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sirdroseph

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Posted: Nov 29, 2022 - 11:18am

haresfur

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 4:59pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
One can only hope. 
{#Pray}
The destruction of NATO and ultimately the EU itself is what the world needs much more than another folk singer.
 
 

I don't see the EU as much threat to the rest of the world or to their people compared to the United States.

And I don't see the US as much of a threat compared to Russia.

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 1:24pm

Buzzword last heard around 2003...

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 12:16pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Yeah, when will we learn that an empire's wars of conquest need to be stopped at the beginning, that no amount of appeasement will ever be enough? That facing that empire only gets harder over time, that the stakes keep rising?

Europe (and the world) had an opportunity in 2008, another in 2014., to stop this. Instead we listened to voices like this that remind us that conflict between nations is unpleasant and wars are terrible,...but they never mention that if they aren't stopped early then the conflict gets worse and the next war will be even more terrible.

What he (and you) are counseling is to not fight, to leave the field to the aggressor. To surrender our way to peace. Appeasement. Where does that end? What kind of world does that leave us with?

Not a world without war, but a world where war is a successful strategy. A world ruled by most ruthless.

And the people who get trampled along the way? Fuck them. They aren't us.

Yet.

If the Russians take Ukraine (which may not be your preferred outcome from all this, but it definitely is the preferred outcome for the talking heads you keep promoting) then would Russia invading, say, Poland, or the Baltic countries, or Finland bother you? That seems t be on the ultra-nationalist agenda in Russia. When should we start opposing the expansion of this cruel, despotic empire?

Or should we just keep letting it take what it wants? If that isn't what you're advocating tells us what it is you are. What's your plan here?



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miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 10:50am

mearsheimer has been called out (again) for being intellectually dishonest and promoting appeasement


Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 9:17am

 sirdroseph wrote:
From comment section:
 
"We're gonna fight to the last Ukrainian" sounded as "Wollt ihr den..." to me from the start. And it's always the people who suffer, never the so-called 'elite'. When will we the people ever learn?
 

Yeah, when will we learn that an empire's wars of conquest need to be stopped at the beginning, that no amount of appeasement will ever be enough? That facing that empire only gets harder over time, that the stakes keep rising?

Europe (and the world) had an opportunity in 2008, another in 2014., to stop this. Instead we listened to voices like this that remind us that conflict between nations is unpleasant and wars are terrible,...but they never mention that if they aren't stopped early then the conflict gets worse and the next war will be even more terrible.

What he (and you) are counseling is to not fight, to leave the field to the aggressor. To surrender our way to peace. Appeasement. Where does that end? What kind of world does that leave us with?

Not a world without war, but a world where war is a successful strategy. A world ruled by most ruthless.

And the people who get trampled along the way? Fuck them. They aren't us.

Yet.

If the Russians take Ukraine (which may not be your preferred outcome from all this, but it definitely is the preferred outcome for the talking heads you keep promoting) then would Russia invading, say, Poland, or the Baltic countries, or Finland bother you? That seems t be on the ultra-nationalist agenda in Russia. When should we start opposing the expansion of this cruel, despotic empire?

Or should we just keep letting it take what it wants? If that isn't what you're advocating tells us what it is you are. What's your plan here?

sirdroseph

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 5:07am

From comment section:
 
"We're gonna fight to the last Ukrainian" sounded as "Wollt ihr den..." to me from the start. And it's always the people who suffer, never the so-called 'elite'. When will we the people ever learn?
 
sirdroseph

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Posted: Nov 26, 2022 - 4:44am

One can only hope. {#Pray} The destruction of NATO and ultimately the EU itself is what the world needs much more than another folk singer.
 
 
Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 25, 2022 - 4:03pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Skepticism good. Reflexive contrarianism bad.

Yeah, it's a war of propaganda. It's also an actual war, and there are actual facts—and dead bodies, and pieces of missiles being fired at civilians—to discover. 
haresfur

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Posted: Nov 25, 2022 - 1:39pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

A war of propaganda, except for the Ukrainian people who had their houses destroyed an people killed by the Russian invaders. There is a simple end to the war: Russia gives up on their invasion and leaves.

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Posted: Nov 25, 2022 - 4:10am

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Posted: Nov 24, 2022 - 9:06pm

 thisbody wrote:
That's not what was intended by the one you answered to. Although feeling what he meant, your sarcasm in reply clearly shows this is not allowed in your own realm of thinking.

C'mon, that was an easy pitch. If you want to actually engage then you actually make a point.

To wit: If you are afraid to say what you mean out loud and have to resort to snide innuendo, perhaps what you have to say really is as crazy as it sounds.

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Posted: Nov 24, 2022 - 11:00am

 Lazy8 wrote:
Perhaps how, with all the world's information available with little effort, free people can still cheerlead for authoritarian despots?

That's not what was intended by the one you answered to. Although feeling what he meant, your sarcasm in reply clearly shows this is not allowed in your own realm of thinking.

Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 24, 2022 - 7:56am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
err.. don't get what?

Perhaps how, with al the world's information available with little effort, free people can still cheerlead for authoritarian despots?
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 24, 2022 - 4:28am

 westslope wrote:

You just do not get it, do you? 

Shakes head in frustration....... 



err.. don't get what?
westslope

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Posted: Nov 23, 2022 - 8:48am

 Lazy8 wrote:

.....

Yes, this is long—but it goes a long way to explaining why the Russian military has performed so poorly despite having (at least on paper) such overwhelming numerical superiority. I recommend this YouTube channel very highly—it provides a lot of insight into both the nuts-and-bolts and big picture of the logistics of modern warfare.

And Big Serge is deep in the vranyo.

You just do not get it, do you? 

Shakes head in frustration....... 

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Posted: Nov 22, 2022 - 2:39am

Both Democrats and establishment Republicans are equally treasonous:
 
 
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Posted: Nov 16, 2022 - 3:35pm

Poland, NATO say missile strike wasn’t a Russian attack
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Posted: Nov 16, 2022 - 1:50pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Can't be. Russia ran out of missiles (and everything else) months ago...
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