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Posted: Jan 21, 2024 - 8:21am

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Then by your own definition, it was not a good idea to shut down 
thermo-electric coal plants after all.

Once again, the cart was put in front of the horse.

History has shown us that this never works.

......

No.   Not at all.  Simply that additional natural gas electrical generating capacity would have provided a larger buffer.  In the background, the hydro-electric generating capacity in Manitoba is not proving to be as reliable as many would have anticipated.

Please note that Alberta did not suffer rolling blackouts like Texas.  Let's put Alberta's recent 'crisis' in perspective.  

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Posted: Jan 21, 2024 - 6:44am

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wtf?  okay timmy.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2024 - 1:40am

Fear not guys you can leave your Lithium in the ground. Australia has so much of the stuff that they have been digging up  that there is now  such a surplus that some miners are mothballing their plots .
https://www.bbc.com/future/art...
https://www.afr.com/companies/...

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Posted: Jan 19, 2024 - 10:50pm

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Jesus, you are tiresome. This is why I don't like you.
 
Liar.  You hate me.  You are obsessed with me.

Now that that is cleared up ...


here's 12 seconds of googlework that I did for you: 
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/03...
 

Thanks for your 12 seconds of effort.  I just spent 12 hours doing the following research.  But as our resident Mr Knowitall, I'm sure that all of the following is old news to you.  I learned quite a bit though and what I found pretty much confirms what I have been saying and you have been dissing.
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So you are putting your eggs in California and Gavin Newsome's basket ?  That is your proof ?  {#Roflol}

Newsome (and most dems) just see this as something new to tax.

The opposition to mining "rare' earths in the US is enormous and widespread throughout the progressive wing of the democrat party and many others for the famous NIMBY reason.  Lithium is not the only one needed, btw.

A lithium mine in my backyard?

Plans To Dig the Biggest Lithium Mine in the US Face Mounting Opposition

Resistance to Lithium Americas' plans to dig an element critical to the energy transition at Nevada's Thacker Pass shows that “clean” energy could face the same challenges as fossil fuels.

NASA opposes lithium mining at tabletop flat Nevada desert site used to calibrate satellites

RENO, Nev. (AP) — Environmentalists, tribal leaders and others have fought for years against lithium mining ventures in Nevada. Yet opposition to mining one particular desert tract for the silvery white metal used in electric car batteries is coming from unusual quarters: space.

An ancient Nevada lakebed beckons as a vast source of the coveted element needed to produce cleaner electric energy and fight global warming. But NASA says the same site — flat as a tabletop and undisturbed like none other in the Western Hemisphere — is indispensable for calibrating the razor-sharp measurements of hundreds of satellites orbiting overhead.

The bureau has spent nearly three years fighting mining challenges of all sorts from conservationists, tribes, ranchers and others who want to overturn approval of a huge lithium mine in the works in northwest Nevada near the Oregon line.

The Carson City, Nevada, company holding most of the mining claims, 3 Proton Lithium Inc., had not submitted any formal project plans in 2021 when NASA requested the land withdrawal. But the firm claimed to have done extensive research in anticipation of future plans to extract the brine-based lithium resource it said is one of the 10 largest deposits in the world.

Chairman Kevin Moore said the tract’s withdrawal likely will prevent his energy company from pumping the “super brine” from about one-third of its claims there, including the deepest, richest deposits holding about 60% of the site’s value. He joined Amodei in testifying last week before the House Resources Subcommittee on Mining and Mineral Resources.

“This project is a vital part of transitioning to a green economy, creating good-paying American jobs, combating climate change, ending America’s over-reliance on foreign adversaries and securing a domestic supply chain for critical and rare earth minerals,” Moore said.


Here's the ultimate illustrations of my claim.

Feds launching review of mine at site of endangered flower

Conservationists who oppose the mine don’t believe Ioneer’s environmental mitigation plans will pass legal muster. They stand ready to resume court challenges if necessary to protect the plants on the high-desert ridge where the mine is planned halfway between Las Vegas and Reno near the California border.

