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DaveInSaoMiguel
Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA Gender:
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miamizsun
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Feb 12, 2013 - 2:29pm |
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kurtster wrote:This reminds me of the couple of articles you posted a year ago or so, where the focus was on local arsenals being built up and the articles about how nearly every .gov department ( including the National Weather Service, aka NOAA) had litterally bought up several billion rounds of bullets. Several kinds of which have been outlawed for war by the Geneva Convention. This happened under Obama, not Bush.
It works out to the .gov having nearly 100 rounds for every man, woman and child in the US. This does not include what our military has on hand, either. Its in addition to what the military has.
The only one's wearing tin foil hats these days are the ones saying that we who bring these things to light are wearing them. i don't recall that off of the the top of my head, however i do recall posting some stuff about the "militarization" of police departments for quite some time our big spending war machine has been "dumping" literally everything used or surplussed on our police departments i know posted some stuff from Wired Mag (like this) "Small police departments across America are collecting battlefield-grade arsenals thanks to a program that allows them to get their hands on military surplus equipment – amphibious tanks, night-vision goggles, and even barber chairs or underwear – at virtually no cost, except for shipment and maintenance. Over the last five years, the top 10 beneficiaries of this “Department of Defense Excess Property Program” included small agencies such as the Fairmount Police Department. It serves 7,000 people in northern Georgia and received 17,145 items from the military. The cops in Issaquah, Washington, a town of 30,000 people, acquired more than 37,000 items (Note: Any pound of expended brass cartridges were counted as one single item by the Defense Logistics Agency, the federal agency that manages the program.) In 2011 alone, more than 700,000 items were transferred to police departments for a total value of $500 million. This year, as of May 15, police departments already acquired almost $400 million worth of stuff. Last year’s record would have certainly been shattered if the Arizona Republic hadn’t revealed in early May that a local police department used the program to stockpile equipment – and then sold the gear to others, something that is strictly forbidden. Three weeks after the revelation, the Pentagon decided to partly suspend distribution of surplus material until all agencies could put together an up-to-date inventory of all the stuff they got through the years. A second effort, which gives federal grants to police departments to purchase equipment, is still ongoing, however. According to the Center for Investigative Reporting, since 9/11, the grants have totaled $34 billion. Which means billions of dollars’ worth of military gear are in the hands of small-town cops who neither need the equipment nor are properly trained to use it, critics charge. At best, it’s a waste of resources (since the gear still has to be maintained). At worst, it could cost lives. Take the 50-officer police department in Oxford, Alabama, a town of 20,000 people. It has stockpiled around $3 million of equipment, ranging from M-16s and helmet-mounted infrared goggles to its own armored vehicle, a Puma. In Tupelo, Mississippi, home to 35,000, the local police acquired a helicopter for only $7,500 through the surplus program. The chopper, however, had to be upgraded for $100,000 and it now costs $20,000 a year in maintenance. The Nebraska State Patrol has three amphibious eight-wheeled tanks. Acquired almost three years ago, their highest achievement has been helping with a flood last year and with a shooting a couple of weeks ago. Overall, it has been deployed five times. At least, officers love driving them. “They’re fun,” said trooper Art Frerichs to the Lincoln Journal Star in 2010. And the ride, according to Patrol Sgt. Loveless, “is very smooth.” In Lebanon, Tennessee, a town of less than 30,000 people, Mike Justice, the public safety coordinator, was so eager to accumulate military goods that he used to wake up at 3:00 a.m. so he was the first person logged in at the government’s first-come, first-serve online store. Thanks to his sleepless nights, since 2007, Lebanon has collected $4 million worth of stuff, including tanks, weapons and heavy equipment like bulldozers and truck loaders. Lebanon’s tank, an LAV 150, has been used only “five or six times,” according to Justice. Although it did help save a man who tried to commit suicide, spotting him with the tank’s infrared camera."
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sirdroseph
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Feb 12, 2013 - 1:44pm |
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bokey wrote: If you want a good tin foil hat theory-when cattle prices are already supposed to increase this year,why is the government furloughing USDA meat inspectors and causing plant shutdowns starting next month?
I think they are trying to create an artificial shortage to cause unrest(while making a shitload of $$$),thereby justifying the "next" step.
A couple news cycles of Soviet Russia like supermarket lines coupled with fisticuffs for food footage( see what I did there?) should advance the agenda nicely.
I like to come up with my own CT's by taking 2 ,adding 2 and seeing if it comes out 4 down the road.
I'd plan on chicken dogs for the 4th of July.
Stay tuned.
Chicken prices are setting record highs too.
