I'm not sure my Granny could take the blowback from a Magnum..your's ?
We can all use specific circumstances to justify our points of view, that doesn't validate them. I will always come down on the side of personal responsibility and against delegating that responsibility to someone else.
I dig Kubrick, but this assumes defenseless victims, not people willing to take responsibility for their own safety.
But if the householders were likely to be armed or put up a defence, the naughty boys would just have arrived suitably equipped. Net outcome, the same but probably with more bodies.
Who is going to find out who burgled you if there are no Police (or at least try)? And knowing there are no Police, what is the incentive to crooks not to burgle you?
That might apply to you and your particular living situation, but it would not affect mine.
So what happens when you go away for a weeks holiday and come back to find your house has been burgled? Just askin'.
You had better not take my firewood. What's your point?
Who is going to find out who burgled you if there are no Police (or at least try)? And knowing there are no Police, what is the incentive to crooks not to burgle you?
It is not scary to me. I depend on myself for protection and I have been proven to be good at it. Thank god I live in Florida where I can protect my self and my property.
edit// Good Morning... forgot my manners
double edit/// hunting and firearm safety is taught in the schools here.
So what happens when you go away for a weeks holiday and come back to find your house has been burgled? Just askin'.
Updated: 2/4/2010 10:39:40 AM Posted: 2/3/2010 6:13:06 PM
It looks like a farming community with a population accustomed to using firearms. In my experience, most times if you wait for the police to take care of things, you've waited too long.
I grew up in a farming community with one Trooper for the entire county. We were just fine. So what is so scary?
It's quite a scary thing to think of living with no Police. The 'Ascent of Money' documentary talked about the lengths people had to go to to protect their property before the Police forces arrived. Basically the last thing the head of the house did at night was go round and lock every single door (inside as well as out) and shutter every window. If you got burgled, unless you caught them in the act, you had no comeback whatsoever. Just think about that. Scary.
It is not scary to me. I depend on myself for protection and I have been proven to be good at it. Thank god I live in Florida where I can protect my self and my property.
edit// Good Morning... forgot my manners
double edit/// hunting and firearm safety is taught in the schools here.
It's quite a scary thing to think of living with no Police. The 'Ascent of Money' documentary talked about the lengths people had to go to to protect their property before the Police forces arrived. Basically the last thing the head of the house did at night was go round and lock every single door (inside as well as out) and shutter every window. If you got burgled, unless you caught them in the act, you had no comeback whatsoever. Just think about that. Scary.
From a post of mine on April 2010 in the rightwingnutz thread:
Updated: 2/4/2010 10:39:40 AM Posted: 2/3/2010 6:13:06 PM
ASHTABULA COUNTY - At 720 square miles, Ashtabula is Ohio's biggest county. And starting today (Wednesday), the sheriff's department has all of one cruiser - with two deputies - responding to emergencies.
By THOMAS J. SHEERAN, Associated Press Writer Thomas J. Sheeran, Associated Press Writer - Fri Apr 9, 5:34 pm ET
CLEVELAND - One judge's solution for citizens feeling less secure because of budget cuts in an Ohio county: Carry a gun.
Judge Alfred Mackey of Ashtabula County Common Pleas Court advised residents Friday to be vigilant and arm themselves because the number of deputies has been cut about in half because of a tight budget. He also urged neighbors to organize anti-crime block watch groups.
"They have to be law-abiding, and if they are not familiar with firearms they need to take a safety course so they are not a threat to their family and friends and themselves," Mackey said Friday.
Mackey, whose comments were first broadcast Thursday by WKYC-TV in Cleveland, was expressing concerns with budget cuts that have trimmed the sheriff's department from 112 to 49 deputies in the county, which is Ohio's largest by land area.
Asked by WKYC how people should respond to the cuts and limited patrols, he said, "Arm themselves. Be very careful and just be vigilant because we're going to have to look after each other."
Andrew Pollis, who teaches law at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, saw the original TV clip of Mackey and said it was clear the judge wasn't advocating vigilantism.
Still, Pollis said, snippets of the comments could be misunderstood "as a license, if you will, to engage in conduct which we as a society collectively would not want."
In Akron, Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove, president-elect of the Ohio Common Pleas Judges Association, said she was surprised by Mackey's suggestion.
"That's scary to me," she said. "I don't know what the situation in Ashtabula County is. I personally would never - that's a personal choice in terms of carrying a weapon."
With deputies assigned to transport prisoners and serve warrants, only one radio car is assigned to patrol the county of 720 square miles, excluding municipalities with police departments. The sheriff's patrol area covers most of the county, the judge said Friday.
Mackey said the response to his comments has been positive in the mostly rural county between Cleveland and Erie, Pa.
"People in this county are hunters," said Mackey, who grew up on a farm with rifles and still owns firearms. "People have familiarity with firearms."
Messages seeking comment on the judge's remarks were left for Sheriff William Johnson and county commissioners.
Johnson has threatened to sue the commissioners to have some of his department's funding restored.
The jail in the county of about 100,000 people has held as many as 140 prisoners, but the number has dipped to about 30 because of reductions in the guard staff. About 700 people are on a waiting list to serve time in the jail.
Ohio has had a concealed handgun law for five years, and from October to December the Ashtabula County sheriff issued 54 licenses. Twenty-eight licenses were renewed.
Why would we not have security? Firefighters? EMTs?
They would simply be private contractual services rendered by professionals.
And since they would have to be competitive, we would be assured of the best possible service at the best possible price.
When you give a group of people the authority to initiate violence and the power to forcibly take your money and/or just acquired property without any accountability, especially nothing contractual, it tends to attract the bad guys and we see the results.
Our country is bankrupt, circling the drain, in debt/obligated over $1,000,000 per taxpayer and we're being treated like cattle.
We can (and deserve) better.
Regards
The point being: in the absence of Government is found the absence of law. No laws, no societal order...just endless chaos. Private companies would not flourish in such a dog eat dog world, hence no support services of any kind, private or public. Jungle law does not support notions such as organized endeavours for any public good. It's simply kill or be killed. Oddly it seems that anarchy has found some popular thought among those who might not think through what it would really mean. If you have laws and those who enforce them, you cannot have rampant anarchy. Plus, we have seen what anarchists think of society during G-8 Meetings and other like worldy gatherings. regards and a Happy New Year
legally that's how - your rep has sold out and passed legislation to allow them to do so.
remove the corrupt legislation and legislators and the banks can't force us us to do anything.
we bank or do business with anyone we like - at least someone who is honest.
regards
Private companies are really good at selling products, but dreadful at providing services - because the cost of providing an effective service can very rarely calculated in advance.
I tend to think that what we would be "assured of" is being preyed upon by venal privateers and/or unrestrained warlords - the ones with the most guns favorable laws would rule. You may maintain that it is something like that already but without a "government" of some sort, there would be no system of checks and balances. Anarchy is not exactly going swimmingly in Somalia - not that anything may.
Regards, and Happy New Year to you!
this is exactly what we have now, corporate raiders use congessional/political whores to pass legislation to rob us f'n blind - legally.
this has got to stop.
to add insult, we're forced to pay for it as well.