“We’re gearing up for a fight,” said Patrick Donnelly, Great Basin director at the Center for Biological Diversity, which petitioned for the flower’s listing in 2019 and sued last year to expedite protection under the Endangered Species Act.

“The recent endangered species listing gives us the most powerful tool in the conservation toolbox to prevent extinction of this rare, beautiful wildflower,” Donnelly said.

Ioneer’s is the first lithium project to be issued a notice of intent to conduct a formal environmental review under the Biden administration.

Executive Director James Calaway said it’s “a significant step toward ensuring a strong domestic supply of critical minerals and strategic materials necessary for development of a domestic battery supply chain essential to the electrification of transportation in the U.S.”

At the same time, the internal conflict unfolding within the Interior Department agencies demonstrates some of the challenges Biden faces as he promotes an aggressive shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy resources.

“It’s a real failure of leadership at Interior to have these agencies directly undermining each other like this,” Donnelly said.

The same dynamic is at play in a federal court battle over a Nevada toad USFWS declared endangered earlier this month and a geothermal power plant the BLM has approved in the adjacent wetlands about 100 miles (160 kilometers) east of Reno.


Meanwhile, elsewhere in the country ...

Gem Hunters Found the Lithium America Needs. Maine Won’t Let Them Dig It Up

The timing of their discovery, in what has been named Plumbago North, is remarkable; the Freemans have stumbled across one of the only hard-rock sources of lithium in the U.S. at a time when the material is desperately needed for the clean energy transition. By 2040, the world will need at least 1.1 million metric tons of lithium annually, more than ten times what it currently produces, according to projections by the International Energy Agency. Should the Maine deposit be mined, it could be worth as much as $1.5 billion, a huge windfall for the Freemans and a boon to the Biden Administration’s efforts to jumpstart more domestic mining, processing, and recycling of critical minerals such as lithium, cobalt, and rare earth elements to reduce the U.S.’ dependence on China. This is one of the few lithium deposits in the U.S. currently found in hard rock, which means it is higher-quality and faster to process than lithium mined from brine.
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“Our gold rush mentality regarding oil has fueled the climate crisis,” says State Rep. Margaret O’Neil, who presented a bill last session that would have halted lithium mining for five years while the state worked out rules (the legislation ultimately failed). “As we facilitate our transition away from fossil fuels, we must examine the risks of lithium mining and consider whether the benefits of mining here in Maine justify the harms.”
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Advocates for mining in the U.S. argue that, since the country outsources most of its mining to places with less strict environmental and labor regulations, those harms are currently being born by foreign residents, while putting U.S. manufacturers in the precarious position of depending on faraway sources for the minerals they need.
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There is only one operational lithium mine in the U.S., in Nevada, and one operational rare earth element mine, in Mountain Pass, Calif., meaning that the U.S. is dependent on other countries for the materials essential for clean energy technologies like batteries, wind turbines, and solar panels. Even after they’re mined, those materials currently have to be shipped to China for processing since the U.S. does not have any processing facilities.

“If we’re talking about critical metals and materials, we’re so far behind that it’s crazy,” says Corby Anderson, a professor at the Colorado School of Mines. “It’s the dichotomy of the current administration—they have incentives for electric vehicles and all these things, but they need materials like graphite, manganese, nickel, cobalt, lithium, and copper. The only one we mine and refine in this country is copper.”
Lastly ...

JB Straubel Has a Fix for the Battery Problem

... in April the U.S. Senate called Straubel to give expert testimony on resources needed for the energy transition. He doesn’t much like the spotlight, though. “The engineering challenges are the fun part,” Straubel says in an interview. “This is more difficult.”

We need massive quantities of batteries to power a global energy transition and avert cataclysmic climate change. To produce them,

we will need to mine more metals like lithium and cobalt than have been extracted in all of human history.

U.S. companies have started planning huge new battery factories, but Straubel thinks we won’t have enough materials to supply them, not to mention that nearly all the world’s facilities to process those materials are in Asia, meaning they will have travel 10,000 miles before we can use them.

