nuggler wrote: 

I strongly support your not going back to the quack.

 justlistening wrote: 
Health insurance companies apparently only want to insure people who will pay them a bunch of money and never need insurance coverage. If I don't own a car, I don't need car insurance! This is one area of my life that is sucking big time. I have never been without insurance in my entire life, but now I am 59, and I am getting to the time where I might actually need it, and this is getting to be a difficult problem. I will have to try real hard to be healthy for at least another 6 years. Oh, and my unemployment got cut off again, so I don't have any $$$ to pay for it anyway.

 hippiechick wrote: 

I agree about Lipitor and the liver.  Many take it and are fine - but still - it can be toxic - especially if you like some wine now and then!

As far as the insurance goes - I think it's the insurance industries version of shrinkage.  Like everyone else they are feeling the effects of the economy - less people working - less premiums.

They are looking for the LOWEST risk (read young) healthiest people to pay premiums - this way they get to keep more.  The slightest indication of a problem and it's either high rates or denial.

If I wasn't on a group plan I would probably encounter the same problem - except for rules not allowing denial of coverage if you've had previous.

Perhaps you could find a group plan somehow.....

 Beaker wrote:

Uhh... I must have missed the part where the ADL was mentioned in the article you linked. 

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What the fuck is wrong with you. Just click the link or is that too complicated for you...?  DUH !  

 justlistening wrote: 
I was just turned down for insurance because my cholesterol # is 6. No medical history, no overweight, no surgeries, no health issues, just that. 200 used to be totally acceptable, but no longer. There has been no proof that a lower cholesterol means good health, or that heart attacks will be prevented. Big Pharma and the medical associations are working together to sell as much lipitor as possible. And lipitor can do very serious damage to your liver. This whole thing has gotten so out of hand.

 dmax wrote: 

I too am gentically predisposed to high cholesterol.  I lost 15 pounds on South Beach - 10 in the first 2 weeks - and have kept it off for 6 years.  I also diet and exercise - lifting and running about 15 miles a week.  It brought my numbers from 230 down to 200 (still not great).  Triglycerides are right below the cutoff for being considered bad.  The bad cholesterol is also right on the cutoff.

Before the diet/exercise my doctor suggested Lipitor - but now he's backed off and leaving the option open.  I don't have the big-pharma conspiracy theory, but I don't want the potential side effects.  I know the alternatvie could be worse.

I think family history of heart disease should be considered too.  No one in the family has had any serious heart trouble - immediate as well as 11 Aunts and Uncles - nor my cousins.  Also many in their mid 80s now with some in their 90s.

My Mom is 80 and her numbers are better but still high - even with meds.  So I guess it's a big picture thing.

 dmax wrote: 
I have dropped it into the norm before without chemicals. I'm 5 days into my clean-up. I'll report back in a month, if I even bother to go back to the quack. 90% of the 'ailments' & 'dis-eases' that millions are doping themselves up for can be taken care of by simple lifestyle & state-of-mind changes.

 nuggler wrote: 

So your genetics are certainly doing their damnedest to kill you, and you think that Big Pharma is trying to what to do by selling you a medicine that helps lower your cholersterol?

No argument about dietary control if it works, of course.

 Beaker wrote:
Kookery sites in your eyes because they're outside the mainstream box & pushing the envelope on all levels....and because the ADL says so. Uh huh. Let's not forget the ADL now.

It is actually quite painful to watch you so willingly co-operate with your abusers as if that was all you ever wanted.

 hippiechick wrote: 
Because of my Gilberts Syndrome mine is high even after several years on statins which almost killed me.

 beamends wrote: 
Yup! Mine is 6. High good as well as high bad. So I got turned down for insurance. Never had an illness or a surgery.

 hippiechick wrote: 
Just had mine taken before my contract ran out. Cholesterol & triglycerides sky high as I knew they would be (genetics). Refused drugs & went on South Beach diet instead. Four days into it but I know I can break it without funding big-pharma eugenic solution. Screw 'em.

