What do you call 51 government spooks led by the soon to be Secretary of State (his reward) in creating a letter that is an outright lie in order to kill an inconvenient news story for the sole purpose of swinging an election in their desired direction ? Oh, that's right ! It is just a pure coincidence. Maybe if it was 52 instead of just 51, then it crosses the threshold of a conspiracy or maybe something worse. But I see your point. ... 51 is just not enough to pass the sniff test.
I'm not paying much if any attention to Trump right now. Much too soon to waste time on that. I'm watching Biden, thank you.
Since you brought up January 6, I'll say that what we are learning about the deep state CIA driven letter that called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation designed to protect and elect Biden, that letter makes January 6 look like January 5. The letter cobbled together in record time for Biden to cite in the debate with Trump. That is how the election was rigged and stolen. And also proves the existence of the deep state as far as I am concerned.
You better lighten up on the Q punch... it's starting to do permanent damage. Hillary didn't run around saying Trump wasn't elected because Comey release a BS memo, she said Trump won because the votes were counted and he had more where they needed to be. Fast forward 6 years, and you're whining about a rigged and stolen election based on some NY Times "deep state" research that includes the Russians working AGAINST Trump? Donnie all but got down and blew Putin in Helsinki, and still won't say a bad word about him. If the Russians were working against him...why isn't he angry? No nicknames to Vlad? The deep state is anyone doing their job that has facts you don't like. Sure, there are people who hate Trump...and there are people who hate Biden. But there isn't a small group of leaders commanding the troops to manage elections. You don't want to waste time on Trump....because all of your time is "invested" learning about "facts" found on a laptop the Republicans have had in their possession for 2 years. Keep up the good work, and let us know when they press charges, indict him, find out about his missing child support, etc.
You better start paying attention to something else besides Trump. Trump is the shiny object being waved in front of your face so you don't look (won't look) at anything else.
It is working very well based upon your reactions.
Sorry, I don't do Q. The only time I see anything about Q is when someone like you brings it up on these boards.
What do you call 51 government spooks led by the soon to be Secretary of State (his reward) in creating a letter that is an outright lie in order to kill an inconvenient news story for the sole purpose of swinging an election in their desired direction ? Oh, that's right ! It is just a pure coincidence. Maybe if it was 52 instead of just 51, then it crosses the threshold of a conspiracy or maybe something worse. But I see your point. After all, you are the numbers guy around here. 51 is just not enough to pass the sniff test.
I'm not paying much if any attention to Trump right now. Much too soon to waste time on that. I'm watching Biden, thank you.
Since
you brought up January 6, I'll say that what we are learning about the
deep state CIA driven letter that called Hunter's laptop Russian
disinformation designed to protect and elect Biden, that letter makes
January 6 look like January 5. The letter cobbled together in record
time for Biden to cite in the debate with Trump. That is how the
election was rigged and stolen. And also proves the existence of the
deep state as far as I am concerned.
You better lighten up on the Q punch... it's starting to do permanent damage.
Hillary didn't run around saying Trump wasn't elected because Comey release a BS memo, she said Trump won because the votes were counted and he had more where they needed to be. Fast forward 6 years, and you're whining about a rigged and stolen election based on some NY Times "deep state" research that includes the Russians working AGAINST Trump? Donnie all but got down and blew Putin in Helsinki, and still won't say a bad word about him. If the Russians were working against him...why isn't he angry? No nicknames to Vlad?
The deep state is anyone doing their job that has facts you don't like. Sure, there are people who hate Trump...and there are people who hate Biden. But there isn't a small group of leaders commanding the troops to manage elections.
You don't want to waste time on Trump....because all of your time is "invested" learning about "facts" found on a laptop the Republicans have had in their possession for 2 years. Keep up the good work, and let us know when they press charges, indict him, find out about his missing child support, etc.
Trump was separating children from adults as the law required. That is what I mean about enforcing laws so that we can determine good ones from bad ones and change the bad ones, rather than just ignore them when it is expedient. So 85,000 missing children doesn't upset you much ? Just the 10,000 Trump is responsible for. Ok.
