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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:59pm

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I re-searched it on the Internetz!!!1!


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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:55pm

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Also from "Planet Today"... a sterling source of accurate information.


Not a good site, agreed
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:46pm

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I clicked on your $@#! link and got bombed with phishing attempts. Last time I take you seriously.


Google on Duck Duck Go this phrase, you can see it in the top of the list 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ukraine+fighters+are+bombing+civilians+max+blumenthal+grayzone&ia=web

This looks like the original, Don't go to those others, they are sketchy, I agree, this one I've heard of before

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/

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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:45pm

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I clicked on your $@#! link and got bombed with phishing attempts. Last time I take you seriously.


The article I provided did not and does not have any popups, I just checked it (edit - eeek, yes it is bad, don't use, I have provided a duck duck go search above)

However, the article provided by Red_Dragon did have weird popups. But it was not what I provided.

The one I provided was the second or third top pick in Duck Duck Go

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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:40pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:


Lol

although all i did was Google the phrase in the question and that's what duck duck go served up as the second pick

All the media has been lying for years about the Hunter Biden Laptop, so got to go to Planet Today or whatever for some alternate viewpoints


I clicked on your $@#! link and got bombed with phishing attempts. Last time I take you seriously.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 4:41pm

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Also from "Planet Today"... a sterling source of accurate information.


Lol

although all i did was Google the phrase in the question and that's what duck duck go served up as the second pick

All the media has been lying for years about the Hunter Biden Laptop, so got to go to Planet Today or whatever for some alternate viewpoints

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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 4:18pm

Also from "Planet Today"... a sterling source of accurate information.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 3:56pm

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“The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors”

Do you have evidence of this or do you have as Lazy8 put it a colorful history of making shit up?


Many articles about that, you can read and decide if you believe it



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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 3:25pm

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Eastern Ukraine and Crimea "in the end" will likely end up in the fully-Russian sphere

The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors

That is one reality

On another front of reality, 

If Putin keeps this going then he will make it unacceptable to save face, Europe will cut ties economically and that will harm Russia people who like the middle class lifestyle (and elite lifestyle).  So he may "win the war" in Eastern Ukraine but lose the nation's backing because it will become ostracized like North Korea

I don't see any Russian coup or succession plan, so this could continue for a long time


“The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors”

Do you have evidence of this or do you have as Lazy8 put it a colorful history of making shit up?
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 2:22pm

Dmitri A. Medvedev, the former Russian president and vice chairman of Russia’s Security Council, said the country was prepared to use nuclear weapons against the United States and Europe if its existence was threatened, the latest instance of nuclear saber-rattling as Russia faces fierce resistance in Ukraine.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 9:50pm

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Widely read? I might have doubled readership with my click. And now I feel a little dirty.

Better representative of the situation? This is a good snapshot of the situation. This one focuses on military aspects. But I want to point out some obvious flaws in the article you linked.

Putin has stated repeatedly that his objective is to reabsorb Ukraine into some kind of Greater Russia, and that Ukraine is a fictional entity (that his predecessors nonetheless signed a treaty with, recognizing it as a separate state and recognizing their shared border). A month into an invasion with the full might of the Russian military behind it Russia controls less than half the ground and Ukraine continues to fight.

This is all presaged by the continued fighting over eastern Ukraine, which Russian-backed militias were still contesting 8 years into the conflict.

If a further goal was to intimidate the rest of Europe that has failed spectacularly; even Finland is considering joining NATO. Little early to take that victory lap.


Eastern Ukraine and Crimea "in the end" will likely end up in the fully-Russian sphere

The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors

That is one reality

On another front of reality, 

If Putin keeps this going then he will make it unacceptable to save face, Europe will cut ties economically and that will harm Russia people who like the middle class lifestyle (and elite lifestyle).  So he may "win the war" in Eastern Ukraine but lose the nation's backing because it will become ostracized like North Korea

I don't see any Russian coup or succession plan, so this could continue for a long time
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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 9:39pm

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It's widely read and discussed, what is in that piece has many good points worthy of review.

perhaps you could post something that you feel better reflects the current situation?

Widely read? I might have doubled readership with my click. And now I feel a little dirty.

Better representative of the situation? This is a good snapshot of the situation. This one focuses on military aspects. But I want to point out some obvious flaws in the article you linked.

Putin has stated repeatedly that his objective is to reabsorb Ukraine into some kind of Greater Russia, and that Ukraine is a fictional entity (that his predecessors nonetheless signed a treaty with, recognizing it as a separate state and recognizing their shared border). A month into an invasion with the full might of the Russian military behind it Russia controls less than half the ground and Ukraine continues to fight.

