People act like there has to be two or more sides to an issue and that both/all are to be accepted as true. But, there are things that just are. The earth is round. It revolves around the sun. Kajillions of scientific measurements and observations have proved it. Tolerating a flat earther in the name of hearing all sides is ludicrous - but the earther will cry âwhat about free speech? What about an open mind?â
The answer is: there was an open mind to your contention, but your contention has been objectively, demonstrably been proved wrong. It was a theory, a conjecture, and idea that is not in the real world. You can keep saying âwhat ifâ but that doesnât make it real or logical. Itâs just wasting everyoneâs time and is a distraction from dealing with the reality we have.
Running something like that off isnât a monolithic forum/board/conversation. Itâs refusing to tolerate wrongness any longer. We have better things to do.
Well if he was posting his material to bring other people's thinking into view, then y'all gave him a bum rap.
I used to watch the 700 Club just to be aware and up to date on what those people were thinking. Not because I agree with them, and I basically did not, but because I wanted to hear them first hand and figure out for myself what they were about and not have some pundit tell me what to think about their POV. I try to do that with other groups, too. You / we need to know what other's are thinking even if we disagree just to step away from our own little echo chambers and news feeds for a different reference point that does have an impact on events regardless of how we feel about the subject matter. Intellectual isolation is never a good thing.
Y'all shot the messenger and missed the message, as usually happens around here.
Yep, you saw a sheep. I saw a wolf.
and btw. I didn't ask him to shut up or leave. I just called him as I saw him.
Yep, if anyone said anything that got up his nose, it was me and I stand by my comments too. When someone keeps pushing material sourced from Russian troll factories I am forced to draw the conclusion that they are active instruments of that very same disinformation campaign, no matter how much they try to dress themselves up as free and independent thinkers with a liberal perspective. They're not.
Wolves in sheep's clothing I think is the phrase that fits.
Well if he was posting his material to bring other people's thinking into view, then y'all gave him a bum rap.
I used to watch the 700 Club just to be aware and up to date on what those people were thinking. Not because I agree with them, and I basically did not, but because I wanted to hear them first hand and figure out for myself what they were about and not have some pundit tell me what to think about their POV. I try to do that with other groups, too. You / we need to know what other's are thinking even if we disagree just to step away from our own little echo chambers and news feeds for a different reference point that does have an impact on events regardless of how we feel about the subject matter. Intellectual isolation is never a good thing.
Y'all shot the messenger and missed the message, as usually happens around here.
Yeah ? I guess it depends on where you sit. The echo in here gets overwhelming at times. But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things. .
I stand by my comments to Ivanhoe today and reject your charge that my intent was to drive him off.
Yep, if anyone said anything that got up his nose, it was me and I stand by my comments too. When someone keeps pushing material sourced from Russian troll factories I am forced to draw the conclusion that they are active instruments of that very same disinformation campaign, no matter how much they try to dress themselves up as free and independent thinkers with a liberal perspective. They're not.
Wolves in sheep's clothing I think is the phrase that fits.
It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here.
It is ok. You guys all are ok. Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here. That's it for me. Hey guys...
Here again you have dismissed contrasting views of others as a starting point while inexplicably stating the opposite to be the case. This forum is not a monolith.
Yeah ? I guess it depends on where you sit. The echo in here gets overwhelming at times.
But no worries, Y'all have successfully driven out yet another who has differing opinions and views of things.
It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Mar 27, 2022 - 1:22pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here.
That's it for me. Hey guys...
Here again you have dismissed contrasting views of others as a starting point while inexplicably stating the opposite to be the case. This forum is not a monolith.
Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint.
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.
Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.
I'm happy to say that any narrative on a Russian propaganda site gets an "auto-cancel" from me. Even if that narrative would lean a little pro-NATO. Just like I would apply an auto-cancel to anything anyone might send me on a site that is affiliated with White Supremacy and/or Hate Groups. Be forewarned Flat Earthers... same goes for you guys as well.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Mar 27, 2022 - 1:03pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint.
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.
Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.
It seems to me that you are the one dismissing other ânarrativesâ as âpropaganda.â
Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint.
This does not make the world a better place, but the opposite.
Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.
And - as seems obvious at this point - no one in this forum seems at all willing to buy your "alternative narratives", why are you still here? Why not abandon us closed-minded fools to our own devices and take your valuable perspectives elsewhere, where they might be better received?
The âMSMâ reporting on the war in Ukraine is âpropagandaâ and the analysis of the Strategic Culture Foundation is an âalternative viewâ and, presumably, the âtruth.â Got it.
Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint.
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.
Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.
You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck.
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.
No you didn't. Where was that stated?
Unless you have made that statement in a past post. Sorry, I don't necessarily back-scroll to try and catch up on every post made.
FYI, I can make as long as a WikiPost as I like comrade. Here in America and on RP we have that right.
So... let me get this straight... you answer to MSM "propaganda" is Russian propaganda? If you are really ambitious maybe you can locate and translate some Chinese propaganda articles while you are at it. Besides I don't even know what MSM "propaganda" you have an objection with that you felt you needed to counter it with Russian propaganda. You want to sell the "Putin was pushed/justified into what he is doing" argument... sorry I'm not buying.
Yes, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth which is why Putin has done his best to kill off "figuratively and literally" those sources that would seek to expose it. Your source: Strategic Culture Foundation connected (as it is) to Russian propaganda isn't interested in truth. Seems that you're in need of a "strategic" rethinking of your geo-political views.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Mar 27, 2022 - 12:49pm
Ivanhoe wrote:
You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck.
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.
The âMSMâ reporting on the war in Ukraine is âpropagandaâ and the analysis of the Strategic Culture Foundation is an âalternative viewâ and, presumably, the âtruth.â Got it.
