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meower

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 3:04pm

miamizsun wrote:

i agree

is it extremely poor judgment by the caller? yes

is that normal behavior? no

does that makes her a racist? i'm not convinced

regards

how about not racist, but also not aware of the fact that she might've responded differently if it was a white girl?

Is that possible? How about if we don't call it racism, but racial bias?

I have racial bias, when I notice it, I check myself, and try to be aware of it and not engage it. I think if we all self checked, it would be a good thing.

miamizsun

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 2:35pm

maryte wrote:

I work at the University of Texas. Students - many of them - decompress whenever and wherever they can. I've seen countless students napping in public areas, inside and outside. Wouldn't dream of calling the cops - even the Uni cops - on any of them. If there's a problem, someone should try to politely wake them up, not report them to the police, as though they were criminals.

i agree

is it extremely poor judgment by the caller? yes

is that normal behavior? no

does that makes her a racist? i'm not convinced

regards

maryte

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 11:04am

miamizsun wrote:

last time as a student/client?

um business school 2006

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 9:53am

Proclivities wrote:

meower wrote:

I'd like to know how many white kids in the college dorms have had the police called on them for sleeping.

You don't have to be racist to be reactively racially biased and not know it. That's what I am assuming happened here.

I know some white students who have been awakened by campus police while sleeping in public or "common" spaces, but I don't believe any of them were really "questioned"; they were essentially just told "you can't sleep here".

Right, and someone pulling an all-nighter who falls asleep at 2am can't really be confused with a dorm "guest" who's on a sleepover. Unless that guest is sneaky and leaves research materials scattered around.

Absolute furthest the cops should have gone would be to say "you don't have to go home but you can't stay here," and when she produced a key to an apartment (having no reason to suspect she would not be the rightful possessor of that key), said, "okay, good night." But of course, as a tenant of the building, she is perfectly okay to use the common room, even to sleep (within reason).

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 9:24am

islander wrote:

And the general police reaction - "show us your papers" seems out of line for the situation. I'm impressed by the student's general calm in dealing with the pretty BS situation. I've dealt with cops trying (and succeeding) in being intimidating, and I had lots of cameras and the fortune to be a well dressed older white guy in the situation, and I was still unnerved.

Not unlike those guys who got hauled out of Starbucks. I guarantee those guys have been hassled by police many times, and know the drill. If they are anything but completely compliant, they get roughed up, or worse. It's a $hit situation. In the Starbucks video, a white man asked, loudly, what was going on. A black man doing the same thing would have been cuffed and stuffed on the spot.
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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 9:22am

meower wrote:

I'd like to know how many white kids in the college dorms have had the police called on them for sleeping.

You don't have to be racist to be reactively racially biased and not know it. That's what I am assuming happened here.

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 9:19am
Â R_P wrote: Sticks and stones. However, calling the cops on a black person when it's not really needed could have some really bad consequences in some places. Â That's a fair point.

islander

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 9:13am

meower wrote:

I'd like to know how many white kids in the college dorms have had the police called on them for sleeping.

You don't have to be racist to be reactively racially biased and not know it. That's what I am assuming happened here.

And the general police reaction - "show us your papers" seems out of line for the situation. I'm impressed by the student's general calm in dealing with the pretty BS situation. I've dealt with cops trying (and succeeding) in being intimidating, and I had lots of cameras and the fortune to be a well dressed older white guy in the situation, and I was still unnerved.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:49am

islander wrote:

I'm more and more interested in the whole timeline. She apparently turned on the lights and confronted her about sleeping in the common room, that should have been enough. Was there a response that caused the police to be called, or were the police called and then the initial "you can't sleep here" happened?

I spent my share of time asleep in the school library and various spots in the engineering building and was never hassled for it.

I'd also be interested to know how many sleeping white folks she's called the cops on.

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:48am
miamizsun wrote: that she called, or confronted someone based on race (i may be missing that part) accusing someone of being a racist is pretty bad, just the accusation alone could have some really bad consequences Sticks and stones. However, calling the cops on a black person when it's not really needed could have some really bad consequences in some places.

meower

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:45am

miamizsun wrote:

some people are paranoid, some are just pains in the arse and would bitch about anything

the problem when making a claim is that you need some sort of evidence

that she called, or confronted someone based on race (i may be missing that part)

accusing someone of being a racist is pretty bad, just the accusation alone could have some really bad consequences

heck i've lived in associations and been on the board where neighbors feud over senseless stuff

if we get some video or blog posts or something that resembles evidence then there's a case

regards

I'd like to know how many white kids in the college dorms have had the police called on them for sleeping.

You don't have to be racist to be reactively racially biased and not know it. That's what I am assuming happened here.

miamizsun

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:21am

Red_Dragon wrote:

Apparently this is not the first time that this particular person has done this...

Lazy8

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:17am

islander wrote:

I'm less and less interested in Yale as a place to visit.

It's finals week at Yale. There must have been hundreds of students conked out all over campus. When the cops got there the appropriate question for the caller would have been "Is this your first semester at school? You need to get over this."

islander

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:11am

Lazy8 wrote:

Red_Dragon wrote:

Apparently this is not the first time that this particular person has done this...

It's near the end of the school year. She has lived with the lady who got harassed—they've been neighbors—for (at least) the better part of a year. Why did she not know her?

Has dorm life become that impersonal and insular since I went to college?