Do you intentionally ignore what's written, or do you just want to re-state your propaganda? Your boy Donnie double-down LAST NIGHT on the potential to reinstate HISpolicy... and he tells you that he was separating families.
But there was at least one thing he said during the CNN Town Hall on Wednesday evening that was less predictable: he refused to rule out reimplementing family separations at the southern border if elected president again. “When you have that policy, people don’t come,” Trump told moderator Kaitlan Collins. “If a family hears that they’re going to be separated—they love their family—they don’t come. I know it sounds harsh.”
Collins pressed Trump further about whether that meant he would reinstate the policy if he won a second term. “We have to save our country,” he told her. “When you say to a family that if you come we’re going to break you up, they don’t come.”
Trump’s family separations policy barely lasted a matter of months. It was widely castigated as perhaps the most incendiary and cruel action taken by his administration. Trump formally adopted the measure in April 2018, saying it would deter illegal immigration. But after international condemnation and vehement domestic backlash, the president signed an executive order in June 2018 ending family separations.
This does not happen today. Families are not separated. Enforcing the laws? If you create the law then you can't use the "I'm just following the rules" excuse. If you're not listening to him, how can you continue to support his positions...including from last night... - January 6 was a beautiful day, and almost everyone should be pardoned - Republicans shouldn't raise the debt ceiling...even though it was raised 3 times in 4 years. We should default on debt. You want to complain about the price of oil now... - He won't support Ukraine... but he can end the war in a day. - The 2020 election was rigged. - Sexual assault is OK... because it's been happening forever. As for the shell companies... show me the money, and if it's found to be illegal, he should be prosecuted. You should try googling Trump shell companies... I'm not going to count them, but there are a lot. Don't forget, you're accusing Joe of doing something unproven, in support of a guy who ran a company CONVICTED of criminal fraud last year. I will again say... DHS needs to handle minors safely. We wouldn't have this problem if Trump delivered on what he promised... a wall paid for by Mexico.
I'm not paying much if any attention to Trump right now. Much too soon to waste time on that. I'm watching Biden, thank you.
Since you brought up January 6, I'll say that what we are learning about the deep state CIA driven letter that called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation designed to protect and elect Biden, that letter makes January 6 look like January 5. The letter cobbled together in record time for Biden to cite in the debate with Trump. That is how the election was rigged and stolen. And also proves the existence of the deep state as far as I am concerned.
Trump was separating children from adults as the law required. That is what I mean about enforcing laws so that we can determine good ones from bad ones and change the bad ones, rather than just ignore them when it is expedient. So 85,000 missing children doesn't upset you much ? Just the 10,000 Trump is responsible for. Ok.
Do you intentionally ignore what's written, or do you just want to re-state your propaganda?
Your boy Donnie double-down LAST NIGHT on the potential to reinstate HIS policy... and he tells you that he was separating families.
But there was at least one thing he said during the CNN Town Hall on Wednesday evening that was less predictable: he refused to rule out reimplementing family separations at the southern border if elected president again. âWhen you have that policy, people donât come,â Trump told moderator Kaitlan Collins. âIf a family hears that theyâre going to be separatedâthey love their familyâthey donât come. I know it sounds harsh.â
Collins pressed Trump further about whether that meant he would reinstate the policy if he won a second term. âWe have to save our country,â he told her. âWhen you say to a family that if you come weâre going to break you up, they donât come.â
Trumpâs family separations policy barely lasted a matter of months. It was widely castigated as perhaps the most incendiary and cruel action taken by his administration. Trump formally adopted the measure in April 2018, saying it would deter illegal immigration. But after international condemnation and vehement domestic backlash, the president signed an executive order in June 2018 ending family separations.
This does not happen today. Families are not separated. Enforcing the laws? If you create the law then you can't use the "I'm just following the rules" excuse.
If you're not listening to him, how can you continue to support his positions...including from last night...
