A third person close to the re-election campaign said the present situation â the questions swirling around Bidenâs cognitive abilities, the dearth of fundraising and more polls showing Biden dropping in support and other candidates faring better â is unsustainable. This person also said they didnât see how the campaign could win.
You stand by false, disparaging statements you made about me and, upon being confronted about it, you seek to redirect the focus to my alleged reaction to disparaging comments made about you by others â the very same ones you falsely accused me of making. This is your modus operandi around here. Redirect the focus, move the goalposts. You, like Trump, never concede error. Never concede, period. Instead, go on the attack and portray yourself as the victim and then as the hero for valiantly standing up alone against these lockstep liberals unwilling to hear dissenting views.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jul 11, 2024 - 6:45am
kurtster wrote:
You know what I find fascinating ? That you have no problem with people using these terms in malicious and unwarranted ways, yet you have a problem when you are lumped in with these people.
You stand by false, disparaging statements you made about me and, upon being confronted about it, you seek to redirect the focus to my alleged reaction to disparaging comments made about you by others â the very same ones you falsely accused me of making. This is your modus operandi around here. Redirect the focus, move the goalposts. You, like Trump, never concede error. Never concede, period. Instead, go on the attack and portray yourself as the victim and then as the hero for valiantly standing up alone against these lockstep liberals unwilling to hear dissenting views.
You know what I find fascinating ? That you have no problem with people using these terms in malicious and unwarranted ways, yet you have a problem when you are lumped in with these people.
I do not know why you are getting so uptight about calling me any of those things. You would be in great company with all the other fine people here who have. Around here, calling people a racist, bigot or fascist is a casual pastime.
I never called you a racist, bigot, or fascist. I am not well known here for deleting my posts I did not refrain from answering whether Trump is a convicted felon out of fear of what others here would think of me. Your untruths continue to mount.
You know what I find fascinating ? That you have no problem with people using these terms in malicious and unwarranted ways, yet you have a problem when you are lumped in with these people.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jul 10, 2024 - 5:02pm
kurtster wrote:
I do not know why you are getting so uptight about calling me any of those things. You would be in great company with all the other fine people here who have.
Around here, calling people a racist, bigot or fascist is a casual pastime.
I never called you a racist, bigot, or fascist.
I am not well known here for deleting my posts
I did not refrain from answering whether Trump is a convicted felon out of fear of what others here would think of me.
I think Joe should step away on Sunday...or Monday... to steal the RNC thunder and flip all of the focus toward the Dems. Schedule an open debate for the Dems against Trump's acceptance speech.
Can you imagine the RNC: âSLEEPY JOE ETC RANT ETC RANT ETC!!!â
Next day headlines: âJoe is no longer the candidate and all your base are belong to us.â
GOP: âSomeone set us up the bomb!!!â
The quick answer I referenced was my second post stating a definition of conviction, not the one you have repeated. As stated, I was busy elsewhere at that time.
Do you also stand by your statement that I have a known history of deleting my posts?
Do you also stand by your statement that I — along with everyone else here — has called you a racist, bigot, fascist?
So you were busy. Maybe you should have waited to answer. No one forced you to answer anything.
steeler wrote:
I have deleted a handful over the 20 years I have been posting.
I never called you a racist, bigot, or fascist.
I do not know why you are getting so uptight about calling me any of those things. You would be in great company with all the other fine people here who have.
Around here, calling people a racist, bigot or fascist is a casual pastime.
I generally agree with George. The cause is lost, IMO long before the debate. The Democratic primary process is pure theater designed to make it seem like we chose who we chose so it's usually (Clinton v Obama is an exception) not a race. Can you imagine how it would wake up the country to realize there's a candidate who doesn't have "The Machine" doing all the work? I think it would really be something.
I mean, clearly non-GOP voters who plan to vote will vote for Biden if he's the candidate. No GOP voter will. But staying home is going to be a huge problem for Biden, a smaller problem for Trump and Trump will win by default. Get someone who can speak complete sentences and is likable and doesn't speak Wonkish, they have a chance to do something. IMO YMMV ETC
I agree.
