Recently Active Forum Topics:

Page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 18, 19, 20 Next

miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 - 4:02pm

fuh2 wrote:

miamizsun wrote:

fuh, where do you get such notions?

Do you just pick unrealistic extremes, and go with it, regardless?

And Somalia and Haiti aren't Libertarian.

Regards
"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."

"Taxes must, in the end, fall upon the consumer."

Frederic Bastiat

Extremes? There never HAS been a successful Libertarian run government in history. Iceland tried it but lets say that ended VERY badly last year!

Libertarians are against taxes and governement regulation of any kind. Hence you have your Libertarian paradise of Haiti with no taxes and NO BUILDING CODES AT ALL. How'd THAT work out?

And from the Libertaarian Ludwig Von Mises Institute 2006. :

Stateless in Somalia, and Loving It

Mises Daily: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 by Yumi Kim

fuh, if you're in the USA, it was founded on principles that Libertarians embrace, peace and prosperity, limited government, states rights, and most importantly, individual rights.

Iceland? I haven't really got the particulars on Iceland, however, I know that they did get burned by Corporate raiders on Wall Street. (and they had debt, and a fiat currency, these aren't signs of a Libertarian government, in fact fiat currency is 180 degrees from it, a huge no-no) One thing, I did see here was interesting.

You say Libertarians are against taxes and government of any kind (and then proceed to extrapolate that Haiti had no building codes, so they must be Libertarian {#Rolleyes}

)

While your mis-informed attempts to paint Libertarians as unorganized barbarians is pretty sad, let's actually look at the LP website and see what you're missing.

"Principled; Consistent

The Libertarian way is a logically consistent approach to politics based on the moral principle of self-ownership. Each individual has the right to control his or her own body, action, speech, and property. Government's only role is to help individuals defend themselves from force and fraud."

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power."

1.5 Crime and Justice

Government exists to protect the rights of every individual including life, liberty and property. Criminal laws should be limited to violation of the rights of others through force or fraud, or deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Individuals retain the right to voluntarily assume risk of harm to themselves. We support restitution of the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. We oppose reduction of constitutional safeguards of the rights of the criminally accused. The rights of due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must not be denied. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.

1.6 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights - life, liberty, and justly acquired property - against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the right to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

2.0 Economic Liberty

A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

We could go on and on.

And now you think because Yumi Kim posts an opinion/view on an Austrian Economic website, referring to to Somalia as stateless, it makes it a Libertarian government?

From what I read on Somalia, they're no where near a Libertarian form of government. It's more like cultural and religious conflict/struggle for control.

Regards

hippiechick

hippiechick Avatar

Location: topsy turvy land
Gender: Female

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 - 2:39pm
He thinks he is Sean Hannity

Yibbyl

Yibbyl Avatar

Location: Gaäd only knows
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 - 2:19pm

Mark_E_DeSnow wrote:

Looks good to me. - Mark E. DeSnow

Looks like a classic case of an attempt at "ill gotten gains" to me. Ahem, Pot meet Kettle. Kettle meet Pot.

By the way, I don't know how "good" that pic will look to you after you finally realize that you are cheering on the armed RED guy, as in Red States or Republicans! {#Roflol}

Hurray for Socialism!

I must admit that you are an entertaining fellow, but don't think that that is your intent...

Monkeysdad

Monkeysdad Avatar

Location: Simi Valley, CA
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 - 12:54pm
musik_knut wrote: If Republicans gain control somewhere along the way, I expect a continuation of the lies that both Parties employ. Yup,...pretty much!

musik_knut

musik_knut Avatar

Location: Third Stone From The Sun
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 - 12:53pm

Mark_E_DeSnow wrote:

fuh2 wrote:

Heres how it really is:

The Republican housekeeper (govt) has secretly hired a very expensive outside contractor cronie friend to do something the housekeeper could have done him/herself at a much cheaper rate.

The cronie in turn gives kickbacks to the Republican housekeeper who hired him. The Housekeeper uses some of that money to buy flowers and favors to the unsuspecting owners to stay on their good side.

