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triskele

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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:19am

winter wrote:

I'm not a fan of the Dead either. But is it really necessary to walk into a thread full of their fans and go on about how much you don't like them?

It's like walking into a church and starting in on the evils of religion. You're not converting anyone, and you're pissing off people who weren't harming you or yours.


some people have no manners.
they will force their opinions on others, as though what THEY believe were the only thing with value.

deadheads are, almost to a fault, kind and accepting.
to spew them (us) with opinionated vitriol is completely uncalled for.

if one does not like the subject matter of a thread, one should just stay the f#*k out of it.

normally, i am very mild mannered, and would not say shit if i had a mouth full of it...but this is really quite ENOUGH.


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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:19am

 winter wrote:

I'm not a fan of the Dead either. But is it really necessary to walk into a thread full of their fans and go on about how much you don't like them?

It's like walking into a church and starting in on the evils of religion. You're not converting anyone, and you're pissing off people who weren't harming you or yours.

 
If I saw a poisonous snake would I stomp on it as my first instinct? Yes.

 But I'll go away now.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:15am

 bokey wrote:
 oldslabsides wrote:

If you can't say anything nice....oh, and who's your favorite band, so I can yammer on about how much they suck?
 
 I don't have any one favorite band but if I did they would at least be  able to tune their instruments.

 Until you can do that on a consistant basis you aren't a rteal musician- you are just a trained performance monkey.

 The Dead were con men taking a free ride on the dreams of idealistic people.

 
I'm not a fan of the Dead either. But is it really necessary to walk into a thread full of their fans and go on about how much you don't like them?

It's like walking into a church and starting in on the evils of religion. You're not converting anyone, and you're pissing off people who weren't harming you or yours.
bokey

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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:11am

 oldslabsides wrote:

If you can't say anything nice. . . . oh, and who's your favorite band, so I can yammer on about how much they suck?
 
 I don't have any one favorite band but if I did they would at least be  able to tune their instruments.

 Until you can do that on a consistant basis you aren't a rteal musician- you are just a trained performance monkey.

 The Dead were con men taking a free ride on the dreams of idealistic people.


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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:08am

 bokey wrote:
{#Puke}So like they aren't going to suck? They sucked when they were all alive.

 Worst band ever. Worse than the worst high school band in the(history of) world.

 
If you can't say anything nice....oh, and who's your favorite band, so I can yammer on about how much they suck?

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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:05am

{#Puke}So like they aren't going to suck? They sucked when they were all alive.

 Worst band ever. Worse than the worst high school band in the(history of) world.


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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 8:11am

 ed wrote: 

Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View on May 9th!!

:dancingbear:  :dancingbear:



(  Shoreline was Jerry's favorite venue... built with some of his suggestions for design)

You guys oughtta come out and see 'em here...




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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 7:53am

 triskele wrote:

thanks! when i posted the info, the little link icon was not available.

i'm thinking that, regardless of where i am living at the time, i need to be in chicago on may 5!
 
Photobucket {#Kiss}

triskele

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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 7:47am

ed wrote:
thanks! when i posted the info, the little link icon was not available.

i'm thinking that, regardless of where i am living at the time, i need to be in chicago on may 5!

triskele

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Posted: Jan 1, 2009 - 7:39am

um....i'm excited......

unfortunately, i can't post this as a click-able link...but here 'tis!! if you're interested in seeing The Dead, copy and paste the below link into your search engine.

http://www.dead.net/dead09?cmpid=tour09


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Posted: Oct 29, 2008 - 1:35pm

Legal Do-Dah Man Helped Stoke Grateful Dead's Marketing Machine                                                                                                 He was perhaps the only lawyer in America whose stationery was inscribed "Legally Dead."

Hal Kant, the longtime attorney for America's quintessential hippie band, gave the legal nod to what became the Grateful Dead's commercial signature: While most groups prohibit taping, the Dead tacitly allowed fans to make their own not-for-profit tapes and pass them around.

"Every one of those tapes became a marketing device," says Dennis McNally, the Dead's publicist for many years.

It was Mr. Kant who led the Grateful Dead to incorporate, making it one of the first rock bands to offer health benefits and pensions. He negotiated contracts that preserved the Dead's master recordings for the band, not a record company, and coordinated its many businesses.

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And it was Mr. Kant — "the Czar," to lead guitarist Jerry Garcia — who convinced Mr. Garcia to protest when groovy Vermont dairy Ben & Jerry's Homemade Inc. named one of its flavors Cherry Garcia. The company now pays royalties, split between a Grateful Dead charity and Mr. Garcia's heirs.

