I watched the entire "presser". 40 minutes without a teleprompter. Very reserved and very mindful of the gag order still in place. He straightforwardly made his case, like it or not. An important takeaway was that he raised $38 million + from 400,000 + donors in the first 10 hours since his conviction. That works out to an average donation of $95. In other words, this was not a result of major political donors. It was from everyday people. That speaks volumes all by itself.
I also watched it in its entirety. At about the halfway point, I posted my earlier comment about it bordering on incoherent. Unlike you, I saw it as a rambling rant/speech, one in which he portrayed himself as a victim and a martyr figure: If they can do this to me, they can do it to you. But, he said, I’m honored to take these slings and arrows for the country, the Constitution, and all of you.
As someone who has watched many of Trump's speeches in full (although not as much lately) I found it to be very organized and on point, for a Trump speech. Of course he is going to talk about being a victim, which he is in my opinion.
When it comes to taking the slings and arrows thrown at him, he is peerless. Make no mistake, any republican running for POTUS would face the same treatment as Trump. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. There is no such thing as a likeable republican when it comes to a POTUS in terms of democrats. They will all face the same wrath. That makes Trump the one and only candidate to take on the establishment. AKA, the Deep State, which you steadfastly deny its existence in any way, shape or form. This is the reason for his unshakeable support which those on your side of the aisle are unable to comprehend and freely admit that you cannot understand. And how anyone in their right mind would support Trump in the past, present and future.
Was the point of this to 'not add fuel to the fire'? Or was it to say that we have laws that we enforce regardless of the person?
Which political persons should be free of which criminal actions? Is there a list or a chart somewhere? Is it just politicians, or other persons of stature? I own a business (actually a corporation, so it's like a whole other person), does that give me immunity for certain crimes, or do I need to seek office as well? Can I show a bank statement in lieu of running for office, or maybe just show you who's in my rolodex?
We don't know if we saved/preserved democracy. It's a hard scale to measure, and it's ongoing with a lot of influence. It seems okay for now, but certainly weakened by influences over the last several decades. Cost? also unknown, but certainly within the value of the asset.
You mean like, money? - That's a capitalist fantasy or fata morgana, as money shouldn't be able to "buy" democracy unless it wants to be perverted and corrupted.
I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation.
Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire?
I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country?
Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump).
Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? At what cost?
I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off.
But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
Was the point of this to 'not add fuel to the fire'? Or was it to say that we have laws that we enforce regardless of the person?
Which political persons should be free of which criminal actions? Is there a list or a chart somewhere? Is it just politicians, or other persons of stature? I own a business (actually a corporation, so it's like a whole other person), does that give me immunity for certain crimes, or do I need to seek office as well? Can I show a bank statement in lieu of running for office, or maybe just show you who's in my rolodex?
We don't know if we saved/preserved democracy. It's a hard scale to measure, and it's ongoing with a lot of influence. It seems okay for now, but certainly weakened by influences over the last several decades. Cost? also unknown, but certainly within the value of the asset.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
May 31, 2024 - 10:44am
kurtster wrote:
I watched the entire "presser". 40 minutes without a teleprompter. Very reserved and very mindful of the gag order still in place.
He straightforwardly made his case, like it or not.
An important takeaway was that he raised $38 million + from 400,000 + donors in the first 10 hours since his conviction. That works out to an average donation of $95. In other words, this was not a result of major political donors. It was from everyday people. That speaks volumes all by itself.
I also watched it in its entirety. At about the halfway point, I posted my earlier comment about it bordering on incoherent. Unlike you, I saw it as a rambling rant/speech, one in which he portrayed himself as a victim and a martyr figure: If they can do this to me, they can do it to you. But, he said, Iâm honored to take these slings and arrows for the country, the Constitution, and all of you.
I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation. Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire? I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country? Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump). Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? (YesAt what cost? I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off. But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
You are all over the place… maybe find one idea/question and stick to it.
Poor veev, you evidently can't handle more than one thought at a time. It's a good thing for you that no one asks will that be cash or charge anymore. black321 wrote:
are others too obtuse to try to struggle with two sides of an issue, or just not willing? I do have grey tinted glasses
I found the questions you posed to be thoughtful and coherent even though I might disagree with some of your thoughts.
Although seeing your response to my response to thisbody might make want to reconsider your willingness to see two sides of an issue. Seems more like a pose in light of your response.
Steely_D wrote:
So now he’s a convicted rapist
No he is not. We've been through this countless times yet you still ignore the facts. Your credibility suffers as a result.
I watched the entire "presser". 40 minutes without a teleprompter. Very reserved and very mindful of the gag order still in place.
He straightforwardly made his case, like it or not.