- January 6 was a beautiful day, and almost everyone should be pardoned
- Republicans shouldn't raise the debt ceiling...even though it was raised 3 times in 4 years. We should default on debt. You want to complain about the price of oil now...
- He won't support Ukraine... but he can end the war in a day.
- The 2020 election was rigged.
- Sexual assault is OK... because it's been happening forever.
As for the shell companies... show me the money, and if it's found to be illegal, he should be prosecuted. You should try googling Trump shell companies... I'm not going to count them, but there are a lot. Don't forget, you're accusing Joe of doing something unproven, in support of a guy who ran a company CONVICTED of criminal fraud last year.
I will again say... DHS needs to handle minors safely. We wouldn't have this problem if Trump delivered on what he promised... a wall paid for by Mexico.
Here's some red meat for all of you Trump whataboutism-ists who like to compare Trump to Biden in Biden's defense. You all went crazy when Trump "lost" 10,000 UAC's. Remember that ? Children in cages ? Well it's radio silence over Biden losing 85,000 UAC's. The news is well over a month old now. So go ahead and defend Biden by comparing him with Trump over this. And just incase no one believes me or your news feed doesn't speak of it ... Hearing Wrap Up: ORR Director Fails to Answer Questions About 85,000 Lost Unaccompanied Alien Children, Flawed Vetting of Sponsors, and More
“Since President Biden has been in office, there have been over 4.8 million migrant encounters at the Southwest border, not including the roughly 1.3 million gotaways who evaded law enforcement completely and entered our country undetected. This unprecedented national security and humanitarian crisis has overwhelmed federal officials and endangered the well-being of unaccompanied and migrant children as a result,” Rep. Jake LaTurner (R-Kan.) said during the hearing.
In Fiscal Year 2022, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) referred nearly 129,000 UAC to HHS compared to roughly 15,000 in Fiscal Year 2020
I think everyone would agree that DHS has to be able to answer questions about UAC's, but your whataboutism, as usual, compares fact sets that are different. The issue most had wasn't Trump's treatment of UAC's, it was his "zero-tolerance" policy of family separation, created as a threat to deter families from crossing the border. Trump was creating UAC's, jailing the parents, and then losing the connections between the kids he was taking away and those he was throwing in jail and then deporting. As Jeff Sessions said in 2018 when the policy was created "If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally."
Your comments merely reinforce your willingness to A) ignore details and B) use every opportunity to suggest a double standard that usually doesn't exist. Border security is a problem, but an administrator not being able to answer specific questions during a hearing doesn't equate to a president taking kids from their parents, putting the parents on a plane, and not knowing whose kids they are.
Trump was separating children from adults as the law required. That is what I mean about enforcing laws so that we can determine good ones from bad ones and change the bad ones, rather than just ignore them when it is expedient. So 85,000 missing children doesn't upset you much ? Just the 10,000 Trump is responsible for. Ok.
. So did you hear the one where the Biden family has around 20 LLC's ? No ? Don't worry few have. Problem is that no one knows or can say just exactly what these companies actually do. Other than move money around to various family members.
Don't worry your little head about any of this stuff. No need to google it. It's all just more Russian disinformation.
Here's some red meat for all of you Trump whataboutism-ists who like to compare Trump to Biden in Biden's defense.
You all went crazy when Trump "lost" 10,000 UAC's. Remember that ? Children in cages ?
Well it's radio silence over Biden losing 85,000 UAC's. The news is well over a month old now. So go ahead and defend Biden by comparing him with Trump over this.
And just incase no one believes me or your news feed doesn't speak of it ...
âSince President Biden has been in office, there have been over 4.8 million migrant encounters at the Southwest border, not including the roughly 1.3 million gotaways who evaded law enforcement completely and entered our country undetected. This unprecedented national security and humanitarian crisis has overwhelmed federal officials and endangered the well-being of unaccompanied and migrant children as a result,â Rep. Jake LaTurner (R-Kan.) said during the hearing.