 hippiechick wrote: 
Me and 'Er Indoors went for our annual health check last week. Both our cholesterol was a tad high at just over 5. When explaining that it was the trend he was more interested in that the number per se ( we are both fine) he observed that many US insurers now quote 4.0 as 'normal', and and quipped 'God alone knows how they expect to achieve that, even on a full quota of pills it would nigh on impossible for most people. Still, I expect they'll find it handy for getting out of paying claims'.

 nuggler wrote: 
I just went a round with my doctor, and have been denied insurance, because they consider my cholesterol to be high, even though there is no proof that taking statin drugs improve your health, or that a lower cholesterol level produces a healthier human.

 nuggler wrote: 
I been saying this for years in these forums & have been intensely ridiculed for doing so. But the nature of truth is that it shall unveil itself one way or another, no matter how uncomfortable that truth is to so many.

America’s mental illness epidemic: It turns out that the drugs are the problem

By Gary G. Kohls, MD

Tens of millions of innocent, unsuspecting Americans, who are mired deeply in the mental “health” system, have actually been made crazy by the use of or the withdrawal from commonly-prescribed, brain-altering, brain-disabling, indeed brain-damaging psychiatric drugs that have been, for many decades, cavalierly handed out like candy — often in untested and therefore unapproved combinations of drugs — to trusting and unaware patients by equally unaware but well-intentioned physicians who have been under the mesmerizing influence of slick and obscenely profitable psychopharmaceutical drug companies, a.k.a. BigPharma.

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 DaveInVA wrote: 
Hmmm, could be apnea. His passages always sounds blocked, and he does snore sometimes.

Destroying the nervous system & intimate soul/spirit structure of our children is how millions of dead-loss parents are duped into attacking & destroying their own offspring. How many here got duped? I'll tell you now its not just one or two. Through our voluntary ignorance & addiction to deception we ourselves are duped into becoming enemies of humanity. Not me though.

Nearly One Million Children in U.S. Potentially Misdiagnosed With ADHD, Study Finds

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"Many ADHD diagnoses may be driven by teachers' perceptions of poor behavior among the youngest children in a kindergarten classroom," he said. "But these 'symptoms' may merely reflect emotional or intellectual immaturity among the youngest students."
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More truthfully it reflects the emotional immaturity & failed educational grasp of materialistic, clueless & impatient teachers hopped up on soul cauterizing anti-depressants themselves. Most importantly it represents big $$$ for the pharma-corps & keeps the masses dumbed down & not asking the questions they should be asking, keeps them addicted to deception.

 hippiechick wrote: 
I had all that except the puking and it was from Sleep Apnea. I was getting the headaches and sweats from the lack of oxygen during times I quit breathing. I had to go to a sleep study because my sleeping got so bad. They want me to use a machine but I have to pay about $400 of it and I can't afford it yet.

For the third time in the time I have lived with J (a little over a year), he has awakened in the middle of the night with a bad headache, and had to throw up, then he had cold/hot sweats. This lasts only about 1/2 hr for the whole ordeal.

Has anyone else ever experienced anything like this? Do you know what it's from? From what I have googled, it could be just about anything.

Just found out from my Oncologist that I have a condition called "Gilberts Syndrome". This should have been caught a long time ago but turns out the all-in-one table top analyzers many Doc offices use aren't accurate enough to detect it. Fortunately its not dangerous and doesn't cause any life changing problems. It does explain though why I have always had weird drug sensitivities. If a drug says 1% of people that take this will have adverse reactions I am always one of that 1%. Also explains why my cholesterol has always been sky high and it doesn't come down even with statin drugs. That and the statin based drugs make me deathly ill. This syndrome is usually inherited and my Dad also had the same problems but was never diagnosed with it. This syndrome is caused by a faulty gene that causes the liver to not be able tp process bilirubin properly so the amount of bilirubin in the blood is higher than normal. Bilirubin is the process that removes dead red blood cells to be removed by the liver. It can cause Jaundice, fatigue, abdominal pains etc.   One the plus side it keeps bad cholesterol in suspension and helps keep it from attaching and causing build up (CAD). Explains why no heart problems on my Dads side of the family. Just cancer instead. This also causes cholesterol readings to be way high and makes them meaningless. I just find it amazing that it took until being in my 50's before any Doc figured it out....