An important takeaway was that he raised $38 million + from 400,000 + donors in the first 10 hours since his conviction. That works out to an average donation of $95. In other words, this was not a result of major political donors. It was from everyday people. That speaks volumes all by itself.
Obviously, once again, no-one posting here since, ever bothered to listen to his words as the presser ended just now (5 mins ago, actually). Well, what'd he say?
I watched the entire "presser". 40 minutes without a teleprompter. Very reserved and very mindful of the gag order still in place.
He straightforwardly made his case, like it or not.
An important takeaway was that he raised $38 million + from 400,000 + donors in the first 10 hours since his conviction. That works out to an average donation of $95. In other words, this was not a result of major political donors. It was from everyday people. That speaks volumes all by itself.
I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation.
Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire?
I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country?
Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump).
Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? (YesAt what cost?
I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off.
But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
You are all over the place⦠maybe find one idea/question and stick to it.
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
Obviously, once again, no-one posting here since, ever bothered to listen to his words as the presser ended just now (5 mins ago, actually).
Well, what'd he say?
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
May 31, 2024 - 8:21am
rgio wrote:
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
Bordering on incoherent.
Paranoia strikes deep . . .
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
He can't help but dig himself a deeper hole. There are about 6 weeks till it sentencing day and continuing to attack the judge, the jury, etc may just get him time in jail vs just picking up trash on the side of the highway. I keep hearing that he most likely will just get probation not the stiff 4 years. But if the judge really analyzes the vast impact of Trump's crime he should give him the max. After all Martha Stewart went away for 6 months for something most folks would get slap on the wrist.
I'm wondering...based on (most) of the posts here and elsewhere, this case/conviction did little to improve the temperament of the nation.
Was anything resolved or revealed, that wasn't already well known, or did we just add more fuel to fire?
I'm not one to follow these types of actions, but it does appear there were shenanigans, but not major crimes...and that prosecutors would typically ignore these types of offenses from high ranking politicians...for the sake of the country?
Although trump is not your typical high ranking politician (not because he was president, but because he is trump).
Bottom-line, what did we gain from this? Did we preserve our democracy/legal system? At what cost?
I've said often, trump is an ass and was a lousy, divisive president whose policies were short-sighted and made the country worse off.
But, at the same time, the reaction to him was irrational and too emotional.
So any minute, Trump is going to give a news conference.
Remember that he is now awaiting sentencing. Let's see how many times he ignores the gag order, attacks the judge, the jury, and the process. Every other person in the country would be in jail for violating orders like that.
I can't wait to see what Melania is wearing as she descends the golden elevator this time.
TL;DR:Trump wanted special treatment but the judge ruled he should be treated like other defendants
From the Washington Post
As The Washington Postâs Philip Bump and Devlin Barrett noted, Merchan didnât say the jury doesnât need to be unanimous on which crimes Trump committed. The thing they neednât be unanimous on is something different: the unlawful means Trump used to affect the 2016 election.
Itâs complicated. But basically: Falsifying business records â the crime alleged in the 34-count indictment against Trump â is normally a misdemeanor. But it can be charged as a felony if the falsification of the records is used to cover up another crime or the intent to commit another crime.
Prosecutors identified three such crimes that could serve as the unlawful means. Merchan said jurors need not agree on which of the three apply.
Importantly, even Trumpâs lawyers acknowledged thatâs how things usually work.
âDo you agree thatâs not ordinarily required?â Merchan asked Trump lawyer Emil Bove last week.
âCertainly,â Bove responded.
Bove argued that Merchan should nonetheless exercise discretion and require unanimity, citing how this is an âextraordinarily important case.â But Merchan agreed with prosecutors that Trump should be treated like other defendants.
Is this the "throw shit against the wall and see what sticks" for you?
You posted that the Supreme Court overturned all split decisions. The decision wasn't split.
Now you're on to the jury, deciding how they want to interpret the available facts as some sort of proof that it will be overturned on appeal. It won't.
You keep avoiding the facts by insisting something nefarious is going on with the process. Trump is guilty. He had nothing to defend himself. His fixer, friend, and finance staff all corroborated the story.
Here's the part you're missing. Doing what he did is FUCKING STUPID! Write the damn check yourself. Pay her...get the NDA...and move on. Instead, Mr. Billionaire runs it through lawyers and shell companies and deducts this personal expense as a corporate one. But no...grifter gotta grift.
You keep throwing up conspiracy, deep state, and some clandestine coordinated effort by the notorious Biden crime family when the obvious, simple answer is that this liar, crook, philandering predator, is now also a convicted felon.
He's not innocent... so blame the process. He didn't win the election....blame the process.
One day you're gonna think for yourself, and realize you're just being used... like everyone else who's ever associated with him.