Mr. Garcia died in 1995, and the band lapsed, though its surviving members went on to play gigs. They reunited for a concert earlier this month, for the first time in four years, in State College, Pa.

One of the top-drawing touring acts in the country, the Grateful Dead was a big business in the 1980s and 1990s, generating tens of millions of dollars in merchandise sales alone. Since the 1970s, it had been a favorite of tie-dyed, drugged-out Deadheads who followed the band around the country. It gained mainstream momentum in the 1980s, and notable figures ultimately came out of the closet as fans, including Al Gore and former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld.

Still, as a registered Republican with an office in Beverly Hills, Mr. Kant, who died Oct. 19 in Reno, Nev., at age 77, seems an unlikely candidate to have spent three decades as lawyer to the San Francisco band, starting in 1971.

"I didn't hang out with them — they were not an important client to me financially , so I could be very independent," he told Mr. McNally for the publicist's history of the Grateful Dead, "A Long Strange Trip."

Mr. Kant said he never charged the band a percentage but only billed hourly, and insisted that the band pay managers a flat fee.

"Hal was the sounding board, the adult in the room" during the band's anarchic and consensus-driven meetings, Mr. McNally says. Although he ended up as a pioneer entertainment lawyer, much of Mr. Kant's practice was a general one, with specialties in tax and corporate law.

Born Harold Sanford Kant in Queens and raised in the Bronx, he was the son of immigrant Russian Jews in the dry-cleaning business. Itchy after attending City College for two years, he traveled west to Seattle and finished college at the University of Washington.

He earned a master's in psychology before service in the Navy during the Korean War, then used his G.I. Bill money to study law at Harvard, graduating in 1958. A clerkship on the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals took him back to the West Coast, and he went on to join a Beverly Hills law firm next door to the William Morris Agency.

Mr. Kant counted a few starlets among his early clients. His first musical client was the Association, to be followed by Captain Beefheart and Stevie Ray Vaughan, among others.

Asked in 2000 by the Boston Globe why he represented artists, he said, "The only attorneys in the music business were the attorneys for the record companies, and their job was to get as much money as they could for their company and leave as little as possible for the artists. I decided maybe the other guys should have an attorney, too."

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His background in psychology led him to work as director of the Legal and Behavioral Institute in California. While there, he was co-author of "Pornography and Social Deviance," which summarized the findings of President Richard Nixon's Commission of Obscenity and Pornography. To the president's consternation, the panel recommended decriminalizing pornography.

In 1983, Mr. Kant was producer of porn star Marilyn Chambers's first non-skin flick, "Angel of H.E.A.T.," an exploitation film so slight that that it may have created the straight-to-video category. "They wouldn't let me watch it while they filmed in the backyard," says his son, Jonas Kant, an entertainment lawyer for Sony ATV Music Publishing.

Mr. Kant was also a top poker player, known on the circuit as Dead Man Kant, puffing on long cigars. "Maybe it's a function of my personality," he said. "But I can't forget the beats . The winners? I can't remember them."

By the time he had won the Pot-Limit Omaha category in the 1987 World Series of Poker, he had given up most of his legal work outside of the Grateful Dead, as the band ascended. The Dead were a lively crew, and Mr. Kant attended to their occasional legal difficulties, settling the odd broken relationship or marijuana bust.

Jeff Furman, a lawyer who negotiated the ice cream detente for Ben & Jerry's, today part of Unilever, remembers the Czar in action.

After Mr. Kant notified the company that it was in violation, Ben Cohen the ice cream master sent a note to Jerry of the guitar licks, effectively saying, "Let's not deal with these idiot lawyers," recalls Mr. Furman, who is currently a member of Ben & Jerry's independent board. Mr. Furman says Mr. Garcia never responded, but that Mr. Kant got hold of the letter and blew up, threatening a defamation suit.

Mr. Furman flew out to L.A. to smooth things over and found Mr. Kant in good spirits, having just won his poker award. Mr. Furman says they briskly negotiated a deal.

Much of Mr. Kant's effort in the boom years was dedicated to tracking down rogue vendors selling unlicensed Grateful Dead paraphernalia, threatening the band's cash dynamo.

Entrepreneur Magazine in 1999 called the Dead "the L.L. Bean of rock music, sending out its combination fan magazine and catalog to more than 150,000 fans who can choose from among more than 500 Grateful Dead items, from golf balls to CDs, and from baby clothes to toothbrushes. ... just a fraction of the $60 million that all Grateful Dead items generate each year for the band, the record companies and outside licensees."

The emergence of the Internet made enforcing rights more chaotic, says Jonas Kant.

Musically, Hal Kant wasn't so devoted to the Dead. When it came to touring spectacles, he preferred Wagner's Ring Cycle.


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