You are assuming that the welfare of Israelis of Jewish descent is always more important than the welfare of Arabs and others. That is not a proposition I support. Actually forcing Israel to completely dismantle the settlements and evict the settlers would send a very positive message to the world that violently taking resources is no longer tolerated.
The alternative to a delusional 2-state solution would be to grant all citizens in Greater Israel full rights. Naturally, the USA and Israel would oppose that because granting full democratic rights to all citizens would put people of Jewish descent in a minority position.
crikey, you are actually starting to make sense. Not saying I agree with you but I can follow your argument. Yes, I agree that all citizens should have full rights and yes, I agree that the Israelis are never going to put themselves in a position where they lose control, because history, which is no doubt is offensive from a Palestinian point of view.
But because of those points, which we seem to agree on, my conclusion is the same as Haresfur.. there will have to be a two-state solution. The idea that the Israelis will give up control is illusory. On the other hand, the idea that Palestinians don't have full rights of self-determination is just as obnoxious as apartheid .. ergo they will have to learn to live side by side and critically, acknowledge each other's right to exist.
Second point, we quickly talk about "the Israelis" and "the Palestinians" as though they were both monolithic structures. But they are not. Both are very full and rich cultures with a plethora of different viewpoints. Moreover, there is a lot of common ground between them, even if radicals don't want to accept this.
Which gets me to the third point: On both sides we have rulers using the conflict to control their own grip on power. I think we can all agree that Netanyahu is undisputedly a war criminal. But Hamas is not much better, using the conflict to retain an iron grip on power. Factor in Iran and other regional factors and you get the current situation where everyone is manoeuvring to maximise their own power at the cost of the little people.
All feels like a lot of toxic masculinity to me. One more step to overcome on the way to a better future.
So what does anti-zionism mean to you in the modern context?
And realistically, the alternatives to a two-state solution at this point is either perpetual war or complete removal of Arab control from the west bank and Gaza. Neither are acceptable to me.
You are assuming that the welfare of Israelis of Jewish descent is always more important than the welfare of Arabs and others. That is not a proposition I support. Actually forcing Israel to completely dismantle the settlements and evict the settlers would send a very positive message to the world that violently taking resources is no longer tolerated.
The alternative to a delusional 2-state solution would be to grant all citizens in Greater Israel full rights. Naturally, the USA and Israel would oppose that because granting full democratic rights to all citizens would put people of Jewish descent in a minority position.
A 2-state solution at this point is a pipe dream unless the USA forces Israel to disbandon all the illegal settlements in the West Bank and evacuate the area of illegal settlers.
Israelis prefer(red) the status quo. I guess that's perpetual war/occupation/annexation/ethnic cleansing. De facto, a one state solution.
A 2-state solution at this point is a pipe dream unless the USA forces Israel to disbandon all the illegal settlements in the West Bank and evacuate the area of illegal settlers.
So what does anti-zionism mean to you in the modern context?
And realistically, the alternatives to a two-state solution at this point is either perpetual war or complete removal of Arab control from the west bank and Gaza. Neither are acceptable to me.
Your anti-zionism posts imply to me that Israel shouldn't exist and the Arab world should attack and remove the country. Is that correct? What does the word zionism mean to you in the modern context. Do you favour a 2 state solution?
No. Are you sniffing glue? Is that correct?
A 2-state solution at this point is a pipe dream unless the USA forces Israel to disbandon all the illegal settlements in the West Bank and evacuate the area of illegal settlers.
Your anti-zionism posts imply to me that Israel shouldn't exist and the Arab world should attack and remove the country. Is that correct? What does the word zionism mean to you in the modern context. Do you favour a 2 state solution?
Trump apparently was going to ask Musk that he loan Trump money to pay off the E. Jean Carroll fine or underwrite the bond that Chubb posted for Trump. We'll see.
Trump's lawyers have already said that they cannot secure a vond to cover the $454 fine. That mess is going to be very interesting to watch.
I am on the side of the police, the border patrol, and all Americans (it is sooooo easy to say...just sorta rolls off the tongue).
All I've been saying is that if you believe immigration is a threat, then you should be in favor of the bill. The ONLY reason that anyone worried about the southern border would not support this bill is politics. But don't take my word for it, take the head of the Border Patrol Officers Union yesterday on FNC.
I particularly enjoy the host pretzeling herself at the alter of Trump.
