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steeler

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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 4:21pm



 kurtster wrote:



No, I didn't get the Fauci memo.  Please enlighten me.
 

Fauci has made a lot of mistakes. He has been wrong a lot. Probably best not to trust what he says.
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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 4:11pm

If, after our historically discontinuous examples of the paranoid style, we now take the long jump to the contemporary right wing, we find some rather important differences from the nineteenth-century movements. The spokesmen of those earlier movements felt that they stood for causes and personal types that were still in possession of their country—that they were fending off threats to a still established way of life. But the modern right wing, as Daniel Bell has put it, feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.
‘It was only done to make me look bad’
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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 4:04pm

 Agent Orange wrote:
Smell the fear?
 
No, just you left in the oven too long ...
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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 3:38pm

Smell the fear?
kurtster

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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 3:36pm

 steeler wrote:
I think you hit all the Trump talking points!

Did you get the “op memo” on Fauci?
 
While these may be Trump talking points, I haven't seen them myself per se. 

These are my own conclusions, based solely upon my own observations and nothing I haven't previously posted here over the years other than my new references regarding the similarities of the usage of disruptive surrogates today as they did long ago with the KKK after the Civil War.  That is a recent conclusion of my own.  Seems like a big "duh" to me.  I have heard no one make this comparison to date.  Doesn't mean that no one else has come to this conclusion or stated it somewhere else.  Just means that I did so myself, not based upon the knowledge of anyone else's thoughts.

No, I didn't get the Fauci memo.  Please enlighten me.
steeler

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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 3:19pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, she's a beauty alright.  Another East Coast liberal Carpetbagger from Baltimore who moved west to help ruin the once great state of California and specifically the once beautiful city of San Francisco.  The city streets are now paved with shit.

One of the early casualties in SF was a statue of U.S. Grant.  He may have done more to help the slaves than Lincoln.

ANTIFA and BLM are the modern day surrogates for the Democratic party just as the KKK was for them after the Civil War.  Pelosi supports these destructors by not denouncing them, as seen in the video above.  

Anyone who thinks that Biden has any control over these people is sorely misinformed, imho.  Their destruction will only accelerate and become more widespread under a Biden presidency.  Everywhere will be like Chicago.  Chicago, a place that BLM and every democrat ignores.  Why is that ?  Perhaps because they cannot blame anyone else but themselves for what goes on in Chicago.

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I think you hit all the Trump talking points!

Did you get the “op memo” on Fauci?
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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 3:06pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:

Thank Pelosi for that one.  You can expect to see it played again and again in the coming months.

 
Yeah, she's a beauty alright.  Another East Coast liberal Carpetbagger from Baltimore who moved west to help ruin the once great state of California and specifically the once beautiful city of San Francisco.  The city streets are now paved with shit.

One of the early casualties in SF was a statue of U.S. Grant.  He may have done more to help the slaves than Lincoln.

ANTIFA and BLM are the modern day surrogates for the Democratic party just as the KKK was for them after the Civil War.  Pelosi supports these destructors by not denouncing them, as seen in the video above.  

Anyone who thinks that Biden has any control over these people is sorely misinformed, imho.  Their destruction will only accelerate and become more widespread under a Biden presidency.  Everywhere will be like Chicago.  Chicago, a place that BLM and every democrat ignores.  Why is that ?  Perhaps because they cannot blame anyone else but themselves for what goes on in Chicago.

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Posted: Jul 13, 2020 - 6:42am



 Steely_D wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:

 

Insightful, complex but ultimately, thought-provoking and will certainly convince people to change their opinions. Kudos. We look forward to more of your well-considered and well-reasoned contribution to our community. 
 

Thank Pelosi for that one.  You can expect to see it played again and again in the coming months.

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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 10:02pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:

 

Insightful, complex but ultimately, thought-provoking and will certainly convince people to change their opinions. Kudos. We look forward to more of your well-considered and well-reasoned contribution to our community. 
  


Be kind, poor Kevin has no where else to go.


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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 9:55pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:

 

Insightful, complex but ultimately, thought-provoking and will certainly convince people to change their opinions. Kudos. We look forward to more of your well-considered and well-reasoned contribution to our community. 
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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 9:19pm


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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 5:26pm



 sirdroseph wrote:


 haresfur wrote:
I wonder if anyone would have paid attention without the incendiary rhetoric? It certainly got the idea noticed.
 

Oh I don't know I think some other stuff might have gotten some attention too:



Insured Losses from Riots Reach ‘Catastrophe’ Levels, May Rival Record



 

You would think that people would see incendiary rhetoric as more positive than actual incendiaries.

The fundamental problem is that polite discourse is usually ignored.
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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 5:23pm



 JrzyTmata wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 

Camden, New Jersey.
 

it still has issues but for the most part, it works.  Across the river, Philly was burned and looted during the protests, Camden was quiet.
 


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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 9:45am



 steeler wrote:


 

Camden, New Jersey.
 

it still has issues but for the most part, it works.  Across the river, Philly was burned and looted during the protests, Camden was quiet.
steeler

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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 9:09am



 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
Depends on who you talk to within the movement.   The most diplomatic side of the movement wants as you say, but the spectrum goes all the way to abolish the police completely and all ranges in between those two.   And again:


de·fund/dēˈfənd/
Learn to pronounce
verbUSverb: defund; 3rd person present: defunds; past tense: defunded; past participle: defunded; gerund or present participle: defunding; verb: de-fund; 3rd person present: de-funds; past tense: de-funded; past participle: de-funded; gerund or present participle: de-funding
  1. prevent from continuing to receive funds."the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"



Takes me about 2 seconds to say reform or reduce the budget and then you have a grown up conversation.  Maybe I should be a movement leader or pr person.

