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Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 6:07pm

westslope wrote:
Lazy8, I reckon the author implicitly covered the ability to resign from the military and being left alone by referring to the democratic socialism model.    Unless you know of  social democracies that prevent you from resigning from the military?   If you, please name them.  

Or do you prefer see the world in polarized ideological terms?

No, not covered at all.

Once enough of your neighbors vote for chains you get chains. Whoopie, it was democratic, so shut up and wait in line for your rations.

The military (now that the draft is—at least for now—gone) is a bit of a tradeoff: you put up with rigid regimentation and the forfeiting of every imaginable freedom (up to and including your life) in exchange for a paternalistic system that takes care of you. At least as it defines "care". But you can opt out and resume a life you are in control of.

If an entire country is converted to this kind of regime your option to opt out is gone, at least without fleeing the country. Assuming they'll let you out.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 4:11pm



 westslope wrote:


 
OFFS?   What the hell does that mean?


 

Allow me to introduce you to the internet.
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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 4:00pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:
The US Military Is a Socialist Organization
Affordable housing and food, tuition assistance, and universal health care are hallmarks of a social welfare system—and life in the armed forces.

OFFS: you can resign from the military and it will leave you alone.


On the other hand: top-down control, rigid hierarchy, intolerance of working outside official channels. To the extent the analogy holds...greeeeeat model for society as a whole.
 
Good piece R_P. 

OFFS?   What the hell does that mean?

Lazy8, I reckon the author implicitly covered the ability to resign from the military and being left alone by referring to the democratic socialism model.    Unless you know of  social democracies that prevent you from resigning from the military?   If you, please name them.  

Or do you prefer see the world in polarized ideological terms?  

Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 3:34pm

R_P wrote:
The US Military Is a Socialist Organization
Affordable housing and food, tuition assistance, and universal health care are hallmarks of a social welfare system—and life in the armed forces.

OFFS: you can resign from the military and it will leave you alone.

On the other hand: top-down control, rigid hierarchy, intolerance of working outside official channels. To the extent the analogy holds...greeeeeat model for society as a whole.
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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 3:09pm

The US Military Is a Socialist Organization
Affordable housing and food, tuition assistance, and universal health care are hallmarks of a social welfare system—and life in the armed forces.
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Posted: Oct 30, 2019 - 1:43pm

Killing Me Softly With Militarism: The Decay Of Democracy In America
What do I mean by softer forms of militarism? I’m a football fan, so one recent Sunday afternoon found me watching an NFL game on CBS. People deplore violence in such games, and rightly so, given the number of injuries among the players, notably concussions that debilitate lives. But what about violent commercials during the game? In that one afternoon, I noted repetitive commercials for SEAL Team, SWAT, and FBI, all CBS shows from this quietly militarized American moment of ours. In other words, I was exposed to lots of guns, explosions, fisticuffs, and the like, but more than anything I was given glimpses of hard men (and a woman or two) in uniform who have the very answers we need and, like the Pentagon-supplied police in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014, are armed to the teeth. (“Models with guns,” my wife calls them.)

Got a situation in Nowhere-stan? Send in the Navy SEALs. Got a murderer on the loose? Send in the SWAT team. With their superior weaponry and can-do spirit, Special Forces of every sort are sure to win the day (except, of course, when they don’t, as in America’s current series of never-ending wars in distant lands). (...)

Besides TV shows, movies, and commercials, there are many signs of the increasing embrace of militarized values and attitudes in this country.  The result: the acceptance of a military in places where it shouldn’t be, one that’s over-celebrated, over-hyped, and given far too much money and cultural authority, while becoming virtually immune to serious criticism.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2019 - 3:11pm

“This is a landmark day, one that recognizes the centrality of space to America’s security and defense,” Trump said in a White House ceremony. “SpaceCom will ensure that America’s dominance in space is never threatened.”

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Posted: Aug 30, 2019 - 9:46am

The Pentagon’s New Missile Drive Is Bringing Armageddon Closer
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Posted: Mar 23, 2019 - 12:59pm

The Pentagon’s Bottomless Money Pit
When the Defense Department flunked its first-ever fiscal review, one of our government’s greatest mysteries was exposed: Where does the DoD’s $700 billion annual budget go?
America’s Senior Generals Find No Exits From Endless War
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Posted: Jan 28, 2019 - 8:10pm



 R_P wrote:
 
If this exposure proves accurate it is not an insignificant shift nor is the mindset even remotely sane. They're talking about tactical weapons. Those have been around since the cold war. I was thinking that they were to have been phased out. Obviously not.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2019 - 4:25pm

Nukular insanity...
US nuclear weapons: first low-yield warheads roll off the production line
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Posted: Jan 10, 2019 - 5:12pm

Bases, Bases, Everywhere … Except in the Pentagon’s Report
The U.S. military is finally withdrawing (or not) from its base at al-Tanf. You know, the place that the Syrian government long claimed was a training ground for Islamic State (ISIS) fighters; the land corridor just inside Syria, near both the Iraqi and Jordanian borders, that Russia has called a terrorist hotbed (while floating the idea of jointly administering it with the United States); the location of a camp where hundreds of U.S. Marines joined Special Operations forces last year; an outpost that U.S. officials claimed was the key not only to defeating ISIS, but also, according to General Joseph Votel, the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, to countering “the malign activities that Iran and their various proxies and surrogates would like to pursue.” You know, that al-Tanf.

