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Posted: Nov 6, 2021 - 12:35pm

How Police Justify Killing Drivers: The Vehicle Was a Weapon
A Times investigation into a common defense for shooting motorists found that some officers had put themselves in danger. Others appeared to face no peril at all.
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Posted: Nov 2, 2021 - 9:14am

Two London police officers admit sharing photos of murdered sisters
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Posted: Oct 31, 2021 - 11:29am

Pulled Over: What to Know About Deadly Police Traffic Stops
A New York Times investigation examines why traffic stops can escalate into fatal encounters and how hidden financial incentives increase the risks.
  • Over the last five years, The Times found, the police killed more than 400 drivers or passengers who were not wielding a gun or a knife or under pursuit for a violent crime.
  • Traffic stops — which are often motivated by hidden budgetary considerations because of the ticket revenue they generate — are the most common interactions between police officers and the public. Yet the police consider them among the most dangerous things they do.
  • That presumption of peril has been significantly overstated, but it has become ingrained in police culture and court precedents — contributing to impunity for most officers who use lethal force at vehicle stops.

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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 10:19am

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Captain Obvious, "Why would anyone bite their feeding hands?"
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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 10:10am

Tool for police reform rarely used by local prosecutors
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Posted: Aug 20, 2021 - 5:24am

Hundreds of cases are being reviewed after police officers involved were relieved of duty over racist and anti-Semitic messages
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Posted: Jun 11, 2021 - 5:12am

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Posted: May 18, 2021 - 4:29pm

If they did nothing wrong, why the need for discipline and retraining?
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Posted: Apr 22, 2021 - 6:41am

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yea he probably should have waited on that
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Posted: Apr 22, 2021 - 5:01am

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Posted: Apr 22, 2021 - 4:01am

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If the girl in Ohio was attacking me with that knife I would want the cop to shoot her.  
 
On FB I just saw the predictable post by Common who does good work in the community, but am terribly disappointed that he is contributing to the problem.  Like clockwork, the picture of the "girl" in pigtails taken 5-10 years ago was posted with the usual rhetoric of this has to stop, this poor little girl, blah, blah, blah.  They can disband the police if they want, but at some point the black community is going to have to face their issues.....or not.{#Sad}  White people in general are absolutely powerless at this juncture in history other than to prostate themselves for self glory at the cult of victimhood exacerbating the situation, it is ultimately up to the black community.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2021 - 3:54am

If the girl in Ohio was attacking me with that knife I would want the cop to shoot her.  
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Posted: Apr 21, 2021 - 10:55pm

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OK.  Just had a really dumb question pop into my head.  Here it is:

Is it not possible to train police officers to shoot to immobilize without killing the suspect?

Sure, but you have to be prepared for the tactic to fail spectacularly.

In a defensive situation—where you're shooting someone who is trying to kill you or others—The goal is not to kill or wound but to stop. You usually have milliseconds to make the call. You shoot for the biggest, easiest target: the center of mass. If you try and aim for a smaller target it will take longer and fail more often. Your shots will head off into the background rather than the target and you're more likely to fail at the goal of stopping the fight.

If you think that's easy enough to do under life-and-death pressure I invite you to try it. Not for real, but against the clock. You're up in Canadia so that will require jumping thru an awful lot of hoops and may not be possible at all; it's straightforward enough here in the states.

There are popular forms of competitive shooting that attempt to duplicate the pressure, confusion, and pace of an actual gun fight. Obviously the stakes are a lot lower, but you'd be surprised how effective it can be at disrupting the shooter's composure and forcing errors.

And that's in a situation where you know what's about to happen and where you know a mistake isn't going to kill anyone. It can be pretty eye-opening.

Once you have that perspective think about a real-world situation, where your first mistake could be your last, or an innocent bystander's last, or your partner's, or a crime victim's. Where you never know if the guy you just pulled over is desperate/high/angry enough to kill people to avoid being arrested. Where most civilians will be offended by your not knowing that, and taking steps to protect yourself. Armchair SWAT officers can second-guess at their leisure and pontificate that you should just train more, but the decisions that get made usually happen with a huge amount of ambiguity, in poor light, in a big hurry, with lots of distractions. And those decisions get made by humans.

So the doctrine is kept as simple as possible: aim for the center of mass, shoot until the threat is gone. And I'm fine with that. And understanding that—and the inevitable connection between that threat of violence and the notion that there ought to be a law—makes me want to put people in that situation as seldom as possible, and only for very good reasons.


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Posted: Apr 21, 2021 - 10:31pm

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OK.  Just had a really dumb question pop into my head.  Here it is:

Is it not possible to train police officers to shoot to immobilize without killing the suspect?

 
That is a very old question much older than the existence of such things like tasers.  The answer is the same now as it was then, No.

It is why we now have things like tasers.  An alternative to guns.  Sometimes even guns are not enough to stop someone in time.

Simply put, the use of a gun is the use of a deadly force.  To be used only in certain circumstances, such as here in Columbus, Ohio the other day, when it was used to save the victim from immediate and real harm.  Hesitate and two people might be dead instead of one.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021 - 5:03pm

OK.  Just had a really dumb question pop into my head.  Here it is:

Is it not possible to train police officers to shoot to immobilize without killing the suspect?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021 - 4:54pm

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More police die by suicide than by other causes?   I did not know that.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2021 - 4:17pm

Grim list of deaths at police hands grows even after verdict
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Posted: Apr 19, 2021 - 9:44am

Few Charges, Fewer Convictions: The Chauvin Trial and the History of Police Violence
A review of 19 deaths of Black Americans involving police officers shows that, despite public outrage, guilty verdicts are rare.
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Posted: Apr 13, 2021 - 7:37am

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Never mind that the Taser is a bright banana yellow...

I don't know what magic BillG used to turn bold back on but it sure shows up now. 

Yeah, I saw the footage, and I don't know where to start...

The location and timing was perfect though, I'll give her that much. Ugh.
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edit: The officer is a 26-year veteran. 

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