This is all presaged by the continued fighting over eastern Ukraine, which Russian-backed militias were still contesting 8 years into the conflict.

If a further goal was to intimidate the rest of Europe that has failed spectacularly; even Finland is considering joining NATO. Little early to take that victory lap.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 4:54pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

So why are you posting it?


It's widely read and discussed, what is in that piece has many good points worthy of review.

perhaps you could post something that you feel better reflects the current situation?
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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 4:17pm

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Trained by the CIA in disinformation and he's turned it into a full-time career.

naked capitalism linked to the story and the one below it by Gilbert Doctorow might have been in the comments. 

Might be useful when building a crazy yarn wall

So why are you posting it?
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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 3:35pm

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So who is Larry C. Johnson? Well, he has a...colorful history of making shit up and getting Fox News to put it on the air. His wikipedia page is hilarious. Since the claims he makes are backed up by nothing but his own credibility I urge you to interrogate that.

Not under torture or anything, just read.



Trained by the CIA in disinformation and he's turned it into a full-time career.

naked capitalism linked to the story and the one below it by Gilbert Doctorow might have been in the comments. 

Might be useful when building a crazy yarn wall

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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 3:25pm

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Larry C. Johnson: "The Ukrainian Army Has Been Defeated. What's Left Is Mop-Up"

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Question 1– Can you explain to me why you think Russia is winning the war in Ukraine?


So who is Larry C. Johnson? Well, he has a...colorful history of making shit up and getting Fox News to put it on the air. His wikipedia page is hilarious. Since the claims he makes are backed up by nothing but his own credibility I urge you to interrogate that.

Not under torture or anything, just read.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 2:04pm

Larry C. Johnson: "The Ukrainian Army Has Been Defeated. What's Left Is Mop-Up"

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Question 1– Can you explain to me why you think Russia is winning the war in Ukraine?


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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 1:56pm

Cracks in the mainstream narrative on the Ukraine war wide enough to drive a tank through

Uncategorized March 22, 2022 4 Minutes

Today’s New York Times “Morning Briefing” distributed by email opens with:

Mariupol refuses to surrender
Residents of Mariupol, Ukraine, braced for renewed attacks after the Ukrainian government rejected Russia’s ultimatum to surrender the besieged and ravaged southern port city. Efforts to reach hundreds of thousands of people trapped there remained fraught with danger

Let us note the contradiction between the headline and the body of the report. It was not the city that refused to surrender but the government of Zelensky in Kiev that did so, even knowing the consequence will be continued suffering and death of the civilian population in the time it takes the Russian forces to “neutralize” the kamikaze Ukrainian militants entrenched in secure hide-outs they have built up over the past eight years. These include underground passages in the city’s many heavy industry manufacturing sites. The militants are still holding more than 100,000 residents hostage and shooting anyone trying to use the humanitarian corridors opened to them by the Russians. This we know from Russian television interviews with arriving refugees from Mariupol who managed to evade their Ukrainian captors by car or on foot. The mopping-up operation is likely to go on for more than a week to come, according to the Donbas military command, which is in charge of the task.

Further down the “Morning Briefing” we find the following:

Kyiv: A missile strike — one of the most powerful explosions to hit the Ukrainian capital since the invasion began — turned a once-bustling shopping mall into a smoldering ruin. Russian forces are aiming artillery, rockets and bombs at civilian as well as military targets, after failing to quickly seize control of Ukraine’s major cities.

Note: “once bustling shopping mall”. Here the attentive reader can smell a rat. The propagandist author is speaking about the complex’s function as a commercial hub in the past tense, because he/she knows that it had ceased to be commercial and became a military operations center in time present, and was therefore perfectly acceptable as a target for Russian attack. All of this is confirmed by the death toll that other mainstream media attribute to the Russian strike: 8 dead.

It is most interesting that this morning’s broadcast of BBC World News presents footage of the proofs from the Russian military command which the official spokesman General Igor Konashenkov showed yesterday on Russian state television: a reconnaissance drone capturing the arrival and departure of a Ukrainian military vehicle at the shopping center. Today’s BBC report directly acknowledges sotto voce that the center was being used for military purposes.

Lest the reader think that the BBC news writers have just become “agents of Putin,” the fact remains that BBC and other Western reporting retains its absolute blackout on a major feature of current Russian news reporting: the daily devastation and deaths in the Donbas republics of Donetsk and Lugansk caused by Ukrainian artillery and missile strikes from across the line of demarcation. The scenes of artillery strikes on hospitals and residential buildings in Donbas are a mirror image of what we are shown on the BBC and similar in Kiev and other major Ukrainian cities. Just as in Mariupol, the Ukrainian combatants adjacent to the Donbas are in well fortified positions that they have created over the past eight years in anticipation of this show-down and it may take carpet bombing to destroy them. But that is the subject of another essay I will issue later today.