Within hours of President Trump’s announcement of a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria, equipment at that base was already being inventoried for removal. And just like that, arguably the most important American garrison in Syria was (maybe) being struck from the Pentagon’s books — except, as it happens, al-Tanf was never actually on the Pentagon’s books. Opened in 2015 and, until recently, home to hundreds of U.S. troops, it was one of the many military bases that exist somewhere between light and shadow, an acknowledged foreign outpost that somehow never actually made it onto the Pentagon’s official inventory of bases. (...)

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Posted: Jan 8, 2019 - 10:08am

Mattis: One More General for the ‘Self Licking Ice Cream Cone’
Big brass and government executives play both sides of the military revolving door, including "the only adult in the room."
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Posted: Jan 4, 2019 - 1:45pm

On Banana Republics
Bluntly stated, the politicization of the American military had already advanced a good deal before Trump became president. Today, the politicization process is on steroids.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 11:20am

Our Poor, Defenseless Military Industrial Complex
Media decry ‘inadequate’ US military budget that rivals rest of world combined
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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 - 11:56am



 kurtster wrote:

That is what I thought, too.


Yeah a sub would be worse, clausta, can we say claustrophobia while tripping ?  
{#Eek}


I used to have a Merchant Marine card, never went out though.  A close friend did sail on the ore boats up here on the GL's.  One winter, he had the ship watcher job for his boat as it was tied up for the winter here in Cleveland sometime in the mid 70's.  I spent lot's of time onboard that winter.  From stem to stern.  Flipping dangerous just being there, straight and sober.  Spooky, too, but that's another story ...  And then to be on something ginormous, operational, fully manned and underway, tripping ?  No way in hell.  Rather trip at Disneyland and that is not all it's cracked up to be, either.  Been there, did that ...

and that clip of Dragnet, yikes !
 
  Yeah, Reagan on acid would've been something:  "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this magic, glowing wall before the multicolored sounds pouring out of it come and take away the pretzels."
  I have a cousin who spent most of his Navy career on submarines, mostly under the Arctic ice, playing hide-and-seek with Russian (then-Soviet) subs.  He said there were very prolonged periods of time (days?) where no one was allowed to speak or make any kind of sounds.  They used all kinds of hand signals and many of them learned American Sign Language.  I imagine using LSD would not have been a good idea.
  I'd forgotten how much out-and-out nonsense was spouted out by Joe Friday.  It's funny these days to see it, but a lot of people believed him back then.

sirdroseph

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 - 11:51am

 kurtster wrote:

Geez, not as bored as you.  Your news feeds or whatever it is that you indulge yourself in must be overwhelming.

But tripping on an ACC ?  You've got to be kidding.  I couldn't think of a worse place just because of what it is.  Last place I would even think of tripping.

 
Actually this is a problem, we do NOT need active duty military tripping.  It was a bad idea when it was administered to the soliders by the military and it is a bad idea for them to take it on their own. {#Eek}
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 - 11:50am



 R_P wrote: :
"Hey dude, what does this shiny red button do?"
  
 
 It turns green. NO WAIT! Purple. Yeah.




 


kurtster

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 - 11:24am

 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Geez, not as bored as you.  Your news feeds or whatever it is that you indulge yourself in must be overwhelming.

But tripping on an ACC ?  You've got to be kidding.  I couldn't think of a worse place just because of what it is.  Last place I would even think of tripping.
 
A submarine is probably worse, but still...  When I first read that headline I had forgotten what the thread topic was and briefly thought it was about some new information which surfaced about Ronald Reagan having used LSD while he was President.


 
That is what I thought, too.

Yeah a sub would be worse, clausta, can we say claustrophobia while tripping ?  {#Eek}

I used to have a Merchant Marine card, never went out though.  A close friend did sail on the ore boats up here on the GL's.  One winter, he had the ship watcher job for his boat as it was tied up for the winter here in Cleveland sometime in the mid 70's.  I spent lot's of time onboard that winter.  From stem to stern.  Flipping dangerous just being there, straight and sober.  Spooky, too, but that's another story ...  And then to be on something ginormous, operational, fully manned and underway, tripping ?  No way in hell.  Rather trip at Disneyland and that is not all it's cracked up to be, either.  Been there, did that ...

and that clip of Dragnet, yikes !
R_P

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 - 11:14am

 kurtster wrote:
Geez, not as bored as you.  Your news feeds or whatever it is that you indulge yourself in must be overwhelming.

But tripping on an ACC ?  You've got to be kidding.  I couldn't think of a worse place just because of what it is.  Last place I would even think of tripping.
 
Overwhelming with stupidity...

"Hey dude, what does this shiny red button do?"
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