers, banners, etc., since 2020; no one seemed to be pursuing criminal charges about that. Comey also substantially undermined Hillary's campaign (all but assuring Trump's victory), with his "letter" to Congress, regarding reopening the investigation, just a few days before the election, after having previously declared it closed. He's not a "hero" to most Democrats as far as I've ever heard. Anyhow, "86" generally means "get rid of", "drop", or "remove", not "kill", depending on the context of course.