The biggest obstacle to overcome, other than the resistance of environmentalists is what to do with the mining spoils / tailings.  They, in reality as we know and have learned from the days of the Gold Rush going forward is that the tailings are more dangerous and environmentally unfriendly than nuclear waste, the amount of which is miniscule when compared to a mining effort that will cumulatively be larger than the entire history of mining on this planet as illustrated in my last source stated above.  The environmentalists have already brought this issue up.  So how do you overcome that ?
I am sure that I'll be getting a TL, DR from you and most everyone else but what I've found is that EV's and the push for them is not ready for prime time and won't be for a long while yet.  But, it surely will happen in its own time, because it makes sense.  You all just don't have the patience to get there without bankrupting this country before we get there, which will make the hole thing meaningless as we will have been enslaved by China long before.  You know China, the little country that is putting a new coal fired power plant online every week and sucking up our money to build them and supply the needed resources we don't have because the environmentalists won't let us use them.

Have a nice day Ahab.

Yours truly,

Your White Whale ...
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Posted: Jan 19, 2024 - 7:36am

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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 11:53pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 In his first paragraph, kurtster wrote about years of discussion of nuclear reactors:

....Thorium reactors that miami has been doing the same here for years. He is the one who brought this to my attention.  There are other mini reactors ...
 and then with his next breath, kurtster wrote:

Nuclear reactors are not allowed to be discussed. 
 
Does that really need to be explained ?

Since you require an explanation, here try these out for size ...

Nuclear Power is Not a Climate Solution

10 Reasons to Oppose Nuclear Energy

9. Competition with renewables

Investment in nuclear plants, security, mining infrastructure, etc. draws funding away from investment in cleaner sources such as wind, solar, and geothermal.

Financing for renewable energy is already scarce, and increasing nuclear capacity will only add to the competition for funding.


What We Need: No New Nukes

Nuclear energy is diverting attention and investment from the sustainable energy solutions we need.

It’s time to stop building new nuclear facilities, phase out the ones that exist, and focus on clean energy for the future.

 
Need more ?  I can keep going 

 


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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 2:49pm

 In his first paragraph, kurtster wrote about years of discussion of nuclear reactors:

....Thorium reactors that miami has been doing the same here for years. He is the one who brought this to my attention.  There are other mini reactors ...


 and then with his next breath, kurtster wrote:

Nuclear reactors are not allowed to be discussed. 



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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 1:39pm

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Jesus, you are tiresome. This is why I don't like you.

here's 12 seconds of googlework that I did for you: 
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/03...

And I'm well on record here saying the green power that will save us is the kind that glows green. Here's a post from 14 years ago with that sentiment: https://radioparadise.com/comm...

I'm sorry...but damn he's good lookin' ...



As for nuclear, a major hurdle for the Right has become Bill Gates.  Any guy who is tracking us through the COVID vaccine can't be lauded for building nuclear reactors. 
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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 12:45pm

Discourses of climate delay

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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 10:47am

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Oh, I forgot about advocating for Thorium reactors that miami has been doing the same here for years. He is the one who brought this to my attention.  There are other mini reactors that use other elements for fuel.  And how about superconductors to improve transmission and efficiency.

Nuclear reactors are not allowed to be discussed. No one wants to look at anything other than solar and wind for alternatives as has been widely demonstrated here and elsewhere. These two solutions only benefit the CCP and make us even more dependent on them, which is the biggest problem of all of this.  That is what makes this whole debate just virtue signaling and nothing more.  And those who point this out are always called, wait for it ... deniers.

Bullshit.

Edit:  I'll take this even further.  The push for EV's makes us totally dependent on the CCP for the rare earths needed to make batteries.  And once again any effort to explore and develop rare earth mining here in the US is quashed by the democrats and their lunatic fringe environmental progressives.  The same ones getting in the way of rebuilding our power grid for the same reasons.


Jesus, you are tiresome. This is why I don't like you.

here's 12 seconds of googlework that I did for you: 
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/03...


And I'm well on record here saying the green power that will save us is the kind that glows green. Here's a post from 14 years ago with that sentiment: https://radioparadise.com/comm...
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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 8:03am

 islander wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Not true.  I have been arguing for rebuilding and especially hardening the grid to survive an EMP and Coronal Mass Ejections such as the Carrington Event for years.