The housekeeper uses the owners credit card to pay for the cronie putting them deeper and deeper in debt. But the owners are so distracted by their work and social life they are oblivious to this whole scam.

The owners eventually find out and fire the housekeeper. The grateful cronie friend then hires the Republican housekeeper at an even higher salary.

Thank you for giving us an accurate analogy for the monopoly capitalist system. THIS IS HOW IT REALLY WORKS, not how Music Knut and Monkeysdad think it does. (We can only pity those poor deluded nincompoops.)

Is is really so tough or demanding that you cannot comment without a personalized retort? Apparently so.

musik_knut

musik_knut Avatar

Location: Third Stone From The Sun
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 - 12:50pm

hippiechick wrote:

I don't hear any Dems lying like I hear these people.

Tim Pawlenty even had the nerve to talk about Tiger's wife hitting him with a golf club, which Tiger completely denies. I thought it was a very low blow.

Transparency. Web posted legislation sufficent in time for The People to read up on them. Ethics. Fiscal responsibility. Just to name a few 'lies'. And those come from the folks currently wielding all the levers of power. If Republicans gain control somewhere along the way, I expect a continuation of the lies that both Parties employ.
What happened between Tiger and his wife, what continues to take place between them, is their business. Unfortunately for them, we live in a tabloid driven news world. I really don't need to know what and when or with whom when it comes to what should be a private family manner. That Gov. Pawlenty continues with an account Tiger denies, does not speak well of Gov. Pawlenty. He should either prove the assertion or drop it.

fuh2

Location: Mexican beach paradise
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 5:55pm

brandog wrote:

I heard someone say once that if The Nation were a home and The People contracted The Government to keep the home tidy and safe, and The Government demanded more money for less work, and started telling The People what they could (and could not do) in their home - well, that's the government our money has bought - "best" :roll-eyes: hmm...

(former member)

(former member) Avatar

Location: hotel in Las Vegas
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 5:49pm
fuh2 wrote: #1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. Very strange title... "contract" means "to shrink away from"... Contract from America — Organized by the Tea Party Patriots

fuh2

Location: Mexican beach paradise
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 5:29pm

jadewahoo wrote:

HEY! I was a flag burner in my youth. You gonna hold that against me?

Yes flag burners in the Fascist state you are bannished for LIFE.
Shame on YOU!

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

#1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

(former member)

(former member) Avatar

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 5:25pm

Isabeau wrote:

I just see it all as a larger problem... much as all of us do:
Our government has become a covert plutocracy, no matter what the party.
We are in desperate need of a 21st century Teddy Roosevelt — but could such an individual survive in our current political environment?

... After all, its become the best Government Money Can Buy!

Isabeau

Isabeau Avatar

Location: sou' tex
Gender: Female

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 5:19pm
I just see it all as a larger problem... much as all of us do: Our government has become a covert plutocracy, no matter what the party. We are in desperate need of a 21st century Teddy Roosevelt — but could such an individual survive in our current political environment? ... After all, its become the best Government Money Can Buy!

jadewahoo

jadewahoo Avatar

Location: Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 5:01pm
genepicard wrote: So glad I could piss you off by voting for him in a formerly Blue State. Flag burner Senator John Kerry's next! HEY! I was a flag burner in my youth. You gonna hold that against me?

hippiechick

hippiechick Avatar

Location: topsy turvy land
Gender: Female

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 4:43pm
musik_knut wrote: That's a two way street. Some see Democrats as the Party of whoppers... I don't hear any Dems lying like I hear these people. Tim Pawlenty even had the nerve to talk about Tiger's wife hitting him with a golf club, which Tiger completely denies. I thought it was a very low blow.

musik_knut

musik_knut Avatar

Location: Third Stone From The Sun
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 2:34pm
hippiechick wrote: After listening to some of the speakers from CPAC, as well as the other Conservatives, I have come to the conclusion that they prefer the story to the truth. If the legend/lie is better than the truth, tell the legend/lie. That's a two way street. Some see Democrats as the Party of whoppers...

hippiechick

hippiechick Avatar

Location: topsy turvy land
Gender: Female

Posted: Feb 21, 2010 - 9:22am
After listening to some of the speakers from CPAC, as well as the other Conservatives, I have come to the conclusion that they prefer the story to the truth. If the legend/lie is better than the truth, tell the legend/lie.

