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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 5:46pm

 islander wrote:
Curious - do you use the contraction "y'all" in your daily speech,  or is it exclusive to your online persona?
 
Curious.  So now you're a Vernacular Nazi.  Are you accusing me of cultural misappropriation ?

I guess that I need to start calling out people who use the word "Dude" who have never been on a surfboard ...

You've been stalking me for years here now and I've been using that term the entire time I've been here.  So now it bothers you ?

I've been known to use it in real life on occasion.  I picked it up when I went to school in Florida.

I use it here to distinguish between you the poster and you all as to address those other than the poster.

Have you tried knitting ?  I hear that it is very therapeutic, y'all ...
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 2:09pm



kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose.



kcar wrote:

When and where? Again with your fantasy crap. Put up some links to back your claim or shut up. Jesus you are becoming worse than KarmaKarma.






 sirdroseph wrote:

Hillary Clinton says Joe Biden should not concede on election night

 
 
 
She said this year's election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out."
 


Which one of you do I congratulate more: Kurt for misinterpreting Clinton's statement or you for compounding the error? 

Did you read the very article you linked to, sirdroseph? HRC was commenting on the fact that we'll likely not get the complete and correct vote tallies by the end of election night. She was pointing out that many ballots will be submitted by mail. As the quote below notes, those mailed ballots will in a number of states will not be counted as rapidly as votes cast in person. Also, some states like OH and NC will allow mailed ballots to count as long as they are postmarked by election day—even if those ballots reach their destination days later. 

Numerous newspapers have reported that vote counts will take dramatically longer in this election. That's why Clinton was urging Biden not to concede on election night. Yet Kurt claimed

"And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose."

and you let his claim stand without comment, correction or objection. 



From the article you linked to and quoted, sirdroseph: 


Clinton conceded defeat on the night of the election in 2016 but said the shift to mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic means it could take longer to know the winner in November.

She said this year's election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out."

...


As many as half of U.S. voters are expected to cast their votes by mail this year, more than twice as many as in 2016, but not all state and local officials have the capacity to count mail ballots as quickly as those cast in person.

Also, some states, including battlegrounds like Ohio and North Carolina, allow ballots to count if they arrive days after polls close but are postmarked by election day.

"Eventually I do believe he (Biden) will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is," Clinton said.





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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 1:33pm



 Garlique wrote:
From Jonah Goldberg of the National Review, my favorite conservative writer:


It boggles my mind that anyone with a shred of sense — left wing, right wing, no wings at all — could look at Trump's job performance and not see exactly what Goldberg sees: preening, narcissistic incompetence on an unprecedented scale.

 
A reflection indeed; mixed with instant karma it seems.
We all shine on, or not.

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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 12:36pm

From Jonah Goldberg of the National Review, my favorite conservative writer:

President Trump isn’t plotting a coup, but that is not the defense of the man you might think it is.

More on that in a moment.

First, let’s say you took the job of basketball coach for your kid’s rec team.

You like basketball, but you aren’t a master of the rules and it’s not like you know how to design plays, motivate kids, or do anything that’s generally considered basketball-y. So why did you take the job in the first place? It doesn’t matter—at least, not for these purposes. Maybe the school or your church asked you to do it when no one else would. Let’s just say you did it for good reasons. There was a need and you stepped up.

What would you do? You might buy a book on coaching, or on the fundamentals of basketball. You might seek advice from people who’ve coached before or who know more about the game than you do. In short, you’d do some homework, because you don’t want to let the kids and the community down and—reasonably enough—you don’t want to embarrass yourself.

This is a very short and admittedly partial example of what Yuval Levin is getting at when he notes how, traditionally, institutions were things that “shaped character.” To do the job right as a basketball coach, you have to bend yourself to the task. You’ve gotta carve out huge amounts of time, and muster scads of emotional energy, learn a whole bunch things you didn’t know or even necessarily want to know, all to serve other people.

Now imagine you took the coaching job, but all you did was spend every practice talking about how great you are and how biased the refs are. At every game you barely paid attention to the action on the court, and spent most of your time posturing for the fans in the stands.

This is what Yuval says has happened to too many of our institutions. We want to bend them to us rather than bend ourselves to them. We use them to preen and perform on.

Now, honestly, which one of these two scenarios does Donald Trump represent?

I ask, because if he took the job seriously—as seriously as a conscientious basketball coach might—he’d know how to answer this question: “Win, lose, or draw … will you commit here today for a peaceful transferral of power after the election?”

This isn’t complicated. This isn’t ideological. This isn’t next-level anything. Trump doesn’t know the job because he doesn’t want to know it.