Nor, to my knowledge, has the BBC or any other mainstream media outlet shown other proofs on Russian television that the supposed bombing damage of the theater in downtown Mariupol was a ‘false flag’ operation prepared by Ukrainian propagandists who had herded the civilians into the bomb shelter basement before blowing up the superstructure and laying the blame at the Russian attackers.

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We see the same kind of miniscule death toll from destruction of multistory apartment buildings in Ukrainian cities. In those cases, too, it attests to the fact that the civilian functions of the structures had been replaced by purely military use, meaning for embedding artillery and other strike weapons to attack Russian forces. All of this belies President Biden’s characterization of Russian military conduct as amounting to “war crimes” by its indiscriminate attack on civilian targets. Indeed, to my knowledge, such use of civilian structures to embed combatant units is itself an egregious war crime under the rubric ‘use of human shields.’

Finally, I note that the American ambassador in Moscow was yesterday called to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to receive written warning that Russia will sever diplomatic relations with the United States if Biden does not retract his words. The threat is very likely to be implemented, though only after the President’s visit to Brussels ends later this week. Surely the Russians do not want their cutting diplomatic ties with the United States to result in simultaneous, knee-jerk reaction of European leaders, resulting in severance of ties with all of Europe. However, that cannot be excluded at this point, when Europe is plotting to stop taking delivery of all Russian hydrocarbons, suicidal as this may be for the economies of the Old Continent.


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Posted: Mar 20, 2022 - 8:43pm

Yeah, he's losing...
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Posted: Mar 17, 2022 - 5:23pm

Putin’s Killing Machine That Isn’t Working

Low morale, corruption and bad leadership define Russia's military

John Sweeney
John Sweeney John Sweeney is a British investigative journalist who's worked for The Observer newspaper and the BBC's Panorama and Newsnight series
March 17, 2022

Fundamentally, the Russian army has turned out to be lacking, frankly, and there are three major reasons for this: poor morale, corruption and bad leadership.

Let’s start with the dead. A former British army special forces officer passing through Kyiv this week offered his analysis: “They’re not looking after their dead, and an army that does that tends to lose.” Morale of the Russian soldiers is low, poor, rotten — pick an adjective. The proof of that is the litter of corpses in Russian uniform after any major battle. A British man who has been serving in the Ukrainian army for some years said that five years ago, when the Russians attacked in the east, near Donetsk, one of the Ukrainians was killed and his body was in no man’s land. An officer insisted on a raiding party going in to get the body. “After that, our morale was very strong. We knew that even if we were going to die, our mates would look after us.”

The Russian army doesn’t look after its own. What goes for the dead goes for the injured too. Five years before the 2022 invasion, U.S. Army Capt. Nic Fiore wrote in a study of the Russian-Ukrainian war from 2014: “Medically, BTGs have very limited professional medical-evacuation (medevac) and field-treatment resources. Their inability to quickly get wounded soldiers advanced care increased deaths due to wounds, which had a large psychological effect, made their commanders more adverse to dismounted risk and reduced a BTG’s ability to regenerate combat power.”

In war, quantity is quality. The Russians hit Ukraine with 200,000 troops. But the Ukrainians have 200,000 in their armed forces and a further 100,000 in the police and other trained militia, even before you start counting the tractor drivers among the many willing volunteers. Invaders need a 3:1 ratio to defenders, so the Russians needed close to 1 million troops to have a good chance of winning. Which is why they are losing.

The Ukrainians say that 13,700 Russians have died. These numbers are impossible to verify, but pictures of the dead and the battles the Russians have lost suggest this number is not absurd. Out of caution, let’s assume the number of Russian dead to be 10,000. There is a rule of thumb that for every corpse, there are three injured soldiers. That would point to 30,000 injured or running away, so it’s likely that the Russians have lost 40,000 of their fighting force in the first three weeks of the war. That’s a fifth of the force they started with: not good for the collective spirit.

The Ukrainian website Euromaidan Press got hold of letters from Russian soldiers who have fought in the war refusing, point-blank, to go back. Sgt. Sapar M. Mirapov wrote to the commander of Military Unit #61899: “I consider it impossible to redeploy due to the unit’s poor organization, lack of communications and technical capability. , I arrived without understanding what I was doing there, without any explanation. I don’t want to be ‘cannon fodder.’ ”


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