In Fiscal Year 2022, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) referred nearly 129,000 UAC to HHS compared to roughly 15,000 in Fiscal Year 2020
I think everyone would agree that DHS has to be able to answer questions about UAC's, but your whataboutism, as usual, compares fact sets that are different.
The issue most had wasn't Trump's treatment of UAC's, it was his "zero-tolerance" policy of family separation, created as a threat to deter families from crossing the border. Trump was creating UAC's, jailing the parents, and then losing the connections between the kids he was taking away and those he was throwing in jail and then deporting. As Jeff Sessions said in 2018 when the policy was created "If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally."
Your comments merely reinforce your willingness to A) ignore details and B) use every opportunity to suggest a double standard that usually doesn't exist. Border security is a problem, but an administrator not being able to answer specific questions during a hearing doesn't equate to a president taking kids from their parents, putting the parents on a plane, and not knowing whose kids they are.
Here's some red meat for all of you Trump whataboutism-ists who like to compare Trump to Biden in Biden's defense.
You all went crazy when Trump "lost" 10,000 UAC's. Remember that ? Children in cages ?
Well it's radio silence over Biden losing 85,000 UAC's. The news is well over a month old now. So go ahead and defend Biden by comparing him with Trump over this.
And just incase no one believes me or your news feed doesn't speak of it ...
“Since President Biden has been in office, there have been over 4.8 million migrant encounters at the Southwest border, not including the roughly 1.3 million gotaways who evaded law enforcement completely and entered our country undetected. This unprecedented national security and humanitarian crisis has overwhelmed federal officials and endangered the well-being of unaccompanied and migrant children as a result,” Rep. Jake LaTurner (R-Kan.) said during the hearing.
In Fiscal Year 2022, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) referred nearly 129,000 UAC to HHS compared to roughly 15,000 in Fiscal Year 2020.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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May 5, 2023 - 6:56pm
kcar wrote:
Quick response: Biden's attorneys alerted the National Archive and Record Administration (NARA) and the DOJ when they discovered classified materials. They cooperated at all times with both organizations and the FBI. Trump had to be notified about the possibility of classified documents in his possession and dragged his feet for months about returning them. The DOJ had the FBI conduct a search of Trump's property when it determined that Trump likely still had classified documentsâwhich he did, including ones with the most sensitive classifications.
Assertions that Trump has fully cooperated defy credibility. Fast forward to one set of irrefutable and damning facts: Trump was issued a grand jury subpoena for documents in spring of 2022. After turning over documents in response to that subpoena, Trumpâs attorneys attested in June that a due diligence search had been done for any other documents responsive to the subpoena and none had been found. Then the execution of the search warrant at MAL proved that all documents responsive to the subpoena had not been turned over. Attesting that you have done a due diligence search if you have not done one is a big deal. The story from Trumpâs side had been that the documents all were in a storage area. If true, it calls into serious question how anyone conducting a due diligence search could have missed documents that were responsive to the subpoena, Someone is lying. Someone is obstructing justice.
Quick response: Biden's attorneys alerted the National Archive and Record Administration (NARA) and the DOJ when they discovered classified materials. They cooperated at all times with both organizations and the FBI. Trump had to be notified about the possibility of classified documents in his possession and dragged his feet for months about returning them. The DOJ had the FBI conduct a search of Trump's property when it determined that Trump likely still had classified documents—which he did, including ones with the most sensitive classifications.
It's not clear to me, after skimming a few news articles, that Biden mishandled classified documents when he was a Senator. Apparently some documents were generated and/or classified during Biden's time as Senator, but it's not clear to me that he or his aides took the classified documents out of their proper storage facility and placed them on Biden's property or non-secure places of business. Perhaps you can point me to a reliable news article that provides evidence showing that Biden or aides mishandled the documents when he was a Senator.
The hotair.com link that you provided—which I clicked on reluctantly, because you have provided bad links in the past, including one which crashed the device I was using to read the piece—is not a news story. The hotair.com just provides some Twitter posts with two late-January 2023 comments from two Senators, although the posts provide no context. Neither the posts nor the Senators' comments within them provide evidence that Biden mishandled the documents when he was Senator, as your posts suggest.