You realize that this is not the same as advocating for supporting alt energy sources?
 
Oh, I forgot about advocating for Thorium reactors that miami has been doing the same here for years. He is the one who brought this to my attention.  There are other mini reactors that use other elements for fuel.  And how about superconductors to improve transmission and efficiency.

Nuclear reactors are not allowed to be discussed. No one wants to look at anything other than solar and wind for alternatives as has been widely demonstrated here and elsewhere. These two solutions only benefit the CCP and make us even more dependent on them, which is the biggest problem of all of this.  That is what makes this whole debate just virtue signaling and nothing more.  And those who point this out are always called, wait for it ... deniers.

Bullshit.

Edit:  I'll take this even further.  The push for EV's makes us totally dependent on the CCP for the rare earths needed to make batteries.  And once again any effort to explore and develop rare earth mining here in the US is quashed by the democrats and their lunatic fringe environmental progressives.  The same ones getting in the way of rebuilding our power grid for the same reasons.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 7:41am

 kurtster wrote:

Not true.  I have been arguing for rebuilding and especially hardening the grid to survive an EMP and Coronal Mass Ejections such as the Carrington Event for years.



You realize that this is not the same as advocating for supporting alt energy sources?

 kurtster wrote:
For that I have been called a lunatic and a conspiracy theorist.  You are one of those who have mocked me on these concerns.


This wasn't the only reason.

kurtster wrote:

Your short and convenient memory.

pot/kettle. I might be wrong, but I don't recall you supporting any alternatives, and frequently arguing for the status quo mostly as a 'just because'. And yes, you have many crazy conspiracy theories. Some of them may align slightly with real world events - that doesn't make them correct, or you especially insightful.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 7:35am

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But have you ever advocated for subsidies to bring on more alt capacity? No, you argued that if it needed subsidies it wasn't viable, all while ignoring the constant and ongoing support of fossil fuels.  This is proof to me that your are disingenuous in your argument and simply pick the point that supports what you want today.  You like the status quo because it works well enough for you and keeps others down. You fear the change because it might mean someone else gets to use an advantage that you've held exclusively. 
 
Not true.  I have been arguing for rebuilding and especially hardening the grid to survive an EMP and Coronal Mass Ejections such as the Carrington Event for years.  Well before Musk and Tesla even got onto the drawing board.

For that I have been called a lunatic and a conspiracy theorist.  You are one of those who have mocked me on these concerns.

The cost for this when I first started mentioning this was only $2 billion dollars.  A rounding error in any government program.  The cost now is an estimated $15 to $20 billion.  Guess who we have to get the transformers and capacitors from ?  China and it takes about a year from order to delivery.  That has probably gotten longer, too.

Your short and convenient memory.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2024 - 7:25am

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Then by your own definition, it was not a good idea to shut down thermo-electric coal plants after all.

Once again, the cart was put in front of the horse.

History has shown us that this never works.

Those who do not learn from history ...

What is that pesky definition of insanity ?

This is proof (to me) that the insane are in charge.


But have you ever advocated for subsidies to bring on more alt capacity? No, you argued that if it needed subsidies it wasn't viable, all while ignoring the constant and ongoing support of fossil fuels.  This is proof to me that your are disingenuous in your argument and simply pick the point that supports what you want today.  You like the status quo because it works well enough for you and keeps others down. You fear the change because it might mean someone else gets to use an advantage that you've held exclusively. 

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Posted: Jan 16, 2024 - 10:57pm

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It was a good idea to shut down thermo-electric coal plants but insufficient capacity replaced it.  
 
Then by your own definition, it was not a good idea to shut down thermo-electric coal plants after all.

Once again, the cart was put in front of the horse.

History has shown us that this never works.

Those who do not learn from history ...

What is that pesky definition of insanity ?

This is proof (to me) that the insane are in charge.
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Posted: Jan 16, 2024 - 10:36pm

2023 in climate change

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Posted: Jan 14, 2024 - 11:55am

The high risk of rolling blackouts in the energy-rich province of Alberta has subsided.   Poor planning.  

It was a good idea to shut down thermo-electric coal plants but insufficient capacity replaced it.  
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