Kurt, let me know where this guy is wrong. Enlighten me.
PS - also let me know why you wouldn't support the inclusion of your own Senator's FEND Off Fentanyl Act that is part of the package. You've said repeatedly that fentanyl is a huge problem...here's your chance to do something about it. Or was that just virtue signaling?
Republicans usually oppose incremental change or compromise because it is either not enough or because it is a slippery slope. In this case it is because trump wants to use border security as a campaign issue so doesn't want any progress under Biden
Those links only prove to me that RP has a home page?
Not that I want to get in the middle....but it also took me a few seconds for FNC to register. Upon considering its author, the reference became fairly obvious.
I'll get back to you on your other post. I'm off to the doctor right now. I did catch the interview with the border patrol union official live yesterday and I disagree, fwiw.
So what are your solutions for this problem that you endorsed by helping to create it with your eyes wide open vote for Biden ?
I am on the side of the police, the border patrol, and all Americans (it is sooooo easy to say...just sorta rolls off the tongue).
All I've been saying is that if you believe immigration is a threat, then you should be in favor of the bill. The ONLY reason that anyone worried about the southern border would not support this bill is politics. But don't take my word for it, take the head of the Border Patrol Officers Union yesterday on FNC.
I particularly enjoy the host pretzeling herself at the alter of Trump.
Kurt, let me know where this guy is wrong. Enlighten me.
PS - also let me know why you wouldn't support the inclusion of your own Senator's FEND Off Fentanyl Act that is part of the package. You've said repeatedly that fentanyl is a huge problem...here's your chance to do something about it. Or was that just virtue signaling?
I especially like the second one. The one in which you directly responded to me ...
Those links only prove to me that RP has a home page?
Not that I want to get in the middle....but it also took me a few seconds for FNC to register. Upon considering its author, the reference became fairly obvious.
"FNC ? You don't know what that is ? You've got to be kidding after all of these years of bashing it. Fox News Channel ..." . I've never seen you or anyone else refer to Fox News as FNC. Ever.
"FNC ? You don't know what that is ? You've got to be kidding after all of these years of bashing it.
Fox News Channel ..."
I've never seen you or anyone else refer to Fox News as FNC. Ever.
So at least you admit to getting your news from Fox. Do you watch the talking heads like Hannity and Ingraham who openly lied about the 2020 election? Did you miss that whole massive story about Dominion Voting Systems suing Fox News Channel for defamation? Here, Kurt, refresh your memory:
"Oh and Reagan and immigration which you apparently know nothing about ... but should if you want to speak on this subject with any kind of authority."
So you're hellbent on 30+ year old bipartisan legislation that AFAICT was seen as a win for Reagan at that time. What a shame you have NOTHING TO SAY about the ensuing bipartisan efforts led by Republicans as well as Democrats, efforts that repeatedly got killed by the right wing of the GOP. Hey, if you have a different undersstanding of those efforts, share them with us. But provide evidence and not just your crusty memories which is all you apparently can serve up when you cry about Democrats stiffing Reagan.
You are tiresome, you are predictable and you are apparently incapable of supporting your claims with evidence.
But gosh, Kurt, maybe you know more about the Senate bill than these guys do:
As conservatives balk, U.S. Border Patrol union endorses Senate immigration deal
The National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2020, said the new bipartisan bill "will drop illegal border crossings nationwide."
WASHINGTON â As conservatives in Congress have blasted the new bipartisan border agreement for not going far enough, the legislation earned a key endorsement on Monday: the labor union that represents U.S. Border Patrol agents.
The National Border Patrol Council â which represents more than 18,000 agents â said the bill would âdrop illegal border crossings nationwide and will allow our agents to get back to detecting and apprehending those who want to cross our border illegally and evade apprehension.â
It's a significant statement of support from a group that endorsed former President Donald Trump in 2020 and has repeatedly railed against President Joe Bidenâs handling of the border.
âWhile not perfect, the Border Act of 2024 is a step in the right direction and is far better than the current status quo,â Brandon Judd, president of the council, said in the statement. âThis is why the National Border Patrol Council endorses this bill and hopes for its quick passage.â
Just last week, Judd attended a House Republican roundtable in the Capitol entitled âThe Impact of the Biden Border Crisisâ and slammed the Biden administration for having âdestabilized our Southwest Border.â