If you’re a basketball coach and you don’t know what a layup is or what someone means when they say “set a pick,” you don’t know the job. If you don’t know how to answer a question about whether you will commit to a peaceful transfer of power—and you’re the frick’n president of the United States of America—you don’t know the job. And if you’re coming up on your fourth year on the job, it means you never cared enough to learn it.

Now, I don’t think he was saying he will deploy or demand state violence if the returns don’t go his way (though that is not to say that he won’t welcome it or encourage it). My point here is he just didn’t recognize the terms. I think he thought “commit to a peaceful transfer of power” was just a quirky way of asking whether he will contest the election results—a question he’s been asked many times and his answer Wednesday didn’t break much new ground.

There’s just one problem: They aren’t the same question. Going to court to fight over ballots does not represent a lack of commitment to the peaceful transfer of power. The Florida recount fight might have been ugly, but it did not lead to an unpeaceful transfer of power.

If Donald Trump had the slightest patriotic inclination to let the institution of the presidency shape him, he’d know this. He’d know that he was being asked to disavow using violence to cling to power. But he doesn’t know the job. He didn’t know the history of “America First” or “the Silent Majority” when reporters first introduced him to the phrases, either. He didn’t—and doesn’t—know what the Trans-Pacific Partnership does or how tariffs work. He doesn’t know the job.

If his superfans weren’t so eager to cling to the idea that this man always knows what he’s doing, they’d loosen their grip enough to acknowledge he screwed this up because he doesn’t know the job.

I admit that loosening the grip must be hard when you’re so deeply invested in the notion that Trump is the Great Defender of Our Eternal Principles.™ I mean Sy Sperling wasn’t just the president of the Hair Club for Men, he was also a client. So you’d expect the President of the United States and Defender of the Constitutional Faith to familiarize himself with the product line in the Prager U course catalog too. But his thumbless grasp of the roles and responsibilities he volunteered to take on is just fine in a world where institutions are solely self-serving.

So much for what he didn’t say. What he did say was still very bad. “Get rid of the ballots and … we’ll have a very peaceful—there won’t be a transfer. Frankly, there’ll be a continuation .”

That’s heinous.

There are legitimate problems and challenges with mail-in ballots. But Trump has made it very, very clear that he doesn’t care about grappling with the legitimate issues. (Heck, he’s all but begging seniors in Florida to send in their ballots.) He doesn’t care about the legitimacy of ballots or the election, he just cares passionately that—should he lose—his loss will be seen as illegitimate. If he cared about the job, he’d mobilize resources to make sure the election was free and fair. He ain’t doing that.

On August 17, he said: “The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that.”

Again, imagine what you would think about a basketball coach who talked this way before every game. Is that how you want your kid to think about sports? Or life? If not, why are you holding the president to a lower standard?

One last crucial point: It’s fine to argue that Trump wasn’t calling for violence. Again, I don’t think he was. But this kind of talk can still lead to violence. My “defense” of Trump here is that he was too ignorant to understand what he was being asked. But such ignorance can have consequences. There’s a reason presidents are supposed to shut down any talk of violence in elections: Because there are a few thousand years of history supporting the worry that political passion leads to violence.

Right now, parts of the right are celebrating vigilantism at least as much as parts of the left are celebrating street violence. A president who understood that question about the peaceful transfer of power, and who understood the demands of the presidency, would have leapt at the opportunity to give a forceful answer to that question given the state of the country. But he doesn’t know the job. And sometimes, not knowing the job has consequences.

It boggles my mind that anyone with a shred of sense — left wing, right wing, no wings at all — could look at Trump's job performance and not see exactly what Goldberg sees: preening, narcissistic incompetence on an unprecedented scale.

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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 10:28am


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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 10:14am

from john silva at newslit

"Just so you know, it's entirely possible to have a reasonable, civil discussion with someone on Twitter who's ideology differs from yours. It's called "discourse" and we should all try harder at achieving it."
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 10:13am



 rgio wrote:



 
And so the reality that one-third of the country actually spews the complete and utter nonsense of the idiot king.  

By projecting every single action of his own onto the other party, he has literally brainwashed the uneducated, white, middle-aged and older into believing he's the one who can eliminate the corruption.  The party knows better, but they are frozen by fear, not knowing how to save themselves if they upset the hoard. The rest of the world watches and asks "how can they be so stupid?", yet we march toward an election where the current leader is telling anyone who will listen that if he loses, it's fixed...it's a coup...and he won't leave.

Facts are irrelevant.
 