Right now, we have 2 sides forged around Trump... Yeah or Nay. The result of the election comes down to a few hundred thousand people in 6 states who don't pay much attention, and haven't made up their minds.
Biden is the Nay option...but you and I would still get the numbers he's getting against Trump. What the Dems needs is some energy around an option. Build on the record of Biden... we didn't fall off a cliff, the economy is OK... and take a stand in the middle ground. The borders and immigration need fixing, the deficit needs to be addressed, people who are struggling need some help... but let's find space in the middle. Schools aren't for indoctrination... but they aren't for religion either (unless they are privately focused on that). Business needs to be monitored (see: AI), but innovation needs to be embraced (see: AI). We stand with our allies, and against terrorism. Big money can't be allowed to run the government...that sort of thing.
A debate among the candidates he mentioned, a contested convention with several rounds of voting... and people accepting their defeat and continuing to participate in the process... would be amazingly refreshing. I think the Dems would roll out of Chicago with a ton of energy, and Trump would look more angry, crazy, selfish, and anti-democratic than he already does.
I think Joe should step away on Sunday...or Monday... to steal the RNC thunder and flip all of the focus toward the Dems. Schedule an open debate for the Dems against Trump's acceptance speech. Play hardball!
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jul 10, 2024 - 2:34pm
kurtster wrote:
I stand by what I said.
The quick answer I referenced was my second post stating a definition of conviction, not the one you have repeated. As stated, I was busy elsewhere at that time.
Do you also stand by your statement that I have a known history of deleting my posts?
Do you also stand by your statement that I â along with everyone else here â has called you a racist, bigot, fascist?
Yeah, look what it took to get you to answer the question.
I answered quickly two days ago because I was out of town and did not have further time until yesterday. In the interim, you jumped to making yet another baseless accusation as to my thinking, motives, and conduct.
It was a yes or no question from the beginning. For your first quick response, you sure spent a lot of time equivocating about semantics instead of answering directly.
steeler wrote:
This debate is really about semantics.
The jury issued its verdict of guilty on all 34 felony counts.
The judge can accept or reject a jury verdict. The judge enters a judgment.
Trump has been granted leave to file a motion to set aside the jury verdict based on the Supreme Court immunity decision.
It is possible that the judge will set aside the jury’s verdict and enter a judgment of acquittal. The motion will be briefed. That is why the judge delayed sentencing.
George Clooney - Would
it be messy? Yes. Democracy is messy. But would it enliven our party
and wake up voters who, long before the June debate, had already checked
out? It sure would. The short ramp to Election Day would be a benefit
for us, not a danger.
I generally agree with George. The cause is lost, IMO long before the debate. The Democratic primary process is pure theater designed to make it seem like we chose who we chose so it's usually (Clinton v Obama is an exception) not a race. Can you imagine how it would wake up the country to realize there's a candidate who doesn't have "The Machine" doing all the work? I think it would really be something.
I mean, clearly non-GOP voters who plan to vote will vote for Biden if he's the candidate. No GOP voter will. But staying home is going to be a huge problem for Biden, a smaller problem for Trump and Trump will win by default. Get someone who can speak complete sentences and is likable and doesn't speak Wonkish, they have a chance to do something. IMO YMMV ETC
Just in case anyone wants to read this...and hasn't...
I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee.
By George Clooney - Mr. Clooney is an actor, director and film producer.
Iâm
a lifelong Democrat; I make no apologies for that. Iâm proud of what my
party represents and what it stands for. As part of my participation in
the democratic process and in support of my chosen candidate, I have
led some of the biggest fund-raisers in my partyâs history. Barack Obama
in 2012. Hillary Clinton in 2016. Joe Biden in 2020. Last month I co-hosted the single largest fund-raiser
supporting any Democratic candidate ever, for President Bidenâs
re-election. I say all of this only to express how much I believe in
this process and how profound I think this moment is.