Since when are sleeping students a threat? Criminy, I'd have spent an awful lot of my college career in handcuffs if I got harassed every time I took a nap.

islander

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:05am

miamizsun wrote:

i didn't see any evidence that security was called because of race

is this just an assumption because of race?

after a quick search i saw a blurb about crime increasing there

could calling for security be an encouraged protocol?

yale has installed over 500 blue phones around campus for safety measures

maybe she thought the person was a guest (there are rules in the student handbook about sleeping in the common areas)

Guests in Dormitories
You may have a guest stay with you for a 3-day, 2-night period occasionally.
All guests are to sleep in student rooms, not in common rooms or any other
space outside of the student’s room. Keys are not issued to guests.
You must register your guest with the Housing Office. Please email
housing@yale.edu including your name, your room number and building,
as well as the name of your guest and the dates of their stay. Failure to
register your guests or complaints against a guest can result in loss of guest
privileges. Guests should conduct themselves in a manner that is respectful
to the other residents. It is your responsibility to let your guest know about
the campus regulations and housing expectations. Guests should not be left
in student rooms and buildings when their hosts are not with them.

Yale Police Chief Ronnell Higgins did not respond Wednesday to a request for comment. But Yale spokeswoman Karen Peart told CNN, "We believe the Yale police who responded followed procedures."

not picking nits but it seems the media are quick to judge people

peace

A lot of speculating, so I'll add some of my own.

a) it would be nice if there were a video of the original incident. In my experience students sleeping in common areas wasn't unusual. She said she was studying, so were there papers/books present?

b) What exactly was it that lead to the other student being 'uncomfortable' and feeling that there was a need to call the police? Was there any justification beyond race? How many times were the police called in on sleeping students this year?

c) There is a ~ 18 minute video of them 'clearing things up', that includes checking her ID against a student database (and subsequent confusion because of a name mis-match). I can see their demand to show an ID as further proof of legitimacy after having a key/opening a door, but the cross check and subsequent questioning and detaining seems pretty extreme for just validating. Again, how often does this happen?

d) yes, the media (and it's consumers) are quick to judge, often coming down on prescribed sides. But the whole climate of increased bigotry has been intensified in the last several years, and substantially so in the last 1.5 years. It's always easy to speculate on an alternate hypothesis, but I'd wager we wouldn't be having this discussion if the sleeping student was white.

miamizsun

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:04am
maryte wrote: When did you last spend time on a college campus? last time as a student/client? um business school 2006

Lazy8

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 8:04am

Red_Dragon wrote:

Apparently this is not the first time that this particular person has done this...

Red_Dragon

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 7:46am

miamizsun wrote:

Guests in Dormitories
You may have a guest stay with you for a 3-day, 2-night period occasionally.
All guests are to sleep in student rooms, not in common rooms or any other
space outside of the student’s room. Keys are not issued to guests.
You must register your guest with the Housing Office. Please email
housing@yale.edu including your name, your room number and building,
as well as the name of your guest and the dates of their stay. Failure to
register your guests or complaints against a guest can result in loss of guest
privileges. Guests should conduct themselves in a manner that is respectful
to the other residents. It is your responsibility to let your guest know about
the campus regulations and housing expectations. Guests should not be left
in student rooms and buildings when their hosts are not with them.

Yale Police Chief Ronnell Higgins did not respond Wednesday to a request for comment. But Yale spokeswoman Karen Peart told CNN, "We believe the Yale police who responded followed procedures."

not picking nits but it seems the media are quick to judge people

peace

Apparently this is not the first time that this particular person has done this...

maryte

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Gender: Female

Posted: May 10, 2018 - 6:39am

miamizsun wrote:

Guests in Dormitories
You may have a guest stay with you for a 3-day, 2-night period occasionally.
All guests are to sleep in student rooms, not in common rooms or any other
space outside of the student’s room. Keys are not issued to guests.
You must register your guest with the Housing Office. Please email
housing@yale.edu including your name, your room number and building,
as well as the name of your guest and the dates of their stay. Failure to
register your guests or complaints against a guest can result in loss of guest
privileges. Guests should conduct themselves in a manner that is respectful
to the other residents. It is your responsibility to let your guest know about
the campus regulations and housing expectations. Guests should not be left
in student rooms and buildings when their hosts are not with them.

Yale Police Chief Ronnell Higgins did not respond Wednesday to a request for comment. But Yale spokeswoman Karen Peart told CNN, "We believe the Yale police who responded followed procedures."

not picking nits but it seems the media are quick to judge people

peace

When did you last spend time on a college campus?

Coaxial

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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 6:23am

miamizsun wrote:

Guests in Dormitories
You may have a guest stay with you for a 3-day, 2-night period occasionally.
All guests are to sleep in student rooms, not in common rooms or any other
space outside of the student’s room. Keys are not issued to guests.
You must register your guest with the Housing Office. Please email
housing@yale.edu including your name, your room number and building,
as well as the name of your guest and the dates of their stay. Failure to
register your guests or complaints against a guest can result in loss of guest
privileges. Guests should conduct themselves in a manner that is respectful
to the other residents. It is your responsibility to let your guest know about
the campus regulations and housing expectations. Guests should not be left
in student rooms and buildings when their hosts are not with them.

Yale Police Chief Ronnell Higgins did not respond Wednesday to a request for comment. But Yale spokeswoman Karen Peart told CNN, "We believe the Yale police who responded followed procedures."

not picking nits but it seems the media are quick to judge people

peace

Nit nit picker. {#Hand}

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