Kurt, you wrote
"Disclaimer as you as so effing fussy about sources, the content is the content regardless of who is the messenger. This has been buried real deep to get it out of the conversation. And as you can see this is not breaking news by the dates."
What content? See my comment above. And you're right, it's not breaking news: your Twitter posts, again, are from January 2023. I'm sure you could find more up-to-date reporting on the matter. As for "buried real deep": Biden's retention of documents was front-page news and the lead story on TV news for a while. AG Garland appointed special prosecutor Robert Hur to look into the matter. Explain to me how the story's been buried.
And yes, Kurt, the messenger does matter. A conservative blogger doesn't cut it if you're looking for credibility.
As for the bit about the FBI whistleblower form discussing a "criminal scheme" involving Joe Biden—according to the excerpt you provided, the monies wired from a Chinese company went to "European Energy and Infrastructure Group in Abu Dhabi, a company associated with James Gilliar, another business partner to Hunter Biden." The excerpt provides no evidence that the money from that wired amount went from EEIG to "Biden family members." IIRC Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's brother were involved in some proposed oil exploration deal in China that never got off the ground.
And the "10 held by H for the big guy?": that appeared in one email about a proposed split of profits in a deal that never went through.
We've been over this before. Stop recycling refuted BS.
And while you're at it: try to get up to speed on Trump's mishandling of hundreds of classified documents and his refusal to hand them over and his attempt to conceal those documents from the federal government. Also read up on the many, many millions of dollars Trump and his family made while he was POTUS. And THEN you can read up on his attempt to steal the 2020 election in GA and elsewhere.
Yeah, a lot of articles with otherwise useful info, often have sensationalistic/misleading headlines. I'm not saying that the White House didn't influence these changes (which were written in January), but still, FHFA is not a part of the Executive Office of The President - same as the FCC, NASA, NTSB, USPS, etc. To call it "The Biden Administration's FHFA" (as the article does) is inaccurate and misleading. Of course those agencies can be "influenced" by Presidents, and probably have been over the years, or they can file Executive Orders for some of them.
It seems that would be a naive view...that an admin doesnt push agencies to carry out its agenda.
And simply reviewing the data on the new fees substantiates the headline.
Yeah, a lot of articles with otherwise useful info, often have sensationalistic/misleading headlines. I'm not saying that the White House didn't influence these changes (which were written in January), but still, FHFA is not a part of the Executive Office of The President - same as the FCC, NASA, NTSB, USPS, etc. To call it "The Biden Administration's FHFA" (as the article does) is inaccurate and misleading. Of course those agencies can be "influenced" by Presidents, and probably have been over the years, or they can file Executive Orders for some of them.
That is essentially a click-bait, opinion piece - the headline should indicate that. Of course Republicans can be right sometimes but the FHFA is still an independent federal agency, and the White House does not direct actions of independent agencies. Perhaps he, or someone in his cabinet may have suggested or pushed for the changes, though FHFA denies that (so far).
I guess we'll find out more in the coming weeks.
It seems that would be a naive view...that an admin doesnt push agencies to carry out its agenda.
And simply reviewing the data on the new fees substantiates the headline.
That is essentially a click-bait, opinion piece - the headline should indicate that. Of course Republicans can be right sometimes but the FHFA is still an independent federal agency, and the White House does not direct actions of independent agencies. Perhaps he, or someone in his cabinet may have suggested or pushed for the changes, though FHFA denies that (so far).
I guess we'll find out more in the coming weeks.
That is essentially a click-bait, opinion piece - the headline should indicate that. Of course Republicans can be right sometimes but the FHFA is still an independent federal agency, and the White House does not direct actions of independent agencies. Perhaps he, or someone in his cabinet may have suggested or pushed for the changes, though FHFA denies that (so far).
I guess we'll find out more in the coming weeks.
