I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation. Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire? I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country? Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump). Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? (YesAt what cost? I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off. But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
You are all over the place… maybe find one idea/question and stick to it.
Poor veev, you evidently can't handle more than one thought at a time. It's a good thing for you that no one asks will that be cash or charge anymore. black321 wrote:
are others too obtuse to try to struggle with two sides of an issue, or just not willing? I do have grey tinted glasses
I found the questions you posed to be thoughtful and coherent even though I might disagree with some of your thoughts.
Although seeing your response to my response to thisbody might make want to reconsider your willingness to see two sides of an issue. Seems more like a pose in light of your response.
Steely_D wrote:
So now he’s a convicted rapist
No he is not. We've been through this countless times yet you still ignore the facts. Your credibility suffers as a result.
I watched the entire "presser". 40 minutes without a teleprompter. Very reserved and very mindful of the gag order still in place.
He straightforwardly made his case, like it or not.
An important takeaway was that he raised $38 million + from 400,000 + donors in the first 10 hours since his conviction. That works out to an average donation of $95. In other words, this was not a result of major political donors. It was from everyday people. That speaks volumes all by itself.
Obviously, once again, no-one posting here since, ever bothered to listen to his words as the presser ended just now (5 mins ago, actually). Well, what'd he say?
I watched the entire "presser". 40 minutes without a teleprompter. Very reserved and very mindful of the gag order still in place.
He straightforwardly made his case, like it or not.
An important takeaway was that he raised $38 million + from 400,000 + donors in the first 10 hours since his conviction. That works out to an average donation of $95. In other words, this was not a result of major political donors. It was from everyday people. That speaks volumes all by itself.
I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation.
Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire?
I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country?
Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump).
Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? (YesAt what cost?
I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off.
But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
You are all over the place⦠maybe find one idea/question and stick to it.
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
Obviously, once again, no-one posting here since, ever bothered to listen to his words as the presser ended just now (5 mins ago, actually).
Well, what'd he say?
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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May 31, 2024 - 8:21am
rgio wrote:
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
Bordering on incoherent.
Paranoia strikes deep . . .
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
He can't help but dig himself a deeper hole. There are about 6 weeks till it sentencing day and continuing to attack the judge, the jury, etc may just get him time in jail vs just picking up trash on the side of the highway. I keep hearing that he most likely will just get probation not the stiff 4 years. But if the judge really analyzes the vast impact of Trump's crime he should give him the max. After all Martha Stewart went away for 6 months for something most folks would get slap on the wrist.
I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation.
Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire?
I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country?
Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump).
Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? At what cost?
I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off.
But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
TL;DR:Trump wanted special treatment but the judge ruled he should be treated like other defendants
From the Washington Post
As The Washington Postâs Philip Bump and Devlin Barrett noted, Merchan didnât say the jury doesnât need to be unanimous on which crimes Trump committed. The thing they neednât be unanimous on is something different: the unlawful means Trump used to affect the 2016 election.
Itâs complicated. But basically: Falsifying business records â the crime alleged in the 34-count indictment against Trump â is normally a misdemeanor. But it can be charged as a felony if the falsification of the records is used to cover up another crime or the intent to commit another crime.
Prosecutors identified three such crimes that could serve as the unlawful means. Merchan said jurors need not agree on which of the three apply.
Importantly, even Trumpâs lawyers acknowledged thatâs how things usually work.
âDo you agree thatâs not ordinarily required?â Merchan asked Trump lawyer Emil Bove last week.
âCertainly,â Bove responded.
Bove argued that Merchan should nonetheless exercise discretion and require unanimity, citing how this is an âextraordinarily important case.â But Merchan agreed with prosecutors that Trump should be treated like other defendants.
Is this the "throw shit against the wall and see what sticks" for you?
You posted that the Supreme Court overturned all split decisions. The decision wasn't split.
Now you're on to the jury, deciding how they want to interpret the available facts as some sort of proof that it will be overturned on appeal. It won't.
You keep avoiding the facts by insisting something nefarious is going on with the process. Trump is guilty. He had nothing to defend himself. His fixer, friend, and finance staff all corroborated the story.
Here's the part you're missing. Doing what he did is FUCKING STUPID! Write the damn check yourself. Pay her...get the NDA...and move on. Instead, Mr. Billionaire runs it through lawyers and shell companies and deducts this personal expense as a corporate one. But no...grifter gotta grift.
You keep throwing up conspiracy, deep state, and some clandestine coordinated effort by the notorious Biden crime family when the obvious, simple answer is that this liar, crook, philandering predator, is now also a convicted felon.
He's not innocent... so blame the process. He didn't win the election....blame the process.
One day you're gonna think for yourself, and realize you're just being used... like everyone else who's ever associated with him.
I believe it was those on your side here who predicted widespread violence by Trump supporters should there be a conviction.
I let that slide by wanting to say that if there was going to be any violence regarding an outcome, it would come from your side if there was an acquittal or hung jury.
But I didn't respond choosing to pick my battles instead.
Are not you one of those here who keep predicting civil unrest coming soon inspired by Trump and that being the reason for you bailing out of the country ? You got yours and you're getting out while the getting is good.
I seem to recall you making predictions of this sort on a regular basis.
I know facts aren't your thing... but the decision wasn't split.
Jeff Clark - former US DOJ Double Ass't AG wrote:
Call this post: âTHE UNCONSTITUTIONALITY OF âJURIES CHOOSING THEIR OWN ADVENTURE PATHââ
Yesterday in the heat of the debate on X about whether Judge Merchan was violating jury unanimity and due process fair notice by allowing the jury to split into three different groupings of them each picking one of three theories NY prosecutors offered to transform a bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony, it occurred to me to say â for the benefit of lay people â This is not how criminal law works. Itâs not a âchoose your own adventure path situation. Thatâs unconstitutional.â But I decided it was too homely an analogy.
So imagine my shock when leftist commentator from Just Security, Adam Klasfeld, says on MSNBC last night âitâs choose your own adventure for the jury.â See clip for receipts.
Wow. More shark jumping. Convicting Trump is now a 1980s fantasy book or video game.
Sorry, âchoosing your own adventureâ is never going to hold up on appeal. The Left knows this, which reveals the game afoot â just get a conviction on the books against Trump before the election. By any means necessary. It doesnât matter if it sticks.
The trial was not fair - anyone with a impartial eye and some knowledge of court procedure could see this. The jury instructions were reportedly 55 pages! And the jury was split into three groups. That alone could cause a reversal of every conviction. The Biden regime's interest in a successful conviction of Trump is obvious - it's their ONLY way they can possibly derail his certain return to office.
I know facts aren't your thing... but the decision wasn't split.
Love those links you provided. Tweets are such a great source of impartial data and trend indicators.
Beaker, you're a troll. You can't expect people to take your claims seriously. You're a clown trying to shill for a worn-out conman slathered in mascara. It's sad and nauseating.
Take a step back and reflect. Oh and do treat yourself to that toilet seat chapeau. You deserve it, honey.
It would be useful if this forum was actually moderated in such a way that warts such as the user above are removed for serial use of personal insults, over constructive dialogue. But alas, such vitriol is allowed to stand. Because surely it does no harm to the broader forum ecosystem, right?