No. Facts are important
like the fact, trump didnt say he won't leave,
as he didnt say he will leave.
he says something in between/ambiguous because he knows some people will assume  he meant he won't leave peacefully,
and others will defend him and say thats not what he said, fake news
and all  the above = divisiveness


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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 8:54am



 Garlique wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 

In what alternate universe has anyone been convicted of attempting a "coup" against Trump?

In the universe I live in, the only convictions have been of Trump's associates. Perhaps you're referring to the prosecutions of vile anti-Trump forces at work in the "deep state" that you & others like you have been telling us for years are just around the corner, next week, next month. Kinda like Trump's ACA replacement. 
 
 
And so the reality that one-third of the country actually spews the complete and utter nonsense of the idiot king.  

By projecting every single action of his own onto the other party, he has literally brainwashed the uneducated, white, middle-aged and older into believing he's the one who can eliminate the corruption.  The party knows better, but they are frozen by fear, not knowing how to save themselves if they upset the hoard. The rest of the world watches and asks "how can they be so stupid?", yet we march toward an election where the current leader is telling anyone who will listen that if he loses, it's fixed...it's a coup...and he won't leave.

Facts are irrelevant.
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 7:26am



 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 

Lots of wrong things...
Clinton didnt say never concede...just dont concede on the night of the election, because of mail in ballots...
Trump said something similar, but was more allusive/ambiguous about what he meant. 

As for the "coup"
Was there an unorganized effort by democrats AND republicans to keep trump from being president? Yes
Was there reason for many of the actions taken to thwart trump? yes
take the wire tap...there was grounds to tap a candidate who had 'unusual" ties/meetings with russians...

So once again, trump supporters may be asking some good questions, they just have the wrong answers 
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 7:19am



 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 

In what alternate universe has anyone been convicted of attempting a "coup" against Trump?

In the universe I live in, the only convictions have been of Trump's associates. Perhaps you're referring to the prosecutions of vile anti-Trump forces at work in the "deep state" that you & others like you have been telling us for years are just around the corner, next week, next month. Kinda like Trump's ACA replacement. 
 
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 5:59am

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
Most politically active people are angry, abusive and say awful things about each other.  Most of it true of course.{#Propeller}
 
Maybe not "most politically active people " in true numbers, but the most noticeable ones tend to have those traits you speak of.

 
And to be clear, not only am I including the candidates, their teams and the leaders themselves, I meant them in particular.
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 5:28am



 sirdroseph wrote:
Most politically active people are angry, abusive and say awful things about each other.  Most of it true of course.
{#Propeller}
 
Maybe not "most politically active people " in true numbers, but the most noticeable ones tend to have those traits you speak of.

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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 3:56am

Most politically active people are angry, abusive and say awful things about each other.  Most of it true of course.{#Propeller}
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 3:52am

 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose.
 

When and where? Again with your fantasy crap. Put up some links to back your claim or shut up. Jesus you are becoming worse than KarmaKarma. 


 

Hillary Clinton says Joe Biden should not concede on election night

 
 
 
She said this year's election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out."
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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 9:53pm



 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose.
 

When and where? Again with your fantasy crap. Put up some links to back your claim or shut up. Jesus you are becoming worse than KarmaKarma. 




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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 9:50pm



 kurtster wrote:
Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
 

What a steaming shitload of fantasy. Just one issue proves you wrong. It also proves that YOU DON'T F4*CKING READ even when people try to take you seriously and engage you in serious conversation. 

Here, I'll post these links for you again. READ THEM THIS TIME AND PUT YOUR FANTASY COUP CRAP DOWN. And have your doctor check you out for dementia. 


Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’

In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.





Evidence Shows Obama Team Left A Pandemic ‘Game Plan’ For Trump Administration




Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm



Pandemic Timeline: The Obama Blame Game

Obama’s team briefed Trump’s transition team on a simulation that anticipated the very type of outbreak now blanketing the earth, but Trump ignored its lessons. Trump inherited a White House pandemic response team, but he disbanded it.







How Trump Gutted Obama’s Pandemic-Preparedness Systems

Former officials: Trump’s reshuffling of positions and departments, focus on business solutions, downgrading of science, left the country dangerously unprepared for an unprecedented pandemic.




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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 7:55pm



 kurtster wrote:
Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
 

Curious - do you use the contraction "y'all" in your daily speech,  or is it exclusive to your online persona?
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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:39pm



 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.
  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 
Hardly. His statements are indefensible on their face. 

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:34pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede.
 

Biden is the candidate.

Do you have a defense for Trump’s repeated statements? You do not see them as irresponsible and dangerous?  
 
Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:03pm



 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede.
 

Biden is the candidate.

Do you have a defense for Trump’s repeated statements? You do not see them as irresponsible and dangerous?  
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