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sirdroseph
Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 1:43pm |
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kurtster wrote:Not trying to start fights, trust me, please. My tin foil hat remark is subject to snark, but OTOH, its been dished out frequently, so alls fair. Moving on, I indepently found your snopes link along the way to finding the one I refered to and am now sharing and was even going to include it showing how out of date it is on this subject, especially in comparison to the info I am refering to. So thanks for sharing the snopes link and saving me the typing. We chose to believe in different things, and see the same things differently colored by the prisms we view things through. I seem to be much less charitable than you in assessing the actions of our .gov that have been put in the sunshine lately. That will be my last reference to tin foil (maybe ). I can laugh at myself now and then and be laughed at as well, without umbridge. peace ! Kurt, saw this one before from a couple of different sources. As a reloader of course this concerned me. When I have time later will try to find the other sources. But then again it probably wouldn't matter to those here who think that every bit of slightly nefarious information just means your paranoid. As you say Kurt, nothing to see here, just us crazy people posting their loony conspiracies for their entertainment.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 12:50pm |
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buzz wrote:My apologies—those were not buzz words.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 11:49am |
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kurtster wrote:Moving on, I indepently found your snopes link along the way to finding the one I refered to and am now sharing and was even going to include it showing how out of date it is on this subject, especially in comparison to the info I am refering to. So thanks for sharing the snopes link and saving me the typing. We chose to believe in different things, and see the same things differently colored by the prisms we view things through. I seem to be much less charitable than you in assessing the actions of our .gov that have been put in the sunshine lately. That will be my last reference to tin foil (maybe ). I can laugh at myself now and then and be laughed at as well, without umbridge. peace ! Fort Drum is Fort Drum, not "our military". If they are acting contrary to Pentagon policy (which it seems they are) somebody will get a spanking, unless the Pentagon gets reversed in the current hysteria over ARs. Even Bill Clinton failed to shut down the DCM surplus sale program. Sound the alarm when when you've got something real.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 11:14am |
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bokey wrote: If you want a good tin foil hat theory-when cattle prices are already supposed to increase this year,why is the government furloughing USDA meat inspectors and causing plant shutdowns starting next month?
I think they are trying to create an artificial shortage to cause unrest(while making a shitload of $$$),thereby justifying the "next" step.
A couple news cycles of Soviet Russia like supermarket lines coupled with fisticuffs for food footage( see what I did there?) should advance the agenda nicely.
I like to come up with my own CT's by taking 2 ,adding 2 and seeing if it comes out 4 down the road.
I'd plan on chicken dogs for the 4th of July.
Stay tuned.
I saw that already. More fear tactics built around dealing with sequester preparations. Which Biden promised us would never happen during the VP debates.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 11:12am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: Examiner.com is not a real news source. The authors of articles get paid for hits. Period. So writing a factual article takes a back seat to writing an article that will get shared a lot.
Here's a linked article in the one from the examiner, from a respected site. Often used by NPR and NYT. I wasn't really up for all this today, I was just commenting on the couple of posts made earlier and am so sorry that I chose to mention tin foil hats. Guess it has gotten too touchy around here to mention them anymore. I'm outa here, gotta go down and see Ma now. C'ya.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Feb 12, 2013 - 11:06am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: Examiner.com is not a real news source. The authors of articles get paid for hits. Period. So writing a factual article takes a back seat to writing an article that will get shared a lot.
I hand loaded for years and never used any surplus brass. Until recently it was difficult to do so anyway because military ammunition used a different priming system. Among the folks I knew in the hobby, military surplus brass wasn't of much interest.
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bokey
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Feb 12, 2013 - 11:05am |
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kurtster wrote:Not trying to start fights, trust me, please. My tin foil hat remark is subject to snark, but OTOH, its been dished out frequently, so alls fair. Moving on, I indepently found your snopes link along the way to finding the one I refered to and am now sharing and was even going to include it showing how out of date it is on this subject, especially in comparison to the info I am refering to. So thanks for sharing the snopes link and saving me the typing. We chose to believe in different things, and see the same things differently colored by the prisms we view things through. I seem to be much less charitable than you in assessing the actions of our . gov that have been put in the sunshine lately. That will be my last reference to tin foil (maybe ). I can laugh at myself now and then and be laughed at as well, without umbridge. peace ! If you want a good tin foil hat theory-when cattle prices are already supposed to increase this year, why is the government furloughing USDA meat inspectors and causing plant shutdowns starting next month? I think they are trying to create an artificial shortage to cause unrest(while making a shitload of $$$), thereby justifying the "next" step. A couple news cycles of Soviet Russia like supermarket lines coupled with fisticuffs for food footage( see what I did there? ) should advance the agenda nicely. I like to come up with my own CT's by taking 2 , adding 2 and seeing if it comes out 4 down the road. I'd plan on chicken dogs for the 4th of July. Stay tuned.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:56am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: Jesus Christ.