I
love Joe Biden. As a senator. As a vice president and as president. I
consider him a friend, and I believe in him. Believe in his character.
Believe in his morals. In the last four years, heâs won many of the
battles heâs faced.
But the one battle
he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. Itâs
devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at
the fund-raiser was not the Joe âbig F-ing dealâ Biden of 2010. He wasnât even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.
Was
he tired? Yes. A cold? Maybe. But our party leaders need to stop
telling us that 51 million people didnât see what we just saw. Weâre all
so terrified by the prospect of a second Trump term that weâve opted to
ignore every warning sign. The George Stephanopoulos interview only
reinforced what we saw the week before. As Democrats, we collectively
hold our breath or turn down the volume whenever we see the president,
whom we respect, walk off Air Force One or walk back to a mic to answer
an unscripted question.
Is
it fair to point these things out? It has to be. This is about age.
Nothing more. But also nothing that can be reversed. We are not going to
win in November with this president. On top of that, we wonât win the
House, and weâre going to lose the Senate. This isnât only my opinion;
this is the opinion of every senator and Congress member and governor
who Iâve spoken with in private. Every single one, irrespective of what
he or she is saying publicly.
We love
to talk about how the Republican Party has ceded all power, and all of
the traits that made it so formidable with Ronald Reagan and George H.W.
Bush, to a single person who seeks to hold on to the presidency, and
yet most of our members of Congress are opting to wait and see if the
dam breaks. But the dam has broken. We can put our heads in the sand and
pray for a miracle in November, or we can speak the truth.
It
is disingenuous, at best, to argue that Democrats have already spoken
with their vote and therefore the nomination is settled and done, when
we just received new and upsetting information. We all think Republicans
should abandon their nominee now that heâs been convicted of 34
felonies. Thatâs new and upsetting information as well. Top Democrats â
Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi â and senators,
representatives and other candidates who face losing in November need to
ask this president to voluntarily step aside.
All
of the scary stories that weâre being told about what would happen next
are simply not true. In all likelihood, the money in the Biden-Harris
coffers could go to help elect the presidential ticket and other
Democrats. The new nominee wouldnât be left off ballots in Ohio. We
Democrats have a very exciting bench. We donât anoint leaders or fall
sway to a cult of personality; we vote for a president. We can easily
foresee a group of several strong Democrats stepping forward to stand
and tell us why theyâre best qualified to lead this country and take on
some of the deeply concerning trends weâre seeing from the revenge tour
that Donald Trump calls a presidential campaign.
Letâs
hear from Wes Moore and Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin
Newsom and Andy Beshear and J.B. Pritzker and others. Letâs agree that
the candidates not attack one another but, in the short time we have,
focus on what will make this country soar. Then we could go into the
Democratic convention next month and figure it out.
Would
it be messy? Yes. Democracy is messy. But would it enliven our party
and wake up voters who, long before the June debate, had already checked
out? It sure would. The short ramp to Election Day would be a benefit
for us, not a danger. It would give us the chance to showcase the future
without so much opposition research and negative campaigning that comes
with these ridiculously long and expensive election seasons. This can
be an exciting time for democracy, as weâve just seen with the 200 or so
French candidates who stepped aside and put their personal ambitions on
hold to save their democracy from the far right.
Joe Biden is a hero; he saved democracy in 2020. We need him to do it again in 2024.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jul 10, 2024 - 12:12pm
kurtster wrote:
Yeah, look what it took to get you to answer the question.
I answered quickly two days ago because I was out of town and did not have further time until yesterday. In the interim, you jumped to making yet another baseless accusation as to my thinking, motives, and conduct.
That social justice, human rights warrior wife of his is the perfect cover. She's probably an asset as well.
For Joe, this is the kind of backlash that he's not going to be able to ignore if others hop on board. Clooney is a rational, intelligent guy... (with great hair and a lullaby voice that...sorry)... and can afford to risk rejection, because unlike the dems... he's not running for office.