GeneP59

GeneP59 Avatar

Location: On the edge of tomorrow looking back at yesterday.
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 20, 2010 - 11:35pm
Mark_E_DeSnow wrote: On a sad note: The election of Scott Brown to Ted Kennedy's vacant senate seat wasn't the only bad news that week. So glad I could piss you off by voting for him in a formerly Blue State. Flag burner Senator John Kerry's next!

musik_knut

musik_knut Avatar

Location: Third Stone From The Sun
Gender: Male

Posted: Feb 20, 2010 - 4:20pm

Mark_E_DeSnow wrote:

On a sad note:

      The election of Scott Brown to Ted Kennedy's vacant senate seat wasn't the only bad news that week. Going virtually unnoticed was the announcement two days later that Air America, the progressive radio network, had filed for bankruptcy. Both of these unfortunate occurrences can be traced to the same cause; a surprisingly stubborn Republican Right Wing which refuses to roll over and die (as it should.) Massive propaganda and disinformation on the part of the corporate owned/controlled media slander machine contributed heavily to these progressive losses. In the case of Air America, it was just a matter of time. Right wing radio, flush with corporatate $$$, always had the advantage, whereas Air America had to continuously struggle just to show a profit.
      During its six years in existence, Air America was a blast of fresh air. It provided radio listeners with a much needed alternative to the blatherings of Flush Scumbag, Sean Hilarity, and Portland's very own right wing-nut Lars Larson, who have dominated this medium for over two decades. And it gave career starts to the likes of Thom Hartmann, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, and the legendary Mike Malloy (he was so radical that he eventually got the boot from Air America!) Air America's tragic demise narrows the spectrum of political opinion to where it was previous to it's launching, but it is to the network's credit that so many alumni have gone on to success in other media. (It was his exposure on Air America which no doubt helped Saturday Night Live alumnus Al Franken get elected to the Senate in 2008.)
      AIr America will be sorely missed.

Nonsense. Where do you hatch such notions? Air America failed because lacking a sufficient audience, they could not garner ad dollars, the life blood of broadcasting. It was only a couple years ago that George Soros propped up a then failing Air America with a significant 'donation'. Air America failed and was failing because they lacked a sufficent audience for their left of center programming. Like it or not, this country is, if anything, right of center. You can't blame Republicans for Air America's demise. Air America had a limited appeal and advertisers won't spend dollars if the demographics are wrong. For Air America, their message and their demographics were wrong. That's how it is in the broadcasting biz: no audience or one too small for the liking of ad dollars and you're facing termination.

R_P

Gender:

Posted: Feb 20, 2010 - 4:08pm

Boos as Paul wins CPAC straw poll

Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning Texas Republican who ran a quixotic bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, was the top vote-getter in this year's Conservative Political Action Conference’s straw poll, capturing 33 percent of those who participated in the contest.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who had won the CPAC straw poll for three consecutive years, was the only other candidate to break double digits, taking 22 percent of the vote. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin won seven percent and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty six percent. Pawlenty attended the conference; Palin did not.

Paul’s victory renders a straw poll that was already lightly-contested among the likely 2012 GOP hopefuls all but irrelevant as the 74-year-old Texan is unlikely to be a serious contender for his party’s nomination.

As the results were displayed on twin large screens in the ballroom – and even before Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio could announce who won – a cascade of boos came down from a crowd that views Paul and his fervent supporters as an irritant.

CPAC organizers were plainly embarrassed by the results, which could have the effect of reducing the perceived impact of a contest that was once thought to offer a window into which White House hopefuls were favored by movement conservatives.

A spokesman for the conference rushed over to reporters following the announcement to make sure they had heard the unmistakable boos when Paul was disclosed as the winner.

2,935 votes were cast in the straw poll – far fewer than the approximately 10,000 people who attended the conference.

Rep, Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican who heads the House GOP conference, took five percent of the vote. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee each won four percent.

Page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 18, 19, 20 Next