Ok, I see the point of your remark. I went back to the snopes site and reread it. I read the claim as part of their reply, not the reply itself. Quite frankly, I never go to snopes unless someone posts a link for a reason. I am not very familiar with their format and the ways they organize their articles. There are many other ways to verify things without snopes. They do not stay up on things and update them enough to be relevant to things being discussed as is the case at hand with the 2009 explanation being used to rebutt something in 2013. Again, thanks for pointing out my error in reading. But I doubt that I will look to snopes first, ever, before looking into something deeper. If I only went to snopes, I would be using out of date information to satisfy my curiousities.
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:50am |
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kurtster wrote: Examiner.com is not a real news source. The authors of articles get paid for hits. Period. So writing a factual article takes a back seat to writing an article that will get shared a lot.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:44am |
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Lazy8 wrote: I don't care who the source was, I'm concerned that it's being spun as sinister when it's just normal government purchasing policy. Snopes rated the claim that these were purchases in preparation for civil unrest as "false". Police agencies aren't subject to the Geneva conventions. Hollow-point ammo isn't evil, it's just more effective at stopping those who get shot with it and less hazardous to innocent bystanders because it doesn't ricochet or overpenetrate as much. The cop on the beat in your neighborhood is carrying hollow-point ammo in his service sidearm. Uh oh, maybe he's in on it too! The military, after a brief break, is once again selling spent brass. Yeah, it's Snopes again—feel free to check other sources. After all, Snopes points out where it got the information but you can google it up too. There are plenty of things to be concerned about—real things, not phony crises like this. Not trying to start fights, trust me, please. My tin foil hat remark is subject to snark, but OTOH, its been dished out frequently, so alls fair. Moving on, I indepently found your snopes link along the way to finding the one I refered to and am now sharing and was even going to include it showing how out of date it is on this subject, especially in comparison to the info I am refering to. So thanks for sharing the snopes link and saving me the typing. We chose to believe in different things, and see the same things differently colored by the prisms we view things through. I seem to be much less charitable than you in assessing the actions of our .gov that have been put in the sunshine lately. That will be my last reference to tin foil (maybe ). I can laugh at myself now and then and be laughed at as well, without umbridge. peace !
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JrzyTmata
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:32am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: Good luck getting him under. Duh.
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buzz
Location: up the boohai
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:30am |
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:27am |
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Lazy8 wrote:buzz wrote:is he in on it too? Maybe we should waterboard him just to make sure. Good luck getting him under. Duh.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:23am |
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buzz wrote:is he in on it too? Maybe we should waterboard him just to make sure.
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:23am |
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buzz wrote:ScottFromWyoming wrote: Jesus Christ.
is he in on it too? You know it. *secret handshake*
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buzz
Location: up the boohai
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:19am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: Jesus Christ. is he in on it too?
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Feb 12, 2013 - 10:19am |
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kurtster wrote:You can debunk all you wish. The sources were not infowars, and much greater detail was included as well as over a broader period of time. The amount of 2 billion total rounds is not made up. Screen shots requesting the bids were captured before they were removed by the .gov websites. I'm not going to go back and retrace posts. I saw them, went to them and did follow ups to the sources and was satisfied with their veracity. And yes, ammo banned by the Geneva Conventions and other war conventions were included in these purchases. Why is that ? Even your snopes link admitted that it was in prep for civil unrest. Earlier, sird posted an article reporting that our military is illegally destroying spent brass cartridges to prevent reloading. I have nothing but respect for your integrity in your arguments, but in this case we'll just have to disagree on what is going on here in this country. There is just too much going on to think that things are hunky dory in the good old United States. Glad that you think that there is nothing to be concerned about. I don't care who the source was, I'm concerned that it's being spun as sinister when it's just normal government purchasing policy. Snopes rated the claim that these were purchases in preparation for civil unrest as "false". Police agencies aren't subject to the Geneva conventions. Hollow-point ammo isn't evil, it's just more effective at stopping those who get shot with it and less hazardous to innocent bystanders because it doesn't ricochet or overpenetrate as much. The cop on the beat in your neighborhood is carrying hollow-point ammo in his service sidearm. Uh oh, maybe he's in on it too! The military, after a brief break, is once again selling spent brass. Yeah, it's Snopes again—feel free to check other sources. After all, Snopes points out where it got the information but you can google it up too. There are plenty of things to be concerned about—real things, not phony crises like this.
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