Stick a microphone in random faces at a protest and you'll eventually get someone to say something incendiary you can use on that night's broadcast to cast the movement in whatever light you want.

Even the folks calling for disbanding police forces (which has actually happened in a number of places, generally to positive effect) aren't talking about sending the 911 operators home and leaving the streets to gangs of roaming looters. They generally mean starting over with the police department, getting rid of an entrenched culture of brutality and domination. This often means firing the entire force and rehiring new officers and leadership, hopefully with a structure more responsive to the community. When a tree is rotten you don't prune the branches, you cut it down and replant.
 

Camden, New Jersey.
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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 9:05am

sirdroseph wrote:
Depends on who you talk to within the movement.   The most diplomatic side of the movement wants as you say, but the spectrum goes all the way to abolish the police completely and all ranges in between those two.   And again:


de·fund/dēˈfənd/
Learn to pronounce
verbUSverb: defund; 3rd person present: defunds; past tense: defunded; past participle: defunded; gerund or present participle: defunding; verb: de-fund; 3rd person present: de-funds; past tense: de-funded; past participle: de-funded; gerund or present participle: de-funding
  1. prevent from continuing to receive funds."the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"



Takes me about 2 seconds to say reform or reduce the budget and then you have a grown up conversation.  Maybe I should be a movement leader or pr person.

Stick a microphone in random faces at a protest and you'll eventually get someone to say something incendiary you can use on that night's broadcast to cast the movement in whatever light you want.

Even the folks calling for disbanding police forces (which has actually happened in a number of places, generally to positive effect) aren't talking about sending the 911 operators home and leaving the streets to gangs of roaming looters. They generally mean starting over with the police department, getting rid of an entrenched culture of brutality and domination. This often means firing the entire force and rehiring new officers and leadership, hopefully with a structure more responsive to the community. When a tree is rotten you don't prune the branches, you cut it down and replant.
rgio

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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 4:25am



 sirdroseph wrote:

 

Oh I don't know I think some other stuff might have gotten some attention too:



Insured Losses from Riots Reach ‘Catastrophe’ Levels, May Rival Record



 
While the amount is significant ($1.4B), be careful about assumptions regarding the insurance world.  I have spent the last 15 years at a few of the largest insurance companies going.

"Catastrophe" (or Cat) for insurance organizations is important for reporting purposes.  Cat losses are "isolated" and discussed as something "outside the normal course of business".    It's a useful tool when explaining performance within the industry.  If it weren't a Cat event, insurance companies would have to explain higher loss ratios without the sort of "get out of jail free" card a CAT provides.

Losses are not always a bad thing.  Rates will "harden" or increase now for everyone, and without similar events over the next few years, the BLM riots will be a revenue event for the industry...not a loss.

For comparison purposes... the California wildfires in "Paradise" and other CA towns in 2017 cost insurance companies $12B, and forced bankruptcy proceedings for PG&E. 

sirdroseph

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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 1:50am



 haresfur wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
This actually makes me feel better. The Democrats are right on this issue: 

 

 Biden, Democrats seek to shut down calls to defund police

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/501730-biden-democrats-seek-to-shut-down-calls-to-defund-police

 

 

"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.

Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position. 

“I can’t imagine that happening in a federal way,” Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.

The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.

"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services". That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.

Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.

Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
 

I wonder if anyone would have paid attention without the incendiary rhetoric? It certainly got the idea noticed.
 

Oh I don't know I think some other stuff might have gotten some attention too:



Insured Losses from Riots Reach ‘Catastrophe’ Levels, May Rival Record



sirdroseph

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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 1:43am



 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
This actually makes me feel better. The Democrats are right on this issue: 

 

 Biden, Democrats seek to shut down calls to defund police

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/501730-biden-democrats-seek-to-shut-down-calls-to-defund-police

 

 

"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.

Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position. 

“I can’t imagine that happening in a federal way,” Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.

The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.

"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services"
. That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.

Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.

Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
 

Depends on who you talk to within the movement.   The most diplomatic side of the movement wants as you say, but the spectrum goes all the way to abolish the police completely and all ranges in between those two.   And again:


de·fund/dēˈfənd/
Learn to pronounce
verbUSverb: defund; 3rd person present: defunds; past tense: defunded; past participle: defunded; gerund or present participle: defunding; verb: de-fund; 3rd person present: de-funds; past tense: de-funded; past participle: de-funded; gerund or present participle: de-funding
  1. prevent from continuing to receive funds."the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"



Takes me about 2 seconds to say reform or reduce the budget and then you have a grown up conversation.  Maybe I should be a movement leader or pr person.
 
haresfur

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Posted: Jul 12, 2020 - 12:27am



 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
This actually makes me feel better. The Democrats are right on this issue: 

 

 Biden, Democrats seek to shut down calls to defund police

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/501730-biden-democrats-seek-to-shut-down-calls-to-defund-police

 

 

"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.

Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position. 

“I can’t imagine that happening in a federal way,” Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.

The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.

"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services". That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.

Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.

Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
 

I wonder if anyone would have paid attention without the incendiary rhetoric? It certainly got the